<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Apr 13 2008, 06:41 PM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Apr 13 2008, 06:41 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->1,000 Dalit Christians to reconvert to Hinduism in TN
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->CHENNAI: Thousand members who belong to Dalit Christian community will officially get reconverted into Hinduism on Monday in Tirunelveli town in a colourful function being organized by Hindu Monks Tamil Nadu Council.
This event gains significance in the backdrop March 9 police shootout in which two people were killed when clashes broke out between the members of upper caste Catholics and Dalit Catholics.
Speaking to TOI, Hindu Makkal Katchi (HMK) president Arjun Sampath said: "185 families of Dalit Christians will formally return to Hinduism. All of them hail from the interior villages of Tirunelveli district. This event is being organized on the occasion of Ambedkarâs birthday."
HMK had earlier tried to hold the event at Nellayappar temple in Tirunelveli. However, the <b>HR&CE</b> department which governs the temple refused permission saying that the temple premises could not be used for such purposes.<i>{WTF!}</i>
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]80624[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->HR(&)CE "Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Department" is the state's famous anti-Hindu organisation.
Searching IF on "HR&CE" and "HRCE" show the department's anti-Hinduism. Things it's famous for:
HRCE likes forcibly moving Swamigals to other states and threatening them:
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=74165
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Government designs on the Kumbakonam Mutt.</b>
[...]
[Junior Eagle:]âThatâs right. Word is going around that the <b>HRCE</b>, which has taken hold of the Mutt is trying to forcibly kick out Neelakanta Swamigal. VHP people and a whole lot of devotees thronged in front of the Mutt on Maatu-Pongal day [Jan. 15th]
âWe donât want to kick him out or anything. Swami himself wants to go to Bangalore. He said he wants to stay a few days to do special pujas and then go back,â the <b>HRCE</b> officials said.
[...]
âWhatever it is, let us hear it from him in person â Bring him out!â the crowd chanted. Finally they brought the Swamigal to the gate.â
âSo what on earth did Neelakanda Swami say?â
[Junior Eagle:]âEven though they brought him out and stood him at the gate. They wouldnât let anyone get near enough to talk to him. From far away, the devotees shouted out at the top of their lungs:
âSwami! They say you want to go to Bangalore?â
To which, Swamigal replied in his mother tongue, Kannada:
âI donât want to go anywhere anytime soon!â and he went back inside.
[...]
This had already angered devotees â on the same day, Secretary of the Mutt, Handi died of a heart attack [Ed: thatâs right, the same day <b>HRCE</b> officers presumably dropped the Mataadipathi off at his house.], increasing their anger.
âHandi was already very perturbed by the Mutt issueâ [ie <b>HRCE</b>âs takeover of the Mutt]. âThat was the reason for his heart attack. The Government is going to have to answer for all this,â say furious [devotees].
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=63621
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>No Brahmins to run temples</b>
Chennai, Jan 26: The DMK government headed by chief
minister M. Karunanidhi, well known for his atheist views, has ensured
that no Brahmin is appointed as trustee in any of the major temples
across Tamil Nadu. Perhaps this is the first time that the
community, closely identified with priesthood, has been so comprehensively
kept out of temple administration. While the norms that a dalit and a
woman should be accommodated in the five-member temple committees have
been followed, the state <b>Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments
Department (HR&CE)</b>, which administers most of the temples
in Tamil Nadu, has ensured that the Brahmins are kept out of these
prestigious positions.
The famous places of worship, including Madurai Meenakshi temple, Rameswaram Ramanathaswamy temple, Palani Dandayuthapani temple, Tiruchendur Subramania Swamy temple and Mylai Kapaleeswarar temple, do not have a Brahmin as arangaavalar in the administrating committees.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=79581
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Armed with an order of the <b>Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments (HR&CE)</b> Department and supported by activists of a human rights group, Arumugasamy had attempted to recite the hymns at the main shrine of the temple.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=79222
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Dikshitars have a case. They dont say that no thevaram should be recited there. They say that according to the prescribed worship protocol, it cannot be recited from the Chitrambala dais. Othuvar Arumugaswami insists that he would render it only from the dais.
