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Apr 21, 2008
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This area is zoned residential. Did you also miss that fact?
You obviously don't understand how zoning works.
There are reams of case law, stacks of legal briefs, and millions of hours of litigation tied up in the simplistic statement "This area is zoned residential".
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Apr 21, 2008
god forbid. as the 'melting pot' that we were once known as, and all of us have benefitted from...it's so refreshing to see the culture of paranoia that has pervaded the united states.
xenophobia can be used as crowd control, similar to religion, to very negative ends.
let the temple be built, even go check it out! you might learn something. embrace other religions, learn about them. it doesn't mean you have to follow them, or even believe in the same ideals, but it never hurts to learn. unless you're in the Akron Public Schools...
CC Baxter
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I would! Boot em back to Africa.
Of course you would.
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Apr 21, 2008
This is fear of the unknown - nothing more, nothing less. If the rules are followed, there should be no reason why this church/temple shouldn't be built. I know of no laws that say a religious building can't be built in a residential neighborhood.
CC Baxter
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Apr 21, 2008
THE BRICK SLAYER wrote:
relax some of those hindu women are really hot, and don't forget the kama sutra! wow i wish i had a hindu temple to go to, sit by some hot hindu chicks and study the kama sutra with them. sexy hot hindu chicks F%*% YEAH
My, how very urbane you are.
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Apr 21, 2008
Hey R-Tards, Hindu's never attacked us. I hate NIMBY's
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Apr 21, 2008
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I would! Boot em back to Africa.
Of course - this guy lives in the Falls. Grow up.
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Apr 21, 2008
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Would you say the same thing if you replaced the words "black people" with "Hindu temple"?
Do you enjoy making ignorant statements, if you're going to try to compare apples-to-apples, then do so. Your example is apples and oranges (people to a building).
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Apr 21, 2008
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But if they have been sleeping on their rights regarding other large, well-lit structures in the area, they'll have an uphill battle to fight.
Based on what statutes and/or case law?
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Apr 21, 2008
CC Baxter wrote:
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You obviously don't understand how zoning works.
There are reams of case law, stacks of legal briefs, and millions of hours of litigation tied up in the simplistic statement "This area is zoned residential".
Comparing a nursing home to a mega-religion place are not the same.
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Apr 21, 2008
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People in the suburbs are such bumpkins. Parking lot light glare? Give me a break.
While I wholeheartedly disagree on their "parking lot lights" and "strangers coming in" reasonings, not all of us suburban folks are "bumpkins."
I see the building of this as opening up a huge can of worms.
Jack
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Apr 21, 2008
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I would be honored to have a Hindu temple in my neighboorhood.
Not only wealthy, smart, and clean...but also peaceful, hardworking, and very devotional.
Seems like a win/win to me.
It would be IF they were residing there.
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Apr 21, 2008
If the members lives in the same area it would be great. You would think they would want to put this closer to their members. I can understand them wanting to put it in a nice quiet area but it's not looking like it's going to be that way.
it's just the way things are. Just like your not going to put a black church in the middle of white neighborhood.(even though I wouldn't mind, those churches get down) just like your not going to put a Jewish church in the middle of a muslim neighborhood.(now that would be funny)
If the people who live there don't want it there then so be it, find another location.
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Apr 21, 2008
I worked next to a Temple in Florida and the only problems we had was the trafic jams on Friday afternoon. They had to use the local police to direct traffic and it did cause major back up on a busy main road.
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Apr 21, 2008
I hear all these people saying to put the temple where the followers live. It's not that simple. These folks will come from all over the place to worship, not one little area. This isn't a dime-a-dozen neighborhood chruch that opens up on the corner then starts recruiting new parishioners from the area. This is a temple for families that don't want to drive even farther to visit their place of worship.
For those residents concerned about the noise of "chanting and singing" that would pollute their neighborhood, I urge them to drive past any Christian church during a service and listen. I live within a couple blocks of two churches and cannot hear any singing, praying, or organ music from my house. I do, however, hear the tolling of the bells... which is something you will not hear as frequently from the Hindu temple.
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Apr 21, 2008
''Why has Richfield become the place where all these odd religions want to be?''
Gotta love it. In the U.S., everyone has the freedom to worship their own religion.
As long as it's not an odd one.
