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<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+May 16 2009, 02:41 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ May 16 2009, 02:41 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vigil Online: The U.S And The USCIRF - There Is No End To Their Impertinence
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1. The recent email prologue to the above 2002 Vigil article at the Rajeev2004 blog:
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/rad...f-in-india.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>radha rajan: The USCIRF in India</b>
may 11th, 2009
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From: Radha Rajan
Date: Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM
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The Italian Christian-led Congress-led UPA government has taken the unprecedented step of inviting the USCIRF to visit Gujarat and Orissa to write their officious reports on religious freedom. The padre from Gujarat Cedric Prakash has made the fooliosh remark that Narendra Modi must win the approval of western nations (read US) if he has to become the Prime Minister of India and that the visit by the USCIRF has been welcomed by Gujaratis in the US who want the US State Department to remove Modi from their anti-Christ list and give Modi a visa to the US. I have been brought up in a middle-class brahmin family and much as I am tempted to give expression to what I think of such officiousness, I will confine myself to sending you all what I wrote about the USCIRF in 2002. Like many things I said and wrote several years ago, nothing has changed. RR<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/upa...-with-long.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>UPA government has broken with a long-standing policy of disallowing intrusive fact-finding visits from America</b>
may 11th, 2009
yeah, let a bunch of busybody baptist bigots sit in judgment on us. of course, arch-liers like john dayal and cedric prakash will be the star witnesses.
then manmohan singh can be 'ashamed' all over again.
of course, he is not ashamed that hindus and sikhs are being forced to pay jaziya in taliban-controlled af-pak.
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In its last days in office, the UPA government has broken with a long-standing policy of disallowing intrusive fact-finding visits from America
<b>Delhi allows scrutiny of religious freedom</b>
K.P. Nayar
www.telegraphindia.com/1090503/jsp/nation/story_10911531.jsp
Washington, May 2: In its last days in office, the UPA government has broken with a long-standing policy of disallowing intrusive fact-finding visits from America and permitted a religious vigilante state body from the US to sit in judgement on the extent of India's religious freedom.
The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), a statutory body created by the US Congress and funded by the US government, announced yesterday that its members will "travel to India for the first time in June 2009".
Pending this scrutiny of the extent of religious freedom in the country, the Commission has put off its annual report on conditions in India and promised that it will only "release its report on India during this summer" after its members assess the conditions first hand.
Ever since the US Congress passed an International Religious Freedom Act 1998 and created the USCIRF, it has been trying to visit India, but New Delhi has consistently told the Commission's members that they will not be given visas for an official visit if they applied for one.
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3. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/pum...n-dasgupta.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pumpkin republic- by Swapan Dasgupta</b>
may 11th, 2009
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Fr. Cedric Prakash, photographed here receiving the <b>Chevalier de la Legion d' Honneur Award</b> from the French Ambassador in New Delhi on 14th July 2006, is well known in some circles as a resolute defender of "human rights" in Gujarat.
(What, Ceddie wasn't made a most catholic Knight of Malta?)
In June, a delegation from the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) is scheduled to visit India. The team will travel to Gujarat and Orissa. Fr Prakash had testified before USCIRF in June 2002 after the Gujarat riots.
The idea of a US body investigating religious freedom in India is a bit disturbing. Fr Prakash's take on the subject is, however, fascinating.
<b>In the Mail Today of May 8, 2009, page 9, he is quoted as saying:</b>
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(This is the US and Vatican talking through "good native" minion Father Cedric Procrass.)
Fr. Prakash does himself proud with such an honest articulation of his beliefs.
http://www.swapan55.com/2009/05/pumpkin-republic.html
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<b>hilda raja: will USCIRF check out sister abhaya's murder in a christist nunnery? of course not
</b>may 12th, 2009
or will it look into the case of the poor 'vampire of cochin' whose religious freedom has been violated? godman ratzy took this fellow, one bishop thattunkal, to the vatican and did not allow him to get 'spiritial nourishment' for a sexy 25-year-old woman who he was fraternizing with. down with religious oppression of christists! thattunkal, who is about 60, should have every right to get 'spritual nourishment' (or whatever) from a nubile 25-year-old!
or will it consider how hindu temples are being burned by christists?
let us also ask if there is a side trip by the USCIRF to Swat (after all, all yank dignitaries have to make a pak trip along with an india trip to be 'even-handed'). they can counsel their pals the taliban to stop killing hindus and sikhs.
