05-01-2008, 02:25 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Apr 30 2008, 05:02 AM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Apr 30 2008, 05:02 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Apr 30 2008, 12:12 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Apr 30 2008, 12:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->No matter what Rev Wright says. Read this analysis. And see how this gora-saheb turns this race-argument on its head. I would think 100% blacks will have no problems with what Wright said in this matter. But to take this and spin it in completely different direction is really interesting. IOW this para means nothing to blacks. It means nothing to whites. And this person feels good about accusing another one as racist.
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<b>I think they (the blacks) are struggling to jettison the defunct normative frameworks of western civilization. The entire episode about "different not deficient" is simply an embrace of eastern relativity. But they are still languishing with christian terminology. </b>
Additionally, they do not want to accept the fact that westerners set the framework and the problem sets, therefore they will not concede any ground at all (eg AIDS and US govt) out of "principle". It maybe something beyond a power struggle and an assertion of presence. Let's see if they can transcend the western frameworks (including libeartion theology) instead of giving over to islam.
Will's essay is an attempt to control these trends and to put the blacks in their "seen but silent" place by resorting to the only thing they can resort to: the power of the definition (eg racism, reverse racism, the "true" learning style, etc). ---See I've defined Wright as racist: case closed. More than one culture, learning style?? aha, that's racist--- But the blacks are struggling to articulate a theory of cultural diversity along heathenish lines. Of course, I may be overreading. These developments may be nothing more than the witzel/nussbaum/liberation theology liberal strains co-opting the black struggles into "the system". Most likely this will be the end result.
(NOI is actually not an islamist org, it is more a black nationalist org. They don't care one way or the other about India, China, heathens, etc.)
Hispanics are also watching. When whites become minority, we see the real fun start. They have their own Evo Morales et al, and stronger claims as well.
Will:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The answer is: Certainly, because Wright's paranoias tell us something -- exactly what remains to be explored -- about his 20-year parishioner.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is a typical christian/western concern. How can someone do something without "believing" in it? Obama himself is struggling to articulate this and the answer is not to be found in the western framework at all.
<b>At the very least, these episodes indicate imperfect integration and a crumbling western grand narrative. Wright's main assertion is that an imposed and normative homogeneity as well as assimilation is not acceptable.</b>
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Dhu, Interesting comments and insight. Can you expand more? We can now see the whole Civil Rights movement in new light. The Selma march, the NOI, Black Muslims etc. What is interesting is that MLK was able to obtain some recognition only when he adopted non -violence which is not in either of the two paths available to blacks in US.
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<b>I think they (the blacks) are struggling to jettison the defunct normative frameworks of western civilization. The entire episode about "different not deficient" is simply an embrace of eastern relativity. But they are still languishing with christian terminology. </b>
Additionally, they do not want to accept the fact that westerners set the framework and the problem sets, therefore they will not concede any ground at all (eg AIDS and US govt) out of "principle". It maybe something beyond a power struggle and an assertion of presence. Let's see if they can transcend the western frameworks (including libeartion theology) instead of giving over to islam.
Will's essay is an attempt to control these trends and to put the blacks in their "seen but silent" place by resorting to the only thing they can resort to: the power of the definition (eg racism, reverse racism, the "true" learning style, etc). ---See I've defined Wright as racist: case closed. More than one culture, learning style?? aha, that's racist--- But the blacks are struggling to articulate a theory of cultural diversity along heathenish lines. Of course, I may be overreading. These developments may be nothing more than the witzel/nussbaum/liberation theology liberal strains co-opting the black struggles into "the system". Most likely this will be the end result.
(NOI is actually not an islamist org, it is more a black nationalist org. They don't care one way or the other about India, China, heathens, etc.)
Hispanics are also watching. When whites become minority, we see the real fun start. They have their own Evo Morales et al, and stronger claims as well.
Will:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The answer is: Certainly, because Wright's paranoias tell us something -- exactly what remains to be explored -- about his 20-year parishioner.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is a typical christian/western concern. How can someone do something without "believing" in it? Obama himself is struggling to articulate this and the answer is not to be found in the western framework at all.
<b>At the very least, these episodes indicate imperfect integration and a crumbling western grand narrative. Wright's main assertion is that an imposed and normative homogeneity as well as assimilation is not acceptable.</b>
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Dhu, Interesting comments and insight. Can you expand more? We can now see the whole Civil Rights movement in new light. The Selma march, the NOI, Black Muslims etc. What is interesting is that MLK was able to obtain some recognition only when he adopted non -violence which is not in either of the two paths available to blacks in US.