12-09-2008, 06:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't believe any socialist would suggest that you can make cars without employing labor, so relax. The problem is, How much labor. Let's say you can employ 10 people to produce a certain commodity and make X profit. But employing 5, you can reduce labor costs and let's say you can make 5 times X. As a capitalist, you'd rather cut down jobs to increase profits. But that's not all. Labor hours for the 5 workers will be increased to account for the reduction in the workforce, which is why we still have sweatshops and such precarious working conditions.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure, I would. But, I am laying off jobs that <i>I created in the first place!</i> Let me repeat, these are the jobs that I created. <b>I don't owe the workers a living.</b> I can lay them off if I can get a better profit by employing a fewer number. But again, these jobs were created by me. Also, I don't see what is wrong with a capitalist making a profit. It is his money. He is taking a big risk. It is his idea. How else is he going to make a living?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So not is only unemployment inevitable (because it serves the capitalist), but those who're employed will be forced to produce surplus value to compensate for it. All because capitalists want profit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Unemployment does not serve the capitalist, anymore than employment does. Also how are workers <i>forced</i> to produce surplus value? They don't have to, they can just leave the job. And, yes capitalists want profit.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Not a coincidence that labor is moving from west to India (outsourcing), it's because capitalists want cheap labor from India to make profits. Which means, Americans will be out of jobs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, Americans will be out of jobs. Those jobs are not owed to Americans, anymore than they are owed to Indians.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If Americans can provide the same cheap labor, Indians will be out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Perfect! That is how the system is supposed to work. If someone else can perform a service at a cheaper price than I can, he will be paid for it.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure, I would. But, I am laying off jobs that <i>I created in the first place!</i> Let me repeat, these are the jobs that I created. <b>I don't owe the workers a living.</b> I can lay them off if I can get a better profit by employing a fewer number. But again, these jobs were created by me. Also, I don't see what is wrong with a capitalist making a profit. It is his money. He is taking a big risk. It is his idea. How else is he going to make a living?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So not is only unemployment inevitable (because it serves the capitalist), but those who're employed will be forced to produce surplus value to compensate for it. All because capitalists want profit.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Unemployment does not serve the capitalist, anymore than employment does. Also how are workers <i>forced</i> to produce surplus value? They don't have to, they can just leave the job. And, yes capitalists want profit.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Not a coincidence that labor is moving from west to India (outsourcing), it's because capitalists want cheap labor from India to make profits. Which means, Americans will be out of jobs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, Americans will be out of jobs. Those jobs are not owed to Americans, anymore than they are owed to Indians.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If Americans can provide the same cheap labor, Indians will be out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Perfect! That is how the system is supposed to work. If someone else can perform a service at a cheaper price than I can, he will be paid for it.