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<b>USCIRF â will it visit convents where nuns are raped? - By Hilda Raja
The UPA government's unprecedented step of inviting the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) to visit Gujarat and Orissa is not only disturbing, but also portents greater harm to the harmony and unity of the country.
It exposes India to international policing which has ramifications on the integrity and sovereignty of the nation. Today it can be a Commission; why not later an army for the purpose of protecting minorities? The basic premise is the same.</b>
Hypothetically, let's imagine that the Commission faults the government of both States for failure to protect minorities. Should Naveen Patnaik and Narendra Modi appear before this Commission and plead guilty - or plead innocent - and with all humility accept the penalty it will impose? Can there be a greater insult to democracy and to the sovereignty of this country?
It is invasion - be it territorial, social or religious. No matter which area, invasiveness of any kind cannot be accepted. What is the role of the Congress-led UPA government? Does it not stand indicted for impotency to curb violence? It cannot abdicate responsibility and obligation to protect minorities and rein in State governments. If this is logically followed, the accused is the CongressâManmohan Singh - proof of his political weakness. Which country would tolerate such invasion and interference in its internal affairs? Are we bonded to the USA? No patriotic Indian, irrespective of religion, would accept the policing of this nation by outside agencies.
Can the Catholic Bishops Conference of India (CBCI) and the INDIAN Churches which objected to such invasiveness nine years ago now make a U-turn? In the course of five years, what is the persecution witnessed in India. Brahmin Pundits killed in hundreds and chased away from J&K under ethnic cleansing has not raised international concerns. The furore caused by wrongful reporting of the rape of five nuns in Jhabua was set right when the nuns themselves gave interviews stating it had nothing to do with religion. Indeed, the culprits were converted tribals.
In Orissa, the massacre of Swami Laxmanananda and his disciples led to clashes in which Christians and Hindus were equally victims.
('Equally' victims? How so? Hilda agrees that the christians indulged in the initiating orgy of murder which invited angry and violent reaction. And now she declares the unfortunate maths of affected human lives to be "equal". It is NOT equal. If I stomp on some IF member - pick one - and they beat me back out of indignation, suddenly I am equally a victim? <- Some really brave 'logic'. So we are entitled to equal recompense and/or equal punishment? Yet I am the one - in this hypothetical scenario - that is a threat to society: I go out of my way to hit out at someone while others are merely naturally reacting to the violence. No court of law would fine us equally.
But equality in christianism and islamism seems to forever have a meaning apart from what it does in basic algebra.
Moreover, the government is not treating these "equal" victims equally, is it: the christians have demanded special compensation and reparation for Orissa christians, for their claim of being the "most affected" victims on the "receiving-end".
Christian terrorism murders and insists on getting rewarded for it too.)
<b>The infamous Gujarat riots are being investigated by the Special Investigation Team, but earlier versions and gory stories of brutality, rape and massacres narrated by activist Teesta Setalvad were found faked, cooked up, witnesses and statements doctored; hence the Supreme Court rejected the bundle of lies.</b>
Against this backdrop, Congress allowing UNCIRF to enquire into violence against minorities is political in intent and has everything to do with further dividing the people on religious grounds. Will UNCIRF be allowed to enter Pakistan or any Islamic country where there is discrimination against minorities?
Congress and Christian churches seem to conspire against Hindus. This is evident when one looks at the pre-election scenario. In April, the Catholic Bishops Conference of India issued a 'Ten Commandments' type of list of dos and don'ts for Catholics. Sure, it did not specify which party to vote for. But this was followed by a number of churches scripting prayers for the 'flock,' couched in appeals to God to bring in a party which will allow religious freedom and uphold the same guaranteed in the Constitution. Across India, the entire Christian community was galvanized by such covert campaigning. In Karnataka, a priest had the audacity to openly tell the 'flock' not to vote for the BJP. Joining hands with Muslim leaders, Catholic leaders also issued a fatwa, overtly and covertly compelling the 'flock' to vote for Congress.
The Election Commission is unmindful of this religio-political mix; this blatant communalism. When Advani appeals to Hindu religious leaders, the EC becomes alert and people like John Dayal condemn it. It is only when Hindu organizations and BJP politicians appeal to people that the ire of the EC is provoked. Then the media comes out with secular advocacy and condemns the communalism of BJP and its allies.
