<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Sep 12 2007, 07:51 PM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Sep 12 2007, 07:51 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If there was no Ram Setu, there was no Sabri , no Valmiki also. Is there any Lanka?[right][snapback]73019[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Here you've illustrated what the christo (which includes colonialist) argument has always been. They've ever contended that India was a late invention - that it never existed, precisely because they dismiss anything we have in terms of history and literature as false. Not that they treated just us in that way, but certainly, the fact that we are still an unconverted country makes them feel better at treating Hindu India like a doormat. So far we've still not rolled over and died, much to their chagrin.
Funny how the west brainwashed by christoism has lied and lied and continues to lie again about itself (recent constructs of 'Europe' and 'west' and of 'Oryans', of connections with ancient Greece and Rome as if these were historically part of any Europe when no notion of any Europe even existed at their time; not to forget the lies about jeebus and the other stuff in the bible being presented as true).
All while they cannot ever believe that other civilisations are <i>not</i> compulsive liars (as opposed to how they've been conducting themselves):
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/ch46.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No serious historian would ignore the Exodus narrative simply because it also contains unhistorical episodes like the Parting of the Sea and the voice from the Burning Bush.
Experience should also make us skeptical towards the knee-jerk skepticism displayed by historians when confronted with ancient historiography. <b>Thus, the king-list of the Chinese Shang dynasty (16th-12th century BC) was dismissed as âobviously mythicalâ, but when in the 1920s the Shang oracle bones were discovered, all the kings were found to be mentioned there: the âmythicalâ dynastic list proved to be correct to the detail.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->About the mention of 'Exodus' made in the above quoteblock. It seems the following Israeli archaeologists - presumably later than Elst wrote the above - discovered that the Exodus could not have taken place:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B2d.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts</b> by Neil Asher Silberman and Israel Finkelstein - online summary.
The authors, who are directors of archaeological institutes, are authorities concerning the archaeology of early Palestine.
The book discusses how <b>archaeology has shown that there is no evidence for the existence of:</b>
- Abraham and any of the Patriarchs
- Moses and the <b>Exodus</b>
- The period of Judges and the united monarchy of David and Solomon.
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Doubting the Story of Exodus - L.A. Times News, April 13, 2001
The modern archeological consensus over the Exodus is just beginning to reach the public.
...
In a new book this year, "The Bible Unearthed," Israeli archeologist Israel Finklestein of Tel Aviv University and archeological journalist Neil Asher Silberman raised similar doubts and offered a new theory about the roots of the <b>Exodus story. The authors argue that the story was written during the time of King Josia of Judah in the 7th century BC--600 years after the Exodus supposedly occurred in 1250 BC</b>--as a political manifesto to unite Israelites against the rival Egyptian empire as both states sought to expand their territory.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(2) The irrelevant spiel about 'no proof' for Rama:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Centre says no evidence to prove existence of Ram<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh, the desperate christoterrorists. Well, why don't they iterate in the same loud voice how there <i>is</i> evidence that <i>jeebus never existed</i>. In other words, <i>not</i> absence of evidence for jeebus the christian man-gawd-who-never-was, but how in fact there <i>is</i> evidence he could not have been.
"Jeebus of Nazareth" - and other such inane impossibilities. Says it all really.
Funny how the west brainwashed by christoism has lied and lied and continues to lie again about itself (recent constructs of 'Europe' and 'west' and of 'Oryans', of connections with ancient Greece and Rome as if these were historically part of any Europe when no notion of any Europe even existed at their time; not to forget the lies about jeebus and the other stuff in the bible being presented as true).
All while they cannot ever believe that other civilisations are <i>not</i> compulsive liars (as opposed to how they've been conducting themselves):
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ait/ch46.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No serious historian would ignore the Exodus narrative simply because it also contains unhistorical episodes like the Parting of the Sea and the voice from the Burning Bush.
Experience should also make us skeptical towards the knee-jerk skepticism displayed by historians when confronted with ancient historiography. <b>Thus, the king-list of the Chinese Shang dynasty (16th-12th century BC) was dismissed as âobviously mythicalâ, but when in the 1920s the Shang oracle bones were discovered, all the kings were found to be mentioned there: the âmythicalâ dynastic list proved to be correct to the detail.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->About the mention of 'Exodus' made in the above quoteblock. It seems the following Israeli archaeologists - presumably later than Elst wrote the above - discovered that the Exodus could not have taken place:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B2d.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts</b> by Neil Asher Silberman and Israel Finkelstein - online summary.
The authors, who are directors of archaeological institutes, are authorities concerning the archaeology of early Palestine.
The book discusses how <b>archaeology has shown that there is no evidence for the existence of:</b>
- Abraham and any of the Patriarchs
- Moses and the <b>Exodus</b>
- The period of Judges and the united monarchy of David and Solomon.
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Doubting the Story of Exodus - L.A. Times News, April 13, 2001
The modern archeological consensus over the Exodus is just beginning to reach the public.
...
In a new book this year, "The Bible Unearthed," Israeli archeologist Israel Finklestein of Tel Aviv University and archeological journalist Neil Asher Silberman raised similar doubts and offered a new theory about the roots of the <b>Exodus story. The authors argue that the story was written during the time of King Josia of Judah in the 7th century BC--600 years after the Exodus supposedly occurred in 1250 BC</b>--as a political manifesto to unite Israelites against the rival Egyptian empire as both states sought to expand their territory.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(2) The irrelevant spiel about 'no proof' for Rama:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Centre says no evidence to prove existence of Ram<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh, the desperate christoterrorists. Well, why don't they iterate in the same loud voice how there <i>is</i> evidence that <i>jeebus never existed</i>. In other words, <i>not</i> absence of evidence for jeebus the christian man-gawd-who-never-was, but how in fact there <i>is</i> evidence he could not have been.
"Jeebus of Nazareth" - and other such inane impossibilities. Says it all really.