08-19-2009, 07:32 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->what a silly proposition: "Partition must go!" That means you will have to permanently suppress a near-majority of Muslims, who moreover have alliances with all the non-Hindus and with many who count as Hindus only for census purposes. Of course they intend to gobble up their neo-Ambedkarite, Dravidianist, Christian and Khalistani allies later on, but first they will use them to flatten what remains of Hinduism. Prospering as Hindus in a reunited India? You just can't do it.
And then this belated indignation about the Two-Nation theory. That at least was one thing about which Jinnah was entirely right: apart from radically different beliefs and rituals, Hindus and Muslims don't intermarry, and they have different cuisine, script, music, dress, register of names, sexual mores. By all the usual criteria, they do constitute different nations. Yes, they have a largely common ancestry (though Muslims have considerable foreign admixture and also falsely pretend to foreignness with names like Sayyid or Sharif, both implying descent from the prophet, Quraishi etc.), so in that respects they are the split halves of what used to be one nation, and possibly that nation can be reunited,-- after its split has been acknowledged as a reality. You can of course reintegrate these two nations into one, viz. by reuniting them in all the respects mentioned above. The Muslims are entirely willing to do that, viz. by welcoming all Hindus into the Islamic fold,-- then you can have your Akhand Bharat right away. The only other way to do it, is to welcome all Muslims into the Hindu fold.
Talking about undoing Partition without spending the remaining 99% of your talk on the practical problem of bringing the Muslims out of Islam is a sign of braindeadness.
It's the same lack of brainmife in Europe and in India. The only way to stop the rising tide of Islam, which will engulf both remainder-India and Europe within this century, is to seduce Muslims out of Islam. Forcing them out of it may be more to your liking, but I don't know how to force people to change their minds (as distinct from their publicly stated positions) about anything. And I respect fellow men including Muslims too much to even wish for any conversion by force.
Years ago there was someone on this list, living in New Jersey, who concluded all his mails with "Have five kids or become Muslim", "have five kids or end up in a Muslim harem", "have five kids or see your only daughter raped by Muslims", etc. He thought the only way to counter Islam was to wage and win the demographic war. I don't think this will catch on with Sandhya and other advocates of women's self-determination and birth control. Nor is it, arguably, responsible in a world on the verge of overpopulation. Limited demographic measures such as keeping out Muslim immigrants (who infiltrate both India and Europe) can be defended, but an all-out demographic competition is undesirable, as well as being a pipe-dream.
Unlike in India (to my knowledge), the proverbially non-converting and extinction-bound Zoroastrians are recruiting converts in Tajikistan, Ossetia, and the large Iranian community in Los Angeles,-- but only among Iranians. They are an ethnic religion, but do recruit converts, viz. in their own ethnic group, assuming al Iranian Muslims are in effect estranged Zoroastrians. So even if you conceive of Hinduism as a blood-and-soil religion, you too have a large field of conversion candidates: not the Westerners so beloved of airport Gurus, but the South-Asian Muslims.
The Islam problem in South Asia has legal, military and other aspects, but the overriding concern if you really hope to ever reunite historical India and live in peace, is the Muslims' belief in the silly but dangerous claims of Mohammed. Anyone who doesn't focus on the practical question of how to liberate Muslims from the mental prison-house of Islam, isn't serious about solving this problem, nor about undoing Partition.
Kind regards,
KE<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And then this belated indignation about the Two-Nation theory. That at least was one thing about which Jinnah was entirely right: apart from radically different beliefs and rituals, Hindus and Muslims don't intermarry, and they have different cuisine, script, music, dress, register of names, sexual mores. By all the usual criteria, they do constitute different nations. Yes, they have a largely common ancestry (though Muslims have considerable foreign admixture and also falsely pretend to foreignness with names like Sayyid or Sharif, both implying descent from the prophet, Quraishi etc.), so in that respects they are the split halves of what used to be one nation, and possibly that nation can be reunited,-- after its split has been acknowledged as a reality. You can of course reintegrate these two nations into one, viz. by reuniting them in all the respects mentioned above. The Muslims are entirely willing to do that, viz. by welcoming all Hindus into the Islamic fold,-- then you can have your Akhand Bharat right away. The only other way to do it, is to welcome all Muslims into the Hindu fold.
Talking about undoing Partition without spending the remaining 99% of your talk on the practical problem of bringing the Muslims out of Islam is a sign of braindeadness.
It's the same lack of brainmife in Europe and in India. The only way to stop the rising tide of Islam, which will engulf both remainder-India and Europe within this century, is to seduce Muslims out of Islam. Forcing them out of it may be more to your liking, but I don't know how to force people to change their minds (as distinct from their publicly stated positions) about anything. And I respect fellow men including Muslims too much to even wish for any conversion by force.
Years ago there was someone on this list, living in New Jersey, who concluded all his mails with "Have five kids or become Muslim", "have five kids or end up in a Muslim harem", "have five kids or see your only daughter raped by Muslims", etc. He thought the only way to counter Islam was to wage and win the demographic war. I don't think this will catch on with Sandhya and other advocates of women's self-determination and birth control. Nor is it, arguably, responsible in a world on the verge of overpopulation. Limited demographic measures such as keeping out Muslim immigrants (who infiltrate both India and Europe) can be defended, but an all-out demographic competition is undesirable, as well as being a pipe-dream.
Unlike in India (to my knowledge), the proverbially non-converting and extinction-bound Zoroastrians are recruiting converts in Tajikistan, Ossetia, and the large Iranian community in Los Angeles,-- but only among Iranians. They are an ethnic religion, but do recruit converts, viz. in their own ethnic group, assuming al Iranian Muslims are in effect estranged Zoroastrians. So even if you conceive of Hinduism as a blood-and-soil religion, you too have a large field of conversion candidates: not the Westerners so beloved of airport Gurus, but the South-Asian Muslims.
The Islam problem in South Asia has legal, military and other aspects, but the overriding concern if you really hope to ever reunite historical India and live in peace, is the Muslims' belief in the silly but dangerous claims of Mohammed. Anyone who doesn't focus on the practical question of how to liberate Muslims from the mental prison-house of Islam, isn't serious about solving this problem, nor about undoing Partition.
Kind regards,
KE<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->