<b>Church double-speak has exposed its ulterior motive - nine years ago (Sept 2000) CBCI described as "unwarranted" the proposed hearing on religious freedom in India by UNCIRF, and distanced itself from John Dayal, saying he was attending it in his individual capacity. It is relevant to recall what Christian MPs felt then.</b> They acknowledged the need to curb the influence of fundamentalists over the community and the Church. By deposing before the US panel, Dayal has given Hindu extremist groups valid reason to doubt the integrity of the community and 'we could just be inviting Hindu extremist backlash' rued Patty Ripple Kyndiah, who added that the antics of John Dayal is against national interest. Former Speaker P.A. Sangma endorsed Kyndiah, 'This is our internal problem. We are capable of solving it'.
What has changed in nine years? The number of churches built has increased more than hundred fold. Christian institutions are given all financial assistance, Christians have occupied hundreds and hundreds of acres of promboke land on which they quickly erect a shack and a cross - for further constructing pucca buildings, both commercial and religious. Thus occupying the land, they acquire assets, evade tax, and even electricity charges.
It is in the national interest to survey the status of Churches property-wise and cash-wise. When in so-called Christian countries churches are closing down, here in India churches are annually increasing in number. Even in Italy, churches are empty but here churches are full every Sunday and <b>the pulpit is used even against the government, but goes unchallenged.</b>
(Like Fridays at the mosque where the imam calls for jihad against the Dar-ul-harb. Christianism=islamism.)
<b>From a poor country like ours, money flows to Rome, from congregations working for the poor and destitute in India, money flows to Vatican. Are these signs of a persecuted church? The flow of money to churches and church-allied 'development organizations' has trebled in the last five years, on Government of India records. Is this a sign of a church under duress?</b>
Why should money from here go to Rome/Vatican? The Cross is not a sign to camouflage lies and cover truth.
(Oh yes, yes it is. Christianism is indefensible. Hilda Raja should stop trying to cover for it.)
The church by its anti-national stand is crucifying Truth. Jesus was faithful to his Jewish traditions and to insult that he was crucified naked on the cross (no loin cloth), so the Bible states. Why should a people who proclaim that they stand for His values become anti-national and betray their own country and countrymen?
(1. Jesus never existed. Hilda pleading for christianism and jeebus while condemning 'christianism in practice'. They are one and the same thing. Heretics preaching to the unconverted again about a 'true christianism' versus the supposedly 'false christianism' we see in reality. But it is and has ever been the <i>only</i> christianism.
2. Christianism has always goaded its sheep to betray the pagan host nation it is festering in. Why this pretense of surprise? Why mislead the Hindu readers of VijayVaani and Rajeev 2004 blog by pretending that treasonous christians are an aberration or are acting non-conformant to christianism rather than admitting to the phenomenon being both historical reality and ground reality? <i>It is the way christianism operates in a large pagan nation under pagan rule.</i> Do I even need to name-drop Rome.)
<b>One is first an Indian - for one cannot change one's nationality but can change one's religion.</b>
(Says the heretic christian.
Any real catholic would say allegiance to the pope pre-empts all other 'priorities'. Hilda is painting a picture of a non-existent catholicism, her personal ideology. It is not the real christianism. Every heretic is unique in their heresy. Every christian is dogmatically the same on issues of the primary importance: like jeebus and loyalty to christianism.
Hilda's pretty picture of a 'could-be' alternative christianism is nothing more than trapping Hindus in a mirage. Such a christianism will never exist. ~1700 years and it does not exist.)
The CBCI and laity leaders cannot do greater harm to the community than participate in the UNCIRF sittings. In fact, they should have protested against this unprecedented move of the Congress under Ms. Sonia Gandhi.
The Christian community cannot be mortgaged for her ulterior political motives. Religion is an emotive issue and once people are permanently divided, national unity will be a thing of the past; at the drop of a hat the country can erupt into civil war. Every communal riot if objectively analyzed was a backlash, and the poor, irrespective of religion, were the victims. The power games of the powerful have torn nations apart by war followed by famines leading to total destruction and subjugation of people.
Interference in our internal affairs must be seen in wider perspective. Invasiveness of any kind in the affairs of a sovereign country means two things - the supervisory role of the invasive country/organization and the subjective, subservient level of the interfered country.