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Thanks, DNB. You are so right. Hinduism is also the oldest "living" religion. I dare say other religions borrowed some of their concepts from Hinduism and that told their people the religion was pagan. Hinduism has the concept of one God. It also has a Trinity. It also has saints and angels. Some scholars believe that Jesus' sermon on the mount is a compilation of Hindu and Jewish sayings. Hindus also have the most incredible respect for life - especially human life! The idiot bigots need to get their acts together. You want good neighbors? You want safe neighbors? You want the value of your neighborhood preserved? Well welcome the Hindus with open arms then. Help them move in!
surely you're not from akron. you speak so well! LOL
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Apr 21, 2008
B_Radley wrote:
''Why has Richfield become the place where all these odd religions want to be?''
Gotta love it. In the U.S., everyone has the freedom to worship their own religion.
As long as it's not an odd one.
Rev Moon and his Moonies have taken over Lake City Florida. They have tried to get rid of them for years. Muslims are nothing like those crazy moonies. Interesting reading.
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Apr 21, 2008
B_Radley wrote:
''Why has Richfield become the place where all these odd religions want to be?''
Gotta love it. In the U.S., everyone has the freedom to worship their own religion.
As long as it's not an odd one.
LOL exactly. and the only one who doesn't rate as odd is christian. jews are out. hindus? toast. buddhists? they're too noisy with all that 'ohm'-ing and what-not. voodoo? too many blacks for my neighborhood. but if you wanna put up a church, go right ahead...i'll donate my garage for jeebus
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Apr 21, 2008
I think it's a great idea. Then they can all be hired to work customer service phone lines that currently are routed to India!
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Apr 21, 2008
B_Radley wrote:
''Why has Richfield become the place where all these odd religions want to be?''
Gotta love it. In the U.S., everyone has the freedom to worship their own religion.
As long as it's not an odd one.
True. Sad, but true. If there was a cross on the building, all would be well.
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Apr 21, 2008
It this area does not want a Hindu temple in their backyard, perhaps it would be a good idea for them to build else where. If is built, the member of the temple can/will have major problems.
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Apr 21, 2008
Can't we all just get along?
Americans are very unrealistic:they expect everyone to be just like them. Come on people, love your neighbor. This is the United States. We should allow anyone to move anywhere they want and build a temple anywhere hey want, right?
Now the Hindu knows how certain groups feel now.
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Jack wrote:
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This area is zoned residential. Did you also miss that fact?
and the article said there are plenty of Christian curches in the residential area. did you miss that fact?
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Apr 21, 2008
And right across the street is a large natural gas pumping station. That place is noisy and all lit up.
Almost all of Brecksville Rd in that area is mixed residential and commercial.
Oh jeez Edith
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That's because you are an idiot.
Also, how about we send back whatever "mutt" nationality you belong to?
What if the Native Americans said the same thing about your white-trash family?
We did but you bastards are still here.
CC Baxter
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Apr 21, 2008
Emma wrote:
It this area does not want a Hindu temple in their backyard, perhaps it would be a good idea for them to build else where. If is built, the member of the temple can/will have major problems.
Again, "Jack's" comments about my ignorance notwithstanding, you could use the same rationale about the KKK keeping black people, Jews, or Catholics out of a neighborhood.
In America, someone's right to assemble and peaceably practice their religion should not be predicated on whether someone else "wants it in their backyard". If we did things based on what the majority wanted, the south (or based on this board, the north too) would have never been integrated, because there would still be plenty of racist whites that wouldn't want to share a bathroom, lunch counter, or drinking fountain with blacks.
If by "major problems" you are insinuating that the attendees' safety will be at risk from xenophobic wackos, well, that is what the Richfield police are for.
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Again, "Jack's" comments about my ignorance notwithstanding, you could use the same rationale about the KKK keeping black people, Jews, or Catholics out of a neighborhood.
In America, someone's right to assemble and peaceably practice their religion should not be predicated on whether someone else "wants it in their backyard". If we did things based on what the majority wanted, the south (or based on this board, the north too) would have never been integrated, because there would still be plenty of racist whites that wouldn't want to share a bathroom, lunch counter, or drinking fountain with blacks.
If by "major problems" you are insinuating that the attendees' safety will be at risk from xenophobic wackos, well, that is what the Richfield police are for.
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Apr 21, 2008
As I Hindu myself, I look forward to a place of worhip nearby- I am also pleased with some of the comments made by Dr. Ram Bandi in the paper because this is the real example of what all religions point to- peace, kindness, an open heart to your neighbors, and in Hinduism philosophy- also an open mind- The basis for all bigotry is ignorance and fear.
