12-06-2007, 11:59 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Muppalla+Dec 5 2007, 06:49 PM-->QUOTE(Muppalla @ Dec 5 2007, 06:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->2)
Kapus are kapus and Reddys are Reddys. I don't think they are same. Kapus have different names. In coastal region they are called as kapus or naidus( if there is naidu viz. CBN and venkayya naidu from south/Rayalaseema they are kammas and not kapus). In Guntur and prakasam they are called as Balija and Telaga. In some other regions they are called ontari. In north AP they are called as toorpu
kapu. There are sub sects as well.
Reddys from Telangana which is substantial are completely missing in that number.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Reddy and Naidu are titles than castes but over time Kapu Reddys appropriate that title to the their caste. In Rayalaseema/South coastal districts, term Kapu generally means Reddy and Naidu generally means Kamma. In Guntur dist and upwards, Naidu means Kapu Naidu. In Chittoor dist. Balija and Velama also go by Naidu title. Vanne Reddy (BC category) also goes by Reddy title. In Guntur/Krishna Kammas don't use Naidu title as in old times but use Choudary to exclusively mean Kamma.
So 1921 census done from Madras presidency used Kapu to mean Reddy.
Here is rough breakdown based on surveys and censuses of AP population:
23% SC&ST (16% SC 7% ST)
9% Muslim
42% BC (big list)
26% UC (10-11% Reddy 5% Kamma 3% Velama 3% Vysya 3% Brahmin 2% Raju)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The talk of third front was always there and Chiranjeevi for the first time seems to be articulating its constituents. His idea is about the ones that are swinging between Congress and TDP should form a block of their own even if they are just 20 to 25% so that they can have more negotiating power and make other segments swing between three sections. This section is in the corridors of power but waiting there for the last 25 years and this is trying to find a way. TRS is also one of the reason for that purpose.
My view is having another regional front is not good for AP in the long run and BJP should have invested for this section so that people can take it seriously. It could create a block of the 25% and another 8% of ideological voters could bring to power.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Problem is there is no political space or ideology for Chiru (His position is like Rajanikant in Tamilnadu or Mohan Babu in AP). If he doesn't join TDP, Congress, or BJP, his only chance is to bring up Kapu caste factor. Question is if he wants to polarize and bring caste politics and lose general appeal people have towards him. He has been quite away from Kapunadu politics so far.
TDP positioned as party of average Srinivas. Congress still relies on Reddy and SC votebanks. Between those two parties and Commie with their 5% and recent TRS with their 5%, the political space is full. BJP by supporting Telangana brought its own demise in AP and may get stuck with their 5%. So if third front comes they will only get their 5% by carving a few % from each of other parties.
PS: I used 5% rhetorically to mean low voting % not 5% exactly.
PPS: Shouldn't this topic be under state elections instead of History thread?
Kapus are kapus and Reddys are Reddys. I don't think they are same. Kapus have different names. In coastal region they are called as kapus or naidus( if there is naidu viz. CBN and venkayya naidu from south/Rayalaseema they are kammas and not kapus). In Guntur and prakasam they are called as Balija and Telaga. In some other regions they are called ontari. In north AP they are called as toorpu
kapu. There are sub sects as well.
Reddys from Telangana which is substantial are completely missing in that number.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Reddy and Naidu are titles than castes but over time Kapu Reddys appropriate that title to the their caste. In Rayalaseema/South coastal districts, term Kapu generally means Reddy and Naidu generally means Kamma. In Guntur dist and upwards, Naidu means Kapu Naidu. In Chittoor dist. Balija and Velama also go by Naidu title. Vanne Reddy (BC category) also goes by Reddy title. In Guntur/Krishna Kammas don't use Naidu title as in old times but use Choudary to exclusively mean Kamma.
So 1921 census done from Madras presidency used Kapu to mean Reddy.
Here is rough breakdown based on surveys and censuses of AP population:
23% SC&ST (16% SC 7% ST)
9% Muslim
42% BC (big list)
26% UC (10-11% Reddy 5% Kamma 3% Velama 3% Vysya 3% Brahmin 2% Raju)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The talk of third front was always there and Chiranjeevi for the first time seems to be articulating its constituents. His idea is about the ones that are swinging between Congress and TDP should form a block of their own even if they are just 20 to 25% so that they can have more negotiating power and make other segments swing between three sections. This section is in the corridors of power but waiting there for the last 25 years and this is trying to find a way. TRS is also one of the reason for that purpose.
My view is having another regional front is not good for AP in the long run and BJP should have invested for this section so that people can take it seriously. It could create a block of the 25% and another 8% of ideological voters could bring to power.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Problem is there is no political space or ideology for Chiru (His position is like Rajanikant in Tamilnadu or Mohan Babu in AP). If he doesn't join TDP, Congress, or BJP, his only chance is to bring up Kapu caste factor. Question is if he wants to polarize and bring caste politics and lose general appeal people have towards him. He has been quite away from Kapunadu politics so far.
TDP positioned as party of average Srinivas. Congress still relies on Reddy and SC votebanks. Between those two parties and Commie with their 5% and recent TRS with their 5%, the political space is full. BJP by supporting Telangana brought its own demise in AP and may get stuck with their 5%. So if third front comes they will only get their 5% by carving a few % from each of other parties.
PS: I used 5% rhetorically to mean low voting % not 5% exactly.
PPS: Shouldn't this topic be under state elections instead of History thread?