We have a democracy and a Constitution which has stood us well. Except for some aberrations brought by vest interests, the people have always been able to overcome this and to set the tone and tenure for harmonious unity.
India is the only country in the world which has opened its arms to all religions and all people and thus become the cradle of world religions. Fringe Christian churches have been misusing Freedom of Religion for proselytizing, poaching on other churches as well, and creating social tensions. One is not judged by one's religion, but will be judged by the measure of love one has lived with and the Truth one has upheld.
<b>PS: Would the Church permit UNCIRF to visit the convents which have reported rapes, sexual violations, murders and oppression of women (nuns).</b>
The author is a retired Professor from Stella Maris College, Chennai, and lives in Vadodara
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All the above IS christianism.
It has always invited invasion - also in Rome and many a later European nation that was slowly being christianised while ruled by unconverted leaders. Treason against the host unconverted nation is built into christianism. Can't understand why and how there can be any Hindus alive today that still sweet-talk about christianism and its unfortunate zombies. The 'nationalists' who denounce 'anti-nationalism' even as they shield christianism, are ensuring conditions favourable to the spread of the canker (actually, their psecularism is part of the canker; christo-conditioning being an extension of christianism). They enable the paralysis to spread by making sure no one identifies it or tries to do anything about christianism such as allowing the host body to attack the cause - the ideology - directly, by exposing it. Instead, the self-designated 'nationalists' (pseculars of a degree less) keep protecting the ideology by being defenders of the holy faith and being apologists for it. The apologists jump in at any time the unconverted point to christianism directly and try to steer the finger clear away from the real culprit in the Compendium of Centuries of Crime.
This protectionism of the terrorist ideology by so-called nationalists is extended treachery, brought about in them because of christo-conditioning. In this case, the form of christo-conditioning in the victim (the 'nationalist') is that they always labour to make christianism exempt from all scrutiny or objective appraisals.
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+May 16 2009, 02:41 AM-->QUOTE(Viren @ May 16 2009, 02:41 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vigil Online: The U.S And The USCIRF - There Is No End To Their Impertinence
[right][snapback]97245[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Apparently India is a Vatican colony. Indian christogovt gets all its ideas on how to conduct the election from Vatican and US government. They probably invited themselves over and told their minions in India to issue a public invitation.
1. The recent email prologue to the above 2002 Vigil article at the Rajeev2004 blog:
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/rad...f-in-india.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>radha rajan: The USCIRF in India</b>
may 11th, 2009
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From: Radha Rajan
Date: Sun, May 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM
Subject: The USCIRF in India
To:
The Italian Christian-led Congress-led UPA government has taken the unprecedented step of inviting the USCIRF to visit Gujarat and Orissa to write their officious reports on religious freedom. The padre from Gujarat Cedric Prakash has made the fooliosh remark that Narendra Modi must win the approval of western nations (read US) if he has to become the Prime Minister of India and that the visit by the USCIRF has been welcomed by Gujaratis in the US who want the US State Department to remove Modi from their anti-Christ list and give Modi a visa to the US. I have been brought up in a middle-class brahmin family and much as I am tempted to give expression to what I think of such officiousness, I will confine myself to sending you all what I wrote about the USCIRF in 2002. Like many things I said and wrote several years ago, nothing has changed. RR<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
2. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/upa...-with-long.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>UPA government has broken with a long-standing policy of disallowing intrusive fact-finding visits from America</b>
may 11th, 2009
yeah, let a bunch of busybody baptist bigots sit in judgment on us. of course, arch-liers like john dayal and cedric prakash will be the star witnesses.
then manmohan singh can be 'ashamed' all over again.
of course, he is not ashamed that hindus and sikhs are being forced to pay jaziya in taliban-controlled af-pak.
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In its last days in office, the UPA government has broken with a long-standing policy of disallowing intrusive fact-finding visits from America
<b>Delhi allows scrutiny of religious freedom</b>
K.P. Nayar
www.telegraphindia.com/1090503/jsp/nation/story_10911531.jsp
Washington, May 2: In its last days in office, the UPA government has broken with a long-standing policy of disallowing intrusive fact-finding visits from America and permitted a religious vigilante state body from the US to sit in judgement on the extent of India's religious freedom.
