<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Most minority groups in US (say blacks and native Americans) have had to fight tooth-nail in court-rooms to have their civil rights back.[right][snapback]95412[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Native Americans have nowhere near the rights they should have. Even recently the American government expressly started dumping waste on one of the few remaining sacred Native American grounds. And from a documentary recently aired here, the memorial space to IIRC Sitting Bull (even though he was a convert) is being encroached upon.
And if there exists any real fair chance, then why, in 21st century US, should Hindus who are tax-paying US citizens have to fight *court* cases to get the equal rights that the US keeps advertising? (Compare: civil unions here were just implemented in straightforward manner by the government when they did their review of civil unions and rights of partners in relationships. No fighting or court cases necessary.) Why is Hindu religion targeted in this manner in the US? For the same reason why US universities' writers write books defaming RKP, Shivaji, our Gods etcetera and then try to get these books released in Bharatam. US non-fiction books talk about how several universities (including IIRC Stanford; and I seem to imagine Harvard too?) are closely linked with the US government. These games they play are not innocent.
It's part of the US' project for Hindus, Hindu Dharma and Bharatam. USAID's World Vision and ultimately Joshua Project are also the US government's pet projects.
So it's not <i>unexpected</i> that there is small chance that Hindus - however excellently they may have mounted a defence - would succeed with their case in the US itself, since it is *intended* that the US situation be referenced back in India "look, even their textbooks say thus and so about the evilllls of Hindooooism" and that the Indian plants would like to support similar materials in India by appealing to US 'authority' again.
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sorry it's not simple. In democratic societies (which Germany in 40s wasn't), people don't run away from issues, but follow the process that's granted to an individual by the constitution and law of the land. That's exactly what HAF did and CAPEEM's doing.[right][snapback]95412[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->US has the veneer of a democracy. And the <i>promise</i> of equal rights is merely a silencing/pacifying mechanism.
Curious for a democratic society to require being sustained by the murder of Yugoslavia, and by meddling in Nepal, and by meddling in India. And of course the carefully conducted, regular updates in their media on how raoul is our crown prince and how Modi is a villain ('genocide', 'genocide'):
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/atl...m-atlantic.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wednesday, March 11, 2009
<b>Atlanticist Propaganda from The Atlantic</b>
Robert Kaplan of The Atlantic Monthly does a hatchet-job on Narendra Modi.
Posted by san at 3/11/2009 05:35:00 AM 3 comments
Labels: atlanticism, gujarat, gutter inspector, modi, persecution industry, pseudo-history, pseudo-secular <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->For an 'innocent', 'democratic' government, the US sure seems to be extremely insistent on being wilfully ignorant and on propagating their lies - I mean, their 'misunderstandings'.
All of this is intentional on their part. The sooner people realise that, the less disappointed they will be by any unpleasant outcomes - unpleasant they may be, but unpredictable they're not. If things were fair, Hindus *would* be the winners in this. But the US government has rigged the board. It's unlikely that Hindus - in spite of their believing the system to be fair - will be <i>allowed</i> to win.
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->So HAF and CAPEEMs deserve credit for their efforts. Seems like we have lost sight of the trees in forest.[right][snapback]95412[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Viren, my comment and Elst's writings are <i>entirely</i> different. They can't be conflated.
Also, I'm not discrediting Hindus' efforts in the US, they do what they can. Merely
- stating that there is a bigger and more important drama that Hindus ought to be focussing on. And all of that is in Bharatam. It's what ultimately matters.
- and pointing out that it is not in the US' interests that Hindus win their case. And that Hindus, regardless of their efforts to redress the situation, will continue to be ridiculed, slighted and deliberately misrepresented in education and other areas, for being Hindus: it is both American social pressure and social engineering.
And if there exists any real fair chance, then why, in 21st century US, should Hindus who are tax-paying US citizens have to fight *court* cases to get the equal rights that the US keeps advertising? (Compare: civil unions here were just implemented in straightforward manner by the government when they did their review of civil unions and rights of partners in relationships. No fighting or court cases necessary.) Why is Hindu religion targeted in this manner in the US? For the same reason why US universities' writers write books defaming RKP, Shivaji, our Gods etcetera and then try to get these books released in Bharatam. US non-fiction books talk about how several universities (including IIRC Stanford; and I seem to imagine Harvard too?) are closely linked with the US government. These games they play are not innocent.
It's part of the US' project for Hindus, Hindu Dharma and Bharatam. USAID's World Vision and ultimately Joshua Project are also the US government's pet projects.
So it's not <i>unexpected</i> that there is small chance that Hindus - however excellently they may have mounted a defence - would succeed with their case in the US itself, since it is *intended* that the US situation be referenced back in India "look, even their textbooks say thus and so about the evilllls of Hindooooism" and that the Indian plants would like to support similar materials in India by appealing to US 'authority' again.
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sorry it's not simple. In democratic societies (which Germany in 40s wasn't), people don't run away from issues, but follow the process that's granted to an individual by the constitution and law of the land. That's exactly what HAF did and CAPEEM's doing.[right][snapback]95412[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->US has the veneer of a democracy. And the <i>promise</i> of equal rights is merely a silencing/pacifying mechanism.
Curious for a democratic society to require being sustained by the murder of Yugoslavia, and by meddling in Nepal, and by meddling in India. And of course the carefully conducted, regular updates in their media on how raoul is our crown prince and how Modi is a villain ('genocide', 'genocide'):
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/03/atl...m-atlantic.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Wednesday, March 11, 2009
<b>Atlanticist Propaganda from The Atlantic</b>
Robert Kaplan of The Atlantic Monthly does a hatchet-job on Narendra Modi.
Posted by san at 3/11/2009 05:35:00 AM 3 comments
Labels: atlanticism, gujarat, gutter inspector, modi, persecution industry, pseudo-history, pseudo-secular <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->For an 'innocent', 'democratic' government, the US sure seems to be extremely insistent on being wilfully ignorant and on propagating their lies - I mean, their 'misunderstandings'.
All of this is intentional on their part. The sooner people realise that, the less disappointed they will be by any unpleasant outcomes - unpleasant they may be, but unpredictable they're not. If things were fair, Hindus *would* be the winners in this. But the US government has rigged the board. It's unlikely that Hindus - in spite of their believing the system to be fair - will be <i>allowed</i> to win.
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ Mar 12 2009, 02:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->So HAF and CAPEEMs deserve credit for their efforts. Seems like we have lost sight of the trees in forest.[right][snapback]95412[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Viren, my comment and Elst's writings are <i>entirely</i> different. They can't be conflated.
Also, I'm not discrediting Hindus' efforts in the US, they do what they can. Merely
- stating that there is a bigger and more important drama that Hindus ought to be focussing on. And all of that is in Bharatam. It's what ultimately matters.
- and pointing out that it is not in the US' interests that Hindus win their case. And that Hindus, regardless of their efforts to redress the situation, will continue to be ridiculed, slighted and deliberately misrepresented in education and other areas, for being Hindus: it is both American social pressure and social engineering.