<!--QuoteBegin-Honsol+May 24 2007, 04:27 PM-->QUOTE(Honsol @ May 24 2007, 04:27 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->what is your opinion about this book about tibetan buddhism?
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
[christoterrorist allegations against Buddhism and Tibetan Buddhism in particular]
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The page at link http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm starts with:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Shadow of the Dalai Lama â Contents
Victor & Victoria Trimondi<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The Trimondis made a 'name' for themselves by absurdly claiming that Hinduism and Buddhism 'inspired Hitler'. These two writers are christians who try to shift the blame for Nazism, the Holocaust and the racism based on the imaginary Oryans off from christianity by trying to implicate utterly uninvolved religions.
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_IV.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Book Tries to Link Hitler with Buddhism and Hinduism</b>
Hamburg, Germany, September 19, 2002: Adolf Hitler was fascinated with Buddhism and Hinduism, and many of his henchmen viewed him as a Krishna-like divine warrior who would cleanse the Earth of "vermin" in a baptism of fire, according to a headline-making new book. <b>The book Hitler-Buddha-Krishna is by a controversial Austrian husband-and-wife team of authors</b> who have generated publicity in Europe with a number of books exploring what they call the "violence- prone" side of Buddhism and Hinduism.
It was this side of those Eastern philosophies - the image of the vengeful demigod annihilating enemies without mercy to create a new earthly order - which fascinated Hitler as a young man and which continues to fascinate impressionable young neo-Nazis, say the authors. In fact, there is little new in the book by <b>Herbert and Mariana Roettgen,</b> according to this article in the German press, who write under the <b>pseudonym Victor and Victoria Trimondi.</b>
Beyond linking the swastika with Hindu symbolism, the authors fail to prove that Hitler himself actually had more than a brief flirtation with Eastern philosophy in pre-World War I Vienna. But this latest book has nonetheless drawn press attention in Austria and Germany, with more- or-less serious interviews appearing under invariably sensationalist photos of Hitler superimposed over the Buddha. "Hitler was a Buddhist" screamed a typical headline in Bild, Europe's biggest tabloid.
(source: Deutsche Presse-Agentur - For more on Hitler, please refer to Free thought Today and nobeliefs.com and Freethought.com).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now onto the person these liars-for-gawd are foolishly criticising:
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Nevertheless, <b>Thurman</b> presumes to declare them expressions of traditional Tibetâs âinner modernityâ, which is ultimately superior to Europeâs âouter modernityâ: âAs Europe was pushing away the Pope, the Church, and the enchantment of everyday life, Tibet was turning over the reins of its country to a new kind of government, which cannot properly be called âtheocraticâ, since the Tibetans do not believe in an omnipotent God, but which can be called âBuddhocraticââ (Thurman 1998, p. 248). This form of government is supposed to guide our future. At the Tibet conference in Bonn, Thurman made this clearer: âYes, not theocratic, because that brings [with it a] comparison to the Holy Roman Empire ... because it has the conception of an authoritarian God controlling the universeâ (Thurman at the conference in Bonn). Thurman seems to think the concept of an âauthoritarian Buddhaâ does not exist, although this is precisely what may be found at the basis of the Lamaist system.[right][snapback]69276[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I suspect they are talking about the famed German scholar of Buddhism Robert Thurman. He is <i>only</i> one of the world's foremost and respected western experts on Buddhism including Tibetan Buddhism. (He is also the dad of lovely actress Uma Thurman, but he's more famous in his own right - she's always been described as the 'daughter of Thurman'.) Back in high school one of my teachers had praised his works to the sky.
The Trimondis' speculative lies are no match for Thurman's in-depth factual knowledge. Though he might perhaps not know as much as actual Buddhist Monks and Lamas, he's probably as good as it gets otherwise. Thurman works in peer-reviewed circles and won't have time to waste responding to unfounded allegations and missionary lies made up by frauds.
I, on the other hand, have a little time:
This is but Trimondis' latest christolies. They're highly bothered since the fastest growing religion in Germany is Buddhism. And Thurman is - unlike the western 'scholars' on Hinduism - a Buddhist himself and therefore both knowledgeable and not at all opposed to his field of study. He has helped in bringing Buddhism to German and western attention, and what's more, it's positive attention he's garnered for Buddha's Dharma. He's an authority - not some random writer on the side - greatly admired and respected in German (and western) scholarship; but even casual readers apparently learn a lot from his books.
The Trimondis were already liars when it came to the typical cover-up of the facts concerning nazism which they attempted earlier. Hitler was a catholic and he's never been excommunicated. Pavelic and Tiso were devout catholics. Most nazis were devout catholics and (in Germany) protestants too.
The lying-duo were already pathetically desperate when they tried to fudge the actual christian connection with hitler and nazism by inventing the impossible thread to Buddhism and Hinduism instead. But with this book the Trimondis have once again put their hind paws in their mouths. Besides, how embarassing for them that they should try to pretend to know more than Thurman. The world is laughing. Perhaps none louder than myself. Mwahahahahahaha
Here, found Thurman's site.
His bio:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Biography</b>
Robert A.F. Thurman is the Jey Tsong Khapa Professor of Indo-Tibetan Buddhist Studies in the Department of Religion at Columbia University, President of the Tibet House U.S., a non-profit organization dedicated to the preservation and promotion of Tibetan civilization, and President of the American Institute of Buddhist Studies, a non-profit affiliated with the Center for Buddhist Studies at Columbia University and dedicated to the publication of translations of important texts from the Tibetan Tanjur.