The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), a statutory body created by the US Congress and funded by the US government, announced yesterday that its members will "travel to India for the first time in June 2009".
Pending this scrutiny of the extent of religious freedom in the country, the Commission has put off its annual report on conditions in India and promised that it will only "release its report on India during this summer" after its members assess the conditions first hand.
Ever since the US Congress passed an International Religious Freedom Act 1998 and created the USCIRF, it has been trying to visit India, but New Delhi has consistently told the Commission's members that they will not be given visas for an official visit if they applied for one.
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3. http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/05/pum...n-dasgupta.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Pumpkin republic- by Swapan Dasgupta</b>
may 11th, 2009
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Fr. Cedric Prakash, photographed here receiving the <b>Chevalier de la Legion d' Honneur Award</b> from the French Ambassador in New Delhi on 14th July 2006, is well known in some circles as a resolute defender of "human rights" in Gujarat.
(What, Ceddie wasn't made a most catholic Knight of Malta?)
In June, a delegation from the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) is scheduled to visit India. The team will travel to Gujarat and Orissa. Fr Prakash had testified before USCIRF in June 2002 after the Gujarat riots.
The idea of a US body investigating religious freedom in India is a bit disturbing. Fr Prakash's take on the subject is, however, fascinating.
<b>In the Mail Today of May 8, 2009, page 9, he is quoted as saying:</b>
  <!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>(Narendra) Modi cannot nurture prime ministerial dreams unless he is acceptable to the Western world.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
(This is the US and Vatican talking through "good native" minion Father Cedric Procrass.)
Fr. Prakash does himself proud with such an honest articulation of his beliefs.
http://www.swapan55.com/2009/05/pumpkin-republic.html
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Tuesday, May 12, 2009
<b>hilda raja: will USCIRF check out sister abhaya's murder in a christist nunnery? of course not
</b>may 12th, 2009
or will it look into the case of the poor 'vampire of cochin' whose religious freedom has been violated? godman ratzy took this fellow, one bishop thattunkal, to the vatican and did not allow him to get 'spiritial nourishment' for a sexy 25-year-old woman who he was fraternizing with. down with religious oppression of christists! thattunkal, who is about 60, should have every right to get 'spritual nourishment' (or whatever) from a nubile 25-year-old!
or will it consider how hindu temples are being burned by christists?
let us also ask if there is a side trip by the USCIRF to Swat (after all, all yank dignitaries have to make a pak trip along with an india trip to be 'even-handed'). they can counsel their pals the taliban to stop killing hindus and sikhs.
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From: <info
<b>USCIRF â will it visit convents where nuns are raped? - By Hilda Raja
The UPA government's unprecedented step of inviting the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) to visit Gujarat and Orissa is not only disturbing, but also portents greater harm to the harmony and unity of the country.
It exposes India to international policing which has ramifications on the integrity and sovereignty of the nation. Today it can be a Commission; why not later an army for the purpose of protecting minorities? The basic premise is the same.</b>
Hypothetically, let's imagine that the Commission faults the government of both States for failure to protect minorities. Should Naveen Patnaik and Narendra Modi appear before this Commission and plead guilty - or plead innocent - and with all humility accept the penalty it will impose? Can there be a greater insult to democracy and to the sovereignty of this country?
It is invasion - be it territorial, social or religious. No matter which area, invasiveness of any kind cannot be accepted. What is the role of the Congress-led UPA government? Does it not stand indicted for impotency to curb violence? It cannot abdicate responsibility and obligation to protect minorities and rein in State governments. If this is logically followed, the accused is the CongressâManmohan Singh - proof of his political weakness. Which country would tolerate such invasion and interference in its internal affairs? Are we bonded to the USA? No patriotic Indian, irrespective of religion, would accept the policing of this nation by outside agencies.
Can the Catholic Bishops Conference of India (CBCI) and the INDIAN Churches which objected to such invasiveness nine years ago now make a U-turn? In the course of five years, what is the persecution witnessed in India. Brahmin Pundits killed in hundreds and chased away from J&K under ethnic cleansing has not raised international concerns. The furore caused by wrongful reporting of the rape of five nuns in Jhabua was set right when the nuns themselves gave interviews stating it had nothing to do with religion. Indeed, the culprits were converted tribals.
In Orissa, the massacre of Swami Laxmanananda and his disciples led to clashes in which Christians and Hindus were equally victims.
