12-11-2007, 05:50 AM
Bodhi,
Mudy has indicated this is off-topic, so I will not go into lengthy rebuttals ... however, in response to my query about a couplet in Bundelkhandi, your response was to take refuge in Rahim Khankhana ... nice ...
I am not interested in beating this to death ... I responded to Urdu users being called "morons and clueless" ... nothing that you have typed justifies that ... I doubt that reading 59 back-pages of this thread will do so either ...
quoting you in reverse order:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->See the problem? So the problem really is the contempt which you displayed in your first post where you quoted your respected grandmother saying something about Hindi.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there was no contempt ... instead it was irony ... btw, isn't it ironic that "irony" does not have a Ras associated with it? ...
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Problem is not Urdu itself (or even English). They are fine if they can coexist with countless languages of our traditions. The problem is, they (not their fault) have now become a symbol of a new idea - that is a contempt for the tradition. Renounce the faith of ancestors - renounce their language and culture too! That idea. What would otherwise explain why Pakistanis will slowly renounce Panjabi Sindhi for Urdu? Even the trends suggest that Urdu finds home in Bangladesh now! What an irony that country was craeted on language issue at the forefront.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
here you see irony where none exists!
symbols and/or new ideas are never a problem ... why should it matter to you who renounces what? ... as they say, are you a thekedaar of others' minds?
there is a general issue of folks clinging to some ideas and feeling despondent when they see that the popularity of those ideas is eroding ...
the correct response is to make your set of ideas more popular, not whine about the choices others are making ... if not, then live and let be ... at the very top of the idea of liberty is the freedom to choose among ideas ...
Mudy has indicated this is off-topic, so I will not go into lengthy rebuttals ... however, in response to my query about a couplet in Bundelkhandi, your response was to take refuge in Rahim Khankhana ... nice ...
I am not interested in beating this to death ... I responded to Urdu users being called "morons and clueless" ... nothing that you have typed justifies that ... I doubt that reading 59 back-pages of this thread will do so either ...
quoting you in reverse order:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->See the problem? So the problem really is the contempt which you displayed in your first post where you quoted your respected grandmother saying something about Hindi.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there was no contempt ... instead it was irony ... btw, isn't it ironic that "irony" does not have a Ras associated with it? ...
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Problem is not Urdu itself (or even English). They are fine if they can coexist with countless languages of our traditions. The problem is, they (not their fault) have now become a symbol of a new idea - that is a contempt for the tradition. Renounce the faith of ancestors - renounce their language and culture too! That idea. What would otherwise explain why Pakistanis will slowly renounce Panjabi Sindhi for Urdu? Even the trends suggest that Urdu finds home in Bangladesh now! What an irony that country was craeted on language issue at the forefront.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
here you see irony where none exists!
symbols and/or new ideas are never a problem ... why should it matter to you who renounces what? ... as they say, are you a thekedaar of others' minds?
there is a general issue of folks clinging to some ideas and feeling despondent when they see that the popularity of those ideas is eroding ...
the correct response is to make your set of ideas more popular, not whine about the choices others are making ... if not, then live and let be ... at the very top of the idea of liberty is the freedom to choose among ideas ...