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Apr 21, 2008
think wrote:
As I Hindu myself, I look forward to a place of worhip nearby- I am also pleased with some of the comments made by Dr. Ram Bandi in the paper because this is the real example of what all religions point to- peace, kindness, an open heart to your neighbors, and in Hinduism philosophy- also an open mind- The basis for all bigotry is ignorance and fear.
god knows there is plenty of both running rampant on these boards. i hope you get your *insert official name for the place of worship* built soon. open minds can equal open hearts. unfortunately, the ruling party right now is dredging up all the closed minds they can find.
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Apr 21, 2008
I was the resident quoted in the story. Unfortunately, Ms. Jenkins took it upon herself to put a racist slant on a story that I very clearly explained to her had nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with trying to maintain a peaceful residential neighborhood. I never said anything about them "chanting and singing." In fact, I begged her to make clear that our position would be the same if this were a school, bank or any other building that wasn't a house. The site we have suggested to the Temple is less than 1/4 mile away from the current site, but is across the street from a hotel and next to another commercial business. The project-if anyone would bother to check-does not meet the code requirements of our Village. That is a simple fact that nobody, not even the Temple can argue with. It has nothing to do with understanding or not understanding their religion. The property is a heavily wooded residential piece of property that the Mayor of the Village had indicated should be preserved. Waterways run through the property that feed into the Furnace Run stream. Disturbing the current make up of that property will affect those waterways and destroy mature trees. It is very convenient to label this a religious or racist argument, and unfortunately that type of commentary has gained momentum, not through any of us, but through the reporters who write the stories in the paper. We have always said and continue to say that we welcome the Temple group to our community and have only asked that they build their structure in a location that suits the purposes of their members and does not detract from the wooded residential and peaceful properties we have worked so hard to build. When "busloads of people" are anticipated by the Temple administrators and in fact bragged about (see Village Planning and Zoning notes) it hardly represents something that is in keeping with the residential flavor of this particular area. We just want to keep houses where there are already houses. Be very clear as you throw your comments around that you know the facts, because it is quite clear that many of you do not.
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Apr 21, 2008
I'd be happy to have a Hindu temple next door to me.
A megachurch, that's another story...
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Apr 21, 2008
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It is interesting to note that just 2 doors South of the proposed building site on the same side of the street there is an Alzheimers nursing facility & Doctor & Dentistry building, but they don't seem to be too concerned about that.
The Alzheimer facility (Pine Valley) is a 24 hr. operation with a lit parking lot.
Their concerns sound a bit suspect perhaps?!
The nursing home and dental buildings were constructed before there were any code requirements in the Village. They are classified as Non-Conforming usage and if destroyed may not be re-constructed. They are out of place and do not belong in the area either. And yes, we have repeatedly raised concerns about the nursing home lighting which the Zoning Inspector refuses to address.
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Beth wrote:
I was the resident quoted in the story. Unfortunately, Ms. Jenkins took it upon herself to put a racist slant on a story that I very clearly explained to her had nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with trying to maintain a peaceful residential neighborhood. I never said anything about them "chanting and singing." In fact, I begged her to make clear that our position would be the same if this were a school, bank or any other building that wasn't a house. The site we have suggested to the Temple is less than 1/4 mile away from the current site, but is across the street from a hotel and next to another commercial business. The project-if anyone would bother to check-does not meet the code requirements of our Village. That is a simple fact that nobody, not even the Temple can argue with. It has nothing to do with understanding or not understanding their religion. The property is a heavily wooded residential piece of property that the Mayor of the Village had indicated should be preserved. Waterways run through the property that feed into the Furnace Run stream. Disturbing the current make up of that property will affect those waterways and destroy mature trees. It is very convenient to label this a religious or racist argument, and unfortunately that type of commentary has gained momentum, not through any of us, but through the reporters who write the stories in the paper. We have always said and continue to say that we welcome the Temple group to our community and have only asked that they build their structure in a location that suits the purposes of their members and does not detract from the wooded residential and peaceful properties we have worked so hard to build. When "busloads of people" are anticipated by the Temple administrators and in fact bragged about (see Village Planning and Zoning notes) it hardly represents something that is in keeping with the residential flavor of this particular area. We just want to keep houses where there are already houses. Be very clear as you throw your comments around that you know the facts, because it is quite clear that many of you do not.
How would a Hindu temple keep you from maintaining a "peaceful" neighborhood? churches have existed peacefully in residential neighborhoods for centuries.