Professor Thurman also translates important Tibetan and Sanskrit philosophical writings and lectures and writes on Buddhism, particularly Tibetan Buddhism; on Asian history, particularly the history of the monastic institution in the Asian civilization; and on critical philosophy, with a focus on the dialogue between the material and inner sciences of the world's religious traditions.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
[christoterrorist allegations against Buddhism and Tibetan Buddhism in particular]
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The page at link http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm starts with:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Shadow of the Dalai Lama â Contents
Victor & Victoria Trimondi<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The Trimondis made a 'name' for themselves by absurdly claiming that Hinduism and Buddhism 'inspired Hitler'. These two writers are christians who try to shift the blame for Nazism, the Holocaust and the racism based on the imaginary Oryans off from christianity by trying to implicate utterly uninvolved religions.
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_IV.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Book Tries to Link Hitler with Buddhism and Hinduism</b>
Hamburg, Germany, September 19, 2002: Adolf Hitler was fascinated with Buddhism and Hinduism, and many of his henchmen viewed him as a Krishna-like divine warrior who would cleanse the Earth of "vermin" in a baptism of fire, according to a headline-making new book. <b>The book Hitler-Buddha-Krishna is by a controversial Austrian husband-and-wife team of authors</b> who have generated publicity in Europe with a number of books exploring what they call the "violence- prone" side of Buddhism and Hinduism.
It was this side of those Eastern philosophies - the image of the vengeful demigod annihilating enemies without mercy to create a new earthly order - which fascinated Hitler as a young man and which continues to fascinate impressionable young neo-Nazis, say the authors. In fact, there is little new in the book by <b>Herbert and Mariana Roettgen,</b> according to this article in the German press, who write under the <b>pseudonym Victor and Victoria Trimondi.</b>
Beyond linking the swastika with Hindu symbolism, the authors fail to prove that Hitler himself actually had more than a brief flirtation with Eastern philosophy in pre-World War I Vienna. But this latest book has nonetheless drawn press attention in Austria and Germany, with more- or-less serious interviews appearing under invariably sensationalist photos of Hitler superimposed over the Buddha. "Hitler was a Buddhist" screamed a typical headline in Bild, Europe's biggest tabloid.
(source: Deutsche Presse-Agentur - For more on Hitler, please refer to Free thought Today and nobeliefs.com and Freethought.com).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now onto the person these liars-for-gawd are foolishly criticising:
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Nevertheless, <b>Thurman</b> presumes to declare them expressions of traditional Tibetâs âinner modernityâ, which is ultimately superior to Europeâs âouter modernityâ: âAs Europe was pushing away the Pope, the Church, and the enchantment of everyday life, Tibet was turning over the reins of its country to a new kind of government, which cannot properly be called âtheocraticâ, since the Tibetans do not believe in an omnipotent God, but which can be called âBuddhocraticââ (Thurman 1998, p. 248). This form of government is supposed to guide our future. At the Tibet conference in Bonn, Thurman made this clearer: âYes, not theocratic, because that brings [with it a] comparison to the Holy Roman Empire ... because it has the conception of an authoritarian God controlling the universeâ (Thurman at the conference in Bonn). Thurman seems to think the concept of an âauthoritarian Buddhaâ does not exist, although this is precisely what may be found at the basis of the Lamaist system.[right][snapback]69276[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I suspect they are talking about the famed German scholar of Buddhism Robert Thurman. He is <i>only</i> one of the world's foremost and respected western experts on Buddhism including Tibetan Buddhism. (He is also the dad of lovely actress Uma Thurman, but he's more famous in his own right - she's always been described as the 'daughter of Thurman'.) Back in high school one of my teachers had praised his works to the sky.
The Trimondis' speculative lies are no match for Thurman's in-depth factual knowledge. Though he might perhaps not know as much as actual Buddhist Monks and Lamas, he's probably as good as it gets otherwise. Thurman works in peer-reviewed circles and won't have time to waste responding to unfounded allegations and missionary lies made up by frauds.
I, on the other hand, have a little time:
This is but Trimondis' latest christolies. They're highly bothered since the fastest growing religion in Germany is Buddhism. And Thurman is - unlike the western 'scholars' on Hinduism - a Buddhist himself and therefore both knowledgeable and not at all opposed to his field of study. He has helped in bringing Buddhism to German and western attention, and what's more, it's positive attention he's garnered for Buddha's Dharma. He's an authority - not some random writer on the side - greatly admired and respected in German (and western) scholarship; but even casual readers apparently learn a lot from his books.
The Trimondis were already liars when it came to the typical cover-up of the facts concerning nazism which they attempted earlier. Hitler was a catholic and he's never been excommunicated. Pavelic and Tiso were devout catholics. Most nazis were devout catholics and (in Germany) protestants too.
The lying-duo were already pathetically desperate when they tried to fudge the actual christian connection with hitler and nazism by inventing the impossible thread to Buddhism and Hinduism instead. But with this book the Trimondis have once again put their hind paws in their mouths. Besides, how embarassing for them that they should try to pretend to know more than Thurman. The world is laughing. Perhaps none louder than myself. Mwahahahahahaha
Here, found Thurman's site.
His bio:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Biography</b>
Robert A.F. Thurman is the Jey Tsong Khapa Professor of Indo-Tibetan Buddhist Studies in the Department of Religion at Columbia University, President of the Tibet House U.S., a non-profit organization dedicated to the preservation and promotion of Tibetan civilization, and President of the American Institute of Buddhist Studies, a non-profit affiliated with the Center for Buddhist Studies at Columbia University and dedicated to the publication of translations of important texts from the Tibetan Tanjur.
Professor Thurman also translates important Tibetan and Sanskrit philosophical writings and lectures and writes on Buddhism, particularly Tibetan Buddhism; on Asian history, particularly the history of the monastic institution in the Asian civilization; and on critical philosophy, with a focus on the dialogue between the material and inner sciences of the world's religious traditions.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->