The matter went to the court, which directed the government to find a solution. Accordingly the Government considered the matter and endorsed the view of the Asst Commissioner of <b>HR&CE</b>. It was decided that the othuvar can recite it in the temple.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Chidambaram Natarajan kovil incident. Motivated media keeps lying about how supposedly 'only Samskritam shlokas' are allowed to be recited. The truth is that Tamil vocals are also of prime importance in the Kovil. See S.V. Badri's article on Chidambaram titled "Facts you won't get to read in our secular media")
The remaining two IF posts that I could find mentioning the anti-Hindu HR&CE:
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=27524
and
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=72354
Is it any wonder it would treat the returning Hindus in this way. Of course HR&CE doesn't want converts to return to their Hindu Dharma. And it therefore bans them from getting Shuddhi in Hindu temples.
About a different bit in the article posted by K.Ram:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Further, those who want to follow Saiva cult would be given bhasmam (sacred ash) and a string of rudraksha while the vaishnavite converts would be given namam (tilak) and a string of tulsi.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What about the ones who want to have Vishnu AND Shiva? This is TN, so they can easily have both - most TN people do. That this option is available must be made clear to them. In fact, I bet they also want to have Devi. You see, I know the Thamizh (Hindu) mind intimately <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And what if their ancestors were followers of Ayappa or Murugan as many Hindus of TN are? Or Ganapathi? Let them know all our Gods and then let them grow in the direction of their inner choosing, like how plants naturally grow towards the sacred Sun. Hindus are not limited as to choice and actually need not even choose...
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Dalit Christians who return to Hindu fold would also be given a mantra deeksha (formal initiation) both in Sanskrit and Tamil.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This is brilliant. In one fell swoop getting them initiated back into both their Mother and Father language. Our languages are part of our umbilical cord to Hindu Dharma.
<!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo--> Jai Chamundeshwari
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->CHENNAI: Thousand members who belong to Dalit Christian community will officially get reconverted into Hinduism on Monday in Tirunelveli town in a colourful function being organized by Hindu Monks Tamil Nadu Council.
This event gains significance in the backdrop March 9 police shootout in which two people were killed when clashes broke out between the members of upper caste Catholics and Dalit Catholics.
Speaking to TOI, Hindu Makkal Katchi (HMK) president Arjun Sampath said: "185 families of Dalit Christians will formally return to Hinduism. All of them hail from the interior villages of Tirunelveli district. This event is being organized on the occasion of Ambedkarâs birthday."
HMK had earlier tried to hold the event at Nellayappar temple in Tirunelveli. However, the <b>HR&CE</b> department which governs the temple refused permission saying that the temple premises could not be used for such purposes.<i>{WTF!}</i>
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]80624[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->HR(&)CE "Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Department" is the state's famous anti-Hindu organisation.
Searching IF on "HR&CE" and "HRCE" show the department's anti-Hinduism. Things it's famous for:
HRCE likes forcibly moving Swamigals to other states and threatening them:
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=74165
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Government designs on the Kumbakonam Mutt.</b>
[...]
[Junior Eagle:]âThatâs right. Word is going around that the <b>HRCE</b>, which has taken hold of the Mutt is trying to forcibly kick out Neelakanta Swamigal. VHP people and a whole lot of devotees thronged in front of the Mutt on Maatu-Pongal day [Jan. 15th]
âWe donât want to kick him out or anything. Swami himself wants to go to Bangalore. He said he wants to stay a few days to do special pujas and then go back,â the <b>HRCE</b> officials said.
[...]