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Beth wrote:
I was the resident quoted in the story. Unfortunately, Ms. Jenkins took it upon herself to put a racist slant on a story that I very clearly explained to her had nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with trying to maintain a peaceful residential neighborhood. I never said anything about them "chanting and singing." In fact, I begged her to make clear that our position would be the same if this were a school, bank or any other building that wasn't a house. The site we have suggested to the Temple is less than 1/4 mile away from the current site, but is across the street from a hotel and next to another commercial business. The project-if anyone would bother to check-does not meet the code requirements of our Village. That is a simple fact that nobody, not even the Temple can argue with. It has nothing to do with understanding or not understanding their religion. The property is a heavily wooded residential piece of property that the Mayor of the Village had indicated should be preserved. Waterways run through the property that feed into the Furnace Run stream. Disturbing the current make up of that property will affect those waterways and destroy mature trees. It is very convenient to label this a religious or racist argument, and unfortunately that type of commentary has gained momentum, not through any of us, but through the reporters who write the stories in the paper. We have always said and continue to say that we welcome the Temple group to our community and have only asked that they build their structure in a location that suits the purposes of their members and does not detract from the wooded residential and peaceful properties we have worked so hard to build. When "busloads of people" are anticipated by the Temple administrators and in fact bragged about (see Village Planning and Zoning notes) it hardly represents something that is in keeping with the residential flavor of this particular area. We just want to keep houses where there are already houses. Be very clear as you throw your comments around that you know the facts, because it is quite clear that many of you do not.
Beth,
Given the description you provided, I would have second thoughts - since, as you say, the article did not present it that way. Sounds as if there are 2 issues - preservation of the wooded area (reasonable, but not primary) and the code issues (is primary). If the construction does not meet code - then I certainly would agree you should bring the issue up.
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How would a Hindu temple keep you from maintaining a "peaceful" neighborhood? churches have existed peacefully in residential neighborhoods for centuries.
Because this particular congregation holds its services from 9a.m.-9p.m., we feel that this is in excess to what is typical of other churches. The plans for this group also originally contained a community center to be used for extra/social activities. They have removed the center for now but have reworked a community room into their plan. Through quite a bit of research, we have learned that expansion is probable. This is a cause for concern. The congregation of this church is regional, not local and the particular location they wish to build on is at the bottom of a hill with site lines that make stopping a hazard. Combine the hazard of one car turning with a number of cars stopping to turn and you magnify a safety issue. The site we suggested slightly down the road has a safe approach, directly from the freeway with an entrance from a 4 lane road. The road in front of the current site is 2 lanes and is heavily trafficed by trucks. Additionally, if you choose to live next to a church, bank, school or other building that invites an influx of people, that is your choice. If you choose to live next to other residential properties that are heavily wooded, that should be preserved.
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Apr 21, 2008
You would think the Hindu folks would not want to be some place that causes problems ,since they strive for harmony in their religion. They want to be in a more secluded spot and the neighbors want to keep their places secluded. Gotta go with the neighbors on this one.
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As a resident of Richfield I am upset about allegations made by Beth. Contrary to her statement, the Hindu Temple DOES meet code specifications, and the only action the Planning Commission could legally take is to allow the plan. After the Commission ruled on this issue, Beth began a series of VERY personal attacks on members of the Commission and others who voiced their support of the Commission's action. She monopolized discussion at public meetings, crying and sobbing about the many hardships she would personally suffer if the Temple were built in the proposed location. She and her husband have put their house up for sale and plan to move out of the community. I say that Richfield will be a better Village without her, and I, for one, would welcome the Hindus with open arms. We are fortunate to live in a community that has always been open to everyone, and I hope never to see that change. Thanks for giving me a venue to express my point of view.
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Apr 21, 2008
Do you go to church? Then it is none of your business! Do you believe in Jesus? Then it is none of your business. Do you go to Bible Study in the middle of the week? Then it is none of your business!
If a Jewish Temple can be resurrected anywhere, you should have known as America opened its arms; educated their people, that this would happen sooner or later.
Did you do anything to stop it?
Then it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS NOW!
You should have not turned your head when it first started back 50 years ago.
Revelation playing itself out.
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Apr 21, 2008
Do you go to church? Then it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Do you go to Bible Study? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Do you have a Gaming Room next to you? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Do you have a bar/tavern in your neighborhood? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
If you couldn't keep these out, you will not keep a Hindu temple out.
We allowed them to come here to America with 'open' arms-educated them 'all'; except for our own for 'free'.