('Equally' victims? How so? Hilda agrees that the christians indulged in the initiating orgy of murder which invited angry and violent reaction. And now she declares the unfortunate maths of affected human lives to be "equal". It is NOT equal. If I stomp on some IF member - pick one - and they beat me back out of indignation, suddenly I am equally a victim? <- Some really brave 'logic'. So we are entitled to equal recompense and/or equal punishment? Yet I am the one - in this hypothetical scenario - that is a threat to society: I go out of my way to hit out at someone while others are merely naturally reacting to the violence. No court of law would fine us equally.
But equality in christianism and islamism seems to forever have a meaning apart from what it does in basic algebra.
Moreover, the government is not treating these "equal" victims equally, is it: the christians have demanded special compensation and reparation for Orissa christians, for their claim of being the "most affected" victims on the "receiving-end".
Christian terrorism murders and insists on getting rewarded for it too.)
<b>The infamous Gujarat riots are being investigated by the Special Investigation Team, but earlier versions and gory stories of brutality, rape and massacres narrated by activist Teesta Setalvad were found faked, cooked up, witnesses and statements doctored; hence the Supreme Court rejected the bundle of lies.</b>
Against this backdrop, Congress allowing UNCIRF to enquire into violence against minorities is political in intent and has everything to do with further dividing the people on religious grounds. Will UNCIRF be allowed to enter Pakistan or any Islamic country where there is discrimination against minorities?
Congress and Christian churches seem to conspire against Hindus. This is evident when one looks at the pre-election scenario. In April, the Catholic Bishops Conference of India issued a 'Ten Commandments' type of list of dos and don'ts for Catholics. Sure, it did not specify which party to vote for. But this was followed by a number of churches scripting prayers for the 'flock,' couched in appeals to God to bring in a party which will allow religious freedom and uphold the same guaranteed in the Constitution. Across India, the entire Christian community was galvanized by such covert campaigning. In Karnataka, a priest had the audacity to openly tell the 'flock' not to vote for the BJP. Joining hands with Muslim leaders, Catholic leaders also issued a fatwa, overtly and covertly compelling the 'flock' to vote for Congress.
The Election Commission is unmindful of this religio-political mix; this blatant communalism. When Advani appeals to Hindu religious leaders, the EC becomes alert and people like John Dayal condemn it. It is only when Hindu organizations and BJP politicians appeal to people that the ire of the EC is provoked. Then the media comes out with secular advocacy and condemns the communalism of BJP and its allies.
<b>Church double-speak has exposed its ulterior motive - nine years ago (Sept 2000) CBCI described as "unwarranted" the proposed hearing on religious freedom in India by UNCIRF, and distanced itself from John Dayal, saying he was attending it in his individual capacity. It is relevant to recall what Christian MPs felt then.</b> They acknowledged the need to curb the influence of fundamentalists over the community and the Church. By deposing before the US panel, Dayal has given Hindu extremist groups valid reason to doubt the integrity of the community and 'we could just be inviting Hindu extremist backlash' rued Patty Ripple Kyndiah, who added that the antics of John Dayal is against national interest. Former Speaker P.A. Sangma endorsed Kyndiah, 'This is our internal problem. We are capable of solving it'.
What has changed in nine years? The number of churches built has increased more than hundred fold. Christian institutions are given all financial assistance, Christians have occupied hundreds and hundreds of acres of promboke land on which they quickly erect a shack and a cross - for further constructing pucca buildings, both commercial and religious. Thus occupying the land, they acquire assets, evade tax, and even electricity charges.
It is in the national interest to survey the status of Churches property-wise and cash-wise. When in so-called Christian countries churches are closing down, here in India churches are annually increasing in number. Even in Italy, churches are empty but here churches are full every Sunday and <b>the pulpit is used even against the government, but goes unchallenged.</b>
(Like Fridays at the mosque where the imam calls for jihad against the Dar-ul-harb. Christianism=islamism.)
<b>From a poor country like ours, money flows to Rome, from congregations working for the poor and destitute in India, money flows to Vatican. Are these signs of a persecuted church? The flow of money to churches and church-allied 'development organizations' has trebled in the last five years, on Government of India records. Is this a sign of a church under duress?</b>
Why should money from here go to Rome/Vatican? The Cross is not a sign to camouflage lies and cover truth.