âWhatever it is, let us hear it from him in person â Bring him out!â the crowd chanted. Finally they brought the Swamigal to the gate.â
âSo what on earth did Neelakanda Swami say?â
[Junior Eagle:]âEven though they brought him out and stood him at the gate. They wouldnât let anyone get near enough to talk to him. From far away, the devotees shouted out at the top of their lungs:
âSwami! They say you want to go to Bangalore?â
To which, Swamigal replied in his mother tongue, Kannada:
âI donât want to go anywhere anytime soon!â and he went back inside.
[...]
This had already angered devotees â on the same day, Secretary of the Mutt, Handi died of a heart attack [Ed: thatâs right, the same day <b>HRCE</b> officers presumably dropped the Mataadipathi off at his house.], increasing their anger.
âHandi was already very perturbed by the Mutt issueâ [ie <b>HRCE</b>âs takeover of the Mutt]. âThat was the reason for his heart attack. The Government is going to have to answer for all this,â say furious [devotees].
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=63621
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>No Brahmins to run temples</b>
Chennai, Jan 26: The DMK government headed by chief
minister M. Karunanidhi, well known for his atheist views, has ensured
that no Brahmin is appointed as trustee in any of the major temples
across Tamil Nadu. Perhaps this is the first time that the
community, closely identified with priesthood, has been so comprehensively
kept out of temple administration. While the norms that a dalit and a
woman should be accommodated in the five-member temple committees have
been followed, the state <b>Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments
Department (HR&CE)</b>, which administers most of the temples
in Tamil Nadu, has ensured that the Brahmins are kept out of these
prestigious positions.
The famous places of worship, including Madurai Meenakshi temple, Rameswaram Ramanathaswamy temple, Palani Dandayuthapani temple, Tiruchendur Subramania Swamy temple and Mylai Kapaleeswarar temple, do not have a Brahmin as arangaavalar in the administrating committees.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=79581
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Armed with an order of the <b>Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments (HR&CE)</b> Department and supported by activists of a human rights group, Arumugasamy had attempted to recite the hymns at the main shrine of the temple.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=79222
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Dikshitars have a case. They dont say that no thevaram should be recited there. They say that according to the prescribed worship protocol, it cannot be recited from the Chitrambala dais. Othuvar Arumugaswami insists that he would render it only from the dais.
The matter went to the court, which directed the government to find a solution. Accordingly the Government considered the matter and endorsed the view of the Asst Commissioner of <b>HR&CE</b>. It was decided that the othuvar can recite it in the temple.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->(Chidambaram Natarajan kovil incident. Motivated media keeps lying about how supposedly 'only Samskritam shlokas' are allowed to be recited. The truth is that Tamil vocals are also of prime importance in the Kovil. See S.V. Badri's article on Chidambaram titled "Facts you won't get to read in our secular media")
The remaining two IF posts that I could find mentioning the anti-Hindu HR&CE:
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=27524
and
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=72354
Is it any wonder it would treat the returning Hindus in this way. Of course HR&CE doesn't want converts to return to their Hindu Dharma. And it therefore bans them from getting Shuddhi in Hindu temples.
About a different bit in the article posted by K.Ram:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Further, those who want to follow Saiva cult would be given bhasmam (sacred ash) and a string of rudraksha while the vaishnavite converts would be given namam (tilak) and a string of tulsi.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What about the ones who want to have Vishnu AND Shiva? This is TN, so they can easily have both - most TN people do. That this option is available must be made clear to them. In fact, I bet they also want to have Devi. You see, I know the Thamizh (Hindu) mind intimately <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> And what if their ancestors were followers of Ayappa or Murugan as many Hindus of TN are? Or Ganapathi? Let them know all our Gods and then let them grow in the direction of their inner choosing, like how plants naturally grow towards the sacred Sun. Hindus are not limited as to choice and actually need not even choose...
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Dalit Christians who return to Hindu fold would also be given a mantra deeksha (formal initiation) both in Sanskrit and Tamil.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This is brilliant. In one fell swoop getting them initiated back into both their Mother and Father language. Our languages are part of our umbilical cord to Hindu Dharma.
<!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo--> Jai Chamundeshwari