Now the subtle takeover, because you did nothing about it but bury your head in the sand. Oh what's one more.
Well here we are, Revelation playing itself out.
Suffer your fate!
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This area is zoned residential. Did you also miss that fact?
You obviously don't understand how zoning works.
There are reams of case law, stacks of legal briefs, and millions of hours of litigation tied up in the simplistic statement "This area is zoned residential".
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god forbid. as the 'melting pot' that we were once known as, and all of us have benefitted from...it's so refreshing to see the culture of paranoia that has pervaded the united states.
xenophobia can be used as crowd control, similar to religion, to very negative ends.
let the temple be built, even go check it out! you might learn something. embrace other religions, learn about them. it doesn't mean you have to follow them, or even believe in the same ideals, but it never hurts to learn. unless you're in the Akron Public Schools...
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I would! Boot em back to Africa.
Of course you would.
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Apr 21, 2008
This is fear of the unknown - nothing more, nothing less. If the rules are followed, there should be no reason why this church/temple shouldn't be built. I know of no laws that say a religious building can't be built in a residential neighborhood.
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THE BRICK SLAYER wrote:
relax some of those hindu women are really hot, and don't forget the kama sutra! wow i wish i had a hindu temple to go to, sit by some hot hindu chicks and study the kama sutra with them. sexy hot hindu chicks F%*% YEAH
My, how very urbane you are.
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Apr 21, 2008
Hey R-Tards, Hindu's never attacked us. I hate NIMBY's
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I would! Boot em back to Africa.
Of course - this guy lives in the Falls. Grow up.
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Would you say the same thing if you replaced the words "black people" with "Hindu temple"?
Do you enjoy making ignorant statements, if you're going to try to compare apples-to-apples, then do so. Your example is apples and oranges (people to a building).
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Apr 21, 2008
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But if they have been sleeping on their rights regarding other large, well-lit structures in the area, they'll have an uphill battle to fight.
Based on what statutes and/or case law?
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Apr 21, 2008
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You obviously don't understand how zoning works.
There are reams of case law, stacks of legal briefs, and millions of hours of litigation tied up in the simplistic statement "This area is zoned residential".
Comparing a nursing home to a mega-religion place are not the same.
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Apr 21, 2008
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People in the suburbs are such bumpkins. Parking lot light glare? Give me a break.
While I wholeheartedly disagree on their "parking lot lights" and "strangers coming in" reasonings, not all of us suburban folks are "bumpkins."
I see the building of this as opening up a huge can of worms.
Jack
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Apr 21, 2008
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I would be honored to have a Hindu temple in my neighboorhood.
Not only wealthy, smart, and clean...but also peaceful, hardworking, and very devotional.
Seems like a win/win to me.
It would be IF they were residing there.
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Apr 21, 2008
If the members lives in the same area it would be great. You would think they would want to put this closer to their members. I can understand them wanting to put it in a nice quiet area but it's not looking like it's going to be that way.
it's just the way things are. Just like your not going to put a black church in the middle of white neighborhood.(even though I wouldn't mind, those churches get down) just like your not going to put a Jewish church in the middle of a muslim neighborhood.(now that would be funny)
If the people who live there don't want it there then so be it, find another location.
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#45
Apr 21, 2008
I worked next to a Temple in Florida and the only problems we had was the trafic jams on Friday afternoon. They had to use the local police to direct traffic and it did cause major back up on a busy main road.
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#47
Apr 21, 2008
I hear all these people saying to put the temple where the followers live. It's not that simple. These folks will come from all over the place to worship, not one little area. This isn't a dime-a-dozen neighborhood chruch that opens up on the corner then starts recruiting new parishioners from the area. This is a temple for families that don't want to drive even farther to visit their place of worship.
For those residents concerned about the noise of "chanting and singing" that would pollute their neighborhood, I urge them to drive past any Christian church during a service and listen. I live within a couple blocks of two churches and cannot hear any singing, praying, or organ music from my house. I do, however, hear the tolling of the bells... which is something you will not hear as frequently from the Hindu temple.
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Apr 21, 2008
''Why has Richfield become the place where all these odd religions want to be?''
Gotta love it. In the U.S., everyone has the freedom to worship their own religion.
As long as it's not an odd one.