(Oh yes, yes it is. Christianism is indefensible. Hilda Raja should stop trying to cover for it.)
The church by its anti-national stand is crucifying Truth. Jesus was faithful to his Jewish traditions and to insult that he was crucified naked on the cross (no loin cloth), so the Bible states. Why should a people who proclaim that they stand for His values become anti-national and betray their own country and countrymen?
(1. Jesus never existed. Hilda pleading for christianism and jeebus while condemning 'christianism in practice'. They are one and the same thing. Heretics preaching to the unconverted again about a 'true christianism' versus the supposedly 'false christianism' we see in reality. But it is and has ever been the <i>only</i> christianism.
2. Christianism has always goaded its sheep to betray the pagan host nation it is festering in. Why this pretense of surprise? Why mislead the Hindu readers of VijayVaani and Rajeev 2004 blog by pretending that treasonous christians are an aberration or are acting non-conformant to christianism rather than admitting to the phenomenon being both historical reality and ground reality? <i>It is the way christianism operates in a large pagan nation under pagan rule.</i> Do I even need to name-drop Rome.)
<b>One is first an Indian - for one cannot change one's nationality but can change one's religion.</b>
(Says the heretic christian.
Any real catholic would say allegiance to the pope pre-empts all other 'priorities'. Hilda is painting a picture of a non-existent catholicism, her personal ideology. It is not the real christianism. Every heretic is unique in their heresy. Every christian is dogmatically the same on issues of the primary importance: like jeebus and loyalty to christianism.
Hilda's pretty picture of a 'could-be' alternative christianism is nothing more than trapping Hindus in a mirage. Such a christianism will never exist. ~1700 years and it does not exist.)
The CBCI and laity leaders cannot do greater harm to the community than participate in the UNCIRF sittings. In fact, they should have protested against this unprecedented move of the Congress under Ms. Sonia Gandhi.
The Christian community cannot be mortgaged for her ulterior political motives. Religion is an emotive issue and once people are permanently divided, national unity will be a thing of the past; at the drop of a hat the country can erupt into civil war. Every communal riot if objectively analyzed was a backlash, and the poor, irrespective of religion, were the victims. The power games of the powerful have torn nations apart by war followed by famines leading to total destruction and subjugation of people.
Interference in our internal affairs must be seen in wider perspective. Invasiveness of any kind in the affairs of a sovereign country means two things - the supervisory role of the invasive country/organization and the subjective, subservient level of the interfered country.
We have a democracy and a Constitution which has stood us well. Except for some aberrations brought by vest interests, the people have always been able to overcome this and to set the tone and tenure for harmonious unity.
India is the only country in the world which has opened its arms to all religions and all people and thus become the cradle of world religions. Fringe Christian churches have been misusing Freedom of Religion for proselytizing, poaching on other churches as well, and creating social tensions. One is not judged by one's religion, but will be judged by the measure of love one has lived with and the Truth one has upheld.
<b>PS: Would the Church permit UNCIRF to visit the convents which have reported rapes, sexual violations, murders and oppression of women (nuns).</b>
The author is a retired Professor from Stella Maris College, Chennai, and lives in Vadodara
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All the above IS christianism.
It has always invited invasion - also in Rome and many a later European nation that was slowly being christianised while ruled by unconverted leaders. Treason against the host unconverted nation is built into christianism. Can't understand why and how there can be any Hindus alive today that still sweet-talk about christianism and its unfortunate zombies. The 'nationalists' who denounce 'anti-nationalism' even as they shield christianism, are ensuring conditions favourable to the spread of the canker (actually, their psecularism is part of the canker; christo-conditioning being an extension of christianism). They enable the paralysis to spread by making sure no one identifies it or tries to do anything about christianism such as allowing the host body to attack the cause - the ideology - directly, by exposing it. Instead, the self-designated 'nationalists' (pseculars of a degree less) keep protecting the ideology by being defenders of the holy faith and being apologists for it. The apologists jump in at any time the unconverted point to christianism directly and try to steer the finger clear away from the real culprit in the Compendium of Centuries of Crime.
This protectionism of the terrorist ideology by so-called nationalists is extended treachery, brought about in them because of christo-conditioning. In this case, the form of christo-conditioning in the victim (the 'nationalist') is that they always labour to make christianism exempt from all scrutiny or objective appraisals.