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Apr 21, 2008
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Thanks, DNB. You are so right. Hinduism is also the oldest "living" religion. I dare say other religions borrowed some of their concepts from Hinduism and that told their people the religion was pagan. Hinduism has the concept of one God. It also has a Trinity. It also has saints and angels. Some scholars believe that Jesus' sermon on the mount is a compilation of Hindu and Jewish sayings. Hindus also have the most incredible respect for life - especially human life! The idiot bigots need to get their acts together. You want good neighbors? You want safe neighbors? You want the value of your neighborhood preserved? Well welcome the Hindus with open arms then. Help them move in!
surely you're not from akron. you speak so well! LOL
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Apr 21, 2008
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''Why has Richfield become the place where all these odd religions want to be?''
Gotta love it. In the U.S., everyone has the freedom to worship their own religion.
As long as it's not an odd one.
Rev Moon and his Moonies have taken over Lake City Florida. They have tried to get rid of them for years. Muslims are nothing like those crazy moonies. Interesting reading.
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Apr 21, 2008
B_Radley wrote:
''Why has Richfield become the place where all these odd religions want to be?''
Gotta love it. In the U.S., everyone has the freedom to worship their own religion.
As long as it's not an odd one.
LOL exactly. and the only one who doesn't rate as odd is christian. jews are out. hindus? toast. buddhists? they're too noisy with all that 'ohm'-ing and what-not. voodoo? too many blacks for my neighborhood. but if you wanna put up a church, go right ahead...i'll donate my garage for jeebus
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Apr 21, 2008
I think it's a great idea. Then they can all be hired to work customer service phone lines that currently are routed to India!
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''Why has Richfield become the place where all these odd religions want to be?''
Gotta love it. In the U.S., everyone has the freedom to worship their own religion.
As long as it's not an odd one.
True. Sad, but true. If there was a cross on the building, all would be well.
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Apr 21, 2008
It this area does not want a Hindu temple in their backyard, perhaps it would be a good idea for them to build else where. If is built, the member of the temple can/will have major problems.
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Apr 21, 2008
Can't we all just get along?
Americans are very unrealistic:they expect everyone to be just like them. Come on people, love your neighbor. This is the United States. We should allow anyone to move anywhere they want and build a temple anywhere hey want, right?
Now the Hindu knows how certain groups feel now.
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Apr 21, 2008
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This area is zoned residential. Did you also miss that fact?
and the article said there are plenty of Christian curches in the residential area. did you miss that fact?
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Apr 21, 2008
And right across the street is a large natural gas pumping station. That place is noisy and all lit up.
Almost all of Brecksville Rd in that area is mixed residential and commercial.
Oh jeez Edith
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That's because you are an idiot.
Also, how about we send back whatever "mutt" nationality you belong to?
What if the Native Americans said the same thing about your white-trash family?
We did but you bastards are still here.
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Apr 21, 2008
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It this area does not want a Hindu temple in their backyard, perhaps it would be a good idea for them to build else where. If is built, the member of the temple can/will have major problems.
Again, "Jack's" comments about my ignorance notwithstanding, you could use the same rationale about the KKK keeping black people, Jews, or Catholics out of a neighborhood.
In America, someone's right to assemble and peaceably practice their religion should not be predicated on whether someone else "wants it in their backyard". If we did things based on what the majority wanted, the south (or based on this board, the north too) would have never been integrated, because there would still be plenty of racist whites that wouldn't want to share a bathroom, lunch counter, or drinking fountain with blacks.
If by "major problems" you are insinuating that the attendees' safety will be at risk from xenophobic wackos, well, that is what the Richfield police are for.
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Again, "Jack's" comments about my ignorance notwithstanding, you could use the same rationale about the KKK keeping black people, Jews, or Catholics out of a neighborhood.
In America, someone's right to assemble and peaceably practice their religion should not be predicated on whether someone else "wants it in their backyard". If we did things based on what the majority wanted, the south (or based on this board, the north too) would have never been integrated, because there would still be plenty of racist whites that wouldn't want to share a bathroom, lunch counter, or drinking fountain with blacks.
If by "major problems" you are insinuating that the attendees' safety will be at risk from xenophobic wackos, well, that is what the Richfield police are for.
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Apr 21, 2008
As I Hindu myself, I look forward to a place of worhip nearby- I am also pleased with some of the comments made by Dr. Ram Bandi in the paper because this is the real example of what all religions point to- peace, kindness, an open heart to your neighbors, and in Hinduism philosophy- also an open mind- The basis for all bigotry is ignorance and fear.
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Apr 21, 2008
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As I Hindu myself, I look forward to a place of worhip nearby- I am also pleased with some of the comments made by Dr. Ram Bandi in the paper because this is the real example of what all religions point to- peace, kindness, an open heart to your neighbors, and in Hinduism philosophy- also an open mind- The basis for all bigotry is ignorance and fear.
god knows there is plenty of both running rampant on these boards. i hope you get your *insert official name for the place of worship* built soon. open minds can equal open hearts. unfortunately, the ruling party right now is dredging up all the closed minds they can find.
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I was the resident quoted in the story. Unfortunately, Ms. Jenkins took it upon herself to put a racist slant on a story that I very clearly explained to her had nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with trying to maintain a peaceful residential neighborhood. I never said anything about them "chanting and singing." In fact, I begged her to make clear that our position would be the same if this were a school, bank or any other building that wasn't a house. The site we have suggested to the Temple is less than 1/4 mile away from the current site, but is across the street from a hotel and next to another commercial business. The project-if anyone would bother to check-does not meet the code requirements of our Village. That is a simple fact that nobody, not even the Temple can argue with. It has nothing to do with understanding or not understanding their religion. The property is a heavily wooded residential piece of property that the Mayor of the Village had indicated should be preserved. Waterways run through the property that feed into the Furnace Run stream. Disturbing the current make up of that property will affect those waterways and destroy mature trees. It is very convenient to label this a religious or racist argument, and unfortunately that type of commentary has gained momentum, not through any of us, but through the reporters who write the stories in the paper. We have always said and continue to say that we welcome the Temple group to our community and have only asked that they build their structure in a location that suits the purposes of their members and does not detract from the wooded residential and peaceful properties we have worked so hard to build. When "busloads of people" are anticipated by the Temple administrators and in fact bragged about (see Village Planning and Zoning notes) it hardly represents something that is in keeping with the residential flavor of this particular area. We just want to keep houses where there are already houses. Be very clear as you throw your comments around that you know the facts, because it is quite clear that many of you do not.
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Apr 21, 2008
I'd be happy to have a Hindu temple next door to me.
A megachurch, that's another story...
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Apr 21, 2008
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It is interesting to note that just 2 doors South of the proposed building site on the same side of the street there is an Alzheimers nursing facility & Doctor & Dentistry building, but they don't seem to be too concerned about that.
The Alzheimer facility (Pine Valley) is a 24 hr. operation with a lit parking lot.
Their concerns sound a bit suspect perhaps?!
The nursing home and dental buildings were constructed before there were any code requirements in the Village. They are classified as Non-Conforming usage and if destroyed may not be re-constructed. They are out of place and do not belong in the area either. And yes, we have repeatedly raised concerns about the nursing home lighting which the Zoning Inspector refuses to address.
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I was the resident quoted in the story. Unfortunately, Ms. Jenkins took it upon herself to put a racist slant on a story that I very clearly explained to her had nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with trying to maintain a peaceful residential neighborhood. I never said anything about them "chanting and singing." In fact, I begged her to make clear that our position would be the same if this were a school, bank or any other building that wasn't a house. The site we have suggested to the Temple is less than 1/4 mile away from the current site, but is across the street from a hotel and next to another commercial business. The project-if anyone would bother to check-does not meet the code requirements of our Village. That is a simple fact that nobody, not even the Temple can argue with. It has nothing to do with understanding or not understanding their religion. The property is a heavily wooded residential piece of property that the Mayor of the Village had indicated should be preserved. Waterways run through the property that feed into the Furnace Run stream. Disturbing the current make up of that property will affect those waterways and destroy mature trees. It is very convenient to label this a religious or racist argument, and unfortunately that type of commentary has gained momentum, not through any of us, but through the reporters who write the stories in the paper. We have always said and continue to say that we welcome the Temple group to our community and have only asked that they build their structure in a location that suits the purposes of their members and does not detract from the wooded residential and peaceful properties we have worked so hard to build. When "busloads of people" are anticipated by the Temple administrators and in fact bragged about (see Village Planning and Zoning notes) it hardly represents something that is in keeping with the residential flavor of this particular area. We just want to keep houses where there are already houses. Be very clear as you throw your comments around that you know the facts, because it is quite clear that many of you do not.
How would a Hindu temple keep you from maintaining a "peaceful" neighborhood? churches have existed peacefully in residential neighborhoods for centuries.
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I was the resident quoted in the story. Unfortunately, Ms. Jenkins took it upon herself to put a racist slant on a story that I very clearly explained to her had nothing to do with race or religion and everything to do with trying to maintain a peaceful residential neighborhood. I never said anything about them "chanting and singing." In fact, I begged her to make clear that our position would be the same if this were a school, bank or any other building that wasn't a house. The site we have suggested to the Temple is less than 1/4 mile away from the current site, but is across the street from a hotel and next to another commercial business. The project-if anyone would bother to check-does not meet the code requirements of our Village. That is a simple fact that nobody, not even the Temple can argue with. It has nothing to do with understanding or not understanding their religion. The property is a heavily wooded residential piece of property that the Mayor of the Village had indicated should be preserved. Waterways run through the property that feed into the Furnace Run stream. Disturbing the current make up of that property will affect those waterways and destroy mature trees. It is very convenient to label this a religious or racist argument, and unfortunately that type of commentary has gained momentum, not through any of us, but through the reporters who write the stories in the paper. We have always said and continue to say that we welcome the Temple group to our community and have only asked that they build their structure in a location that suits the purposes of their members and does not detract from the wooded residential and peaceful properties we have worked so hard to build. When "busloads of people" are anticipated by the Temple administrators and in fact bragged about (see Village Planning and Zoning notes) it hardly represents something that is in keeping with the residential flavor of this particular area. We just want to keep houses where there are already houses. Be very clear as you throw your comments around that you know the facts, because it is quite clear that many of you do not.
Beth,
Given the description you provided, I would have second thoughts - since, as you say, the article did not present it that way. Sounds as if there are 2 issues - preservation of the wooded area (reasonable, but not primary) and the code issues (is primary). If the construction does not meet code - then I certainly would agree you should bring the issue up.
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How would a Hindu temple keep you from maintaining a "peaceful" neighborhood? churches have existed peacefully in residential neighborhoods for centuries.
Because this particular congregation holds its services from 9a.m.-9p.m., we feel that this is in excess to what is typical of other churches. The plans for this group also originally contained a community center to be used for extra/social activities. They have removed the center for now but have reworked a community room into their plan. Through quite a bit of research, we have learned that expansion is probable. This is a cause for concern. The congregation of this church is regional, not local and the particular location they wish to build on is at the bottom of a hill with site lines that make stopping a hazard. Combine the hazard of one car turning with a number of cars stopping to turn and you magnify a safety issue. The site we suggested slightly down the road has a safe approach, directly from the freeway with an entrance from a 4 lane road. The road in front of the current site is 2 lanes and is heavily trafficed by trucks. Additionally, if you choose to live next to a church, bank, school or other building that invites an influx of people, that is your choice. If you choose to live next to other residential properties that are heavily wooded, that should be preserved.
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Apr 21, 2008
You would think the Hindu folks would not want to be some place that causes problems ,since they strive for harmony in their religion. They want to be in a more secluded spot and the neighbors want to keep their places secluded. Gotta go with the neighbors on this one.
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Apr 21, 2008
As a resident of Richfield I am upset about allegations made by Beth. Contrary to her statement, the Hindu Temple DOES meet code specifications, and the only action the Planning Commission could legally take is to allow the plan. After the Commission ruled on this issue, Beth began a series of VERY personal attacks on members of the Commission and others who voiced their support of the Commission's action. She monopolized discussion at public meetings, crying and sobbing about the many hardships she would personally suffer if the Temple were built in the proposed location. She and her husband have put their house up for sale and plan to move out of the community. I say that Richfield will be a better Village without her, and I, for one, would welcome the Hindus with open arms. We are fortunate to live in a community that has always been open to everyone, and I hope never to see that change. Thanks for giving me a venue to express my point of view.
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Apr 21, 2008
Do you go to church? Then it is none of your business! Do you believe in Jesus? Then it is none of your business. Do you go to Bible Study in the middle of the week? Then it is none of your business!
If a Jewish Temple can be resurrected anywhere, you should have known as America opened its arms; educated their people, that this would happen sooner or later.
Did you do anything to stop it?
Then it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS NOW!
You should have not turned your head when it first started back 50 years ago.
Revelation playing itself out.
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Apr 21, 2008
Do you go to church? Then it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Do you go to Bible Study? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Do you have a Gaming Room next to you? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Do you have a bar/tavern in your neighborhood? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
If you couldn't keep these out, you will not keep a Hindu temple out.
We allowed them to come here to America with 'open' arms-educated them 'all'; except for our own for 'free'.
Now the subtle takeover, because you did nothing about it but bury your head in the sand. Oh what's one more.
Well here we are, Revelation playing itself out.
Suffer your fate!