ISKCON: It's Role, Idealogies, And World-view.

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Dear Sunder, Gangajal, Narayanan, Hyagriva, Carl

For once, I completely went through the length and breadth of this discussion. I am sorry to say almost everybody (may be including myself) offensively opined about issues. Inspite of this, I feel that some of the issues were not deliberated. Here, humbly, praying God, I try to put forth a few issues ofcourse as far as possible in a non offensive manner.

Before starting the same,

Hyagriva (Is that Hayagriva or Hyagriva) , I simply salute to ur logical way of addressing the issues. I found throughout u were almost dignified and straight forwarded in putting forth ur views albeit exceptionally at some places ur frustration, impatience and out of tract quotes were explicit. But I admire ur sincerity in putting forth ur views and honestly accepting the fact that u r ignorant of certain issues.

Having said this, Sunder, I equally feel that ur approach to the issue is also very sincere. Although, at some places u have crossed ur own gentle rules of debate. But both u and Hyagriva were giving ur sincere views (leaving views given out of frustration).

Carl, (or shall I address u Carl Prabhu) although u admittedly said that u do not belong to ISKCON, it seems ur knowledge about their jargons and their philosophy is quite updated. (Hyagriva u too, although I presume u to belong to orthodox traditional Srivaishnava School). Neverthless, I admire ur depth of knowledge. Pardon me, some of ur own expressions, do not within ur noble expectation of a structured dialogue.

Having, said all this, I would like to submit my perception that ISKCON overall is doing a wonderful service of “Bhagavan Namaprachara” and this aspect of ISKCON is above all other hurly burly issues of “sidhantha”, “one-up-manship” et. al. But I strongly feel the European negative influences that are taking away ISKCON from the “Pure Bakthi Based Gowdiya Sampradaya” to sort of “Neo Semitic Sampradaya” (which u would find in their hate filled propaganda quoted in the discussions below) needs to be watched. But I still strongly feel in the power of nectar - “Bhagavan Nama” - which is capable of dissolving any “Halahala Vishaa” – the rise of “Ego, disrespect, dishonesty, name calling et. al”


Hyagriva (Prabhu?) have quoted some of the golden rules of ISKCON. One would find that these are not simply golden rules of ISKCON but what are also universally accepted principles named as “Saamanya Dharma” in the traditional Vaidik sampradayas (Smartha, Srivaishnava and Madhwa)

I would like to give below some of these quotes and how we and for that matter ISKCON have deviated from these principles.

The Quotes & observations:




A)
• Humility.Our tradition establishes that this is the key to building spiritual relationships. It is also the principle quality of a Vaisnava.
The unlimited nature of Krsna. The Absolute truth is universal. No individual or organisation has a monopoly on the Lord. He reveals himself wherever, whenever, however and to whoever he pleases.
CARL
didn't want to dignify this thread with a response, but this one is too much to resist. gangajal, you have put your foot in your mouth again:

Carl Prabhu, Please please don’t accuse me of hit and run or cut and paste. I am very sorry to point out that the above quote of yours do not fit in with the tune of the above golden rule. If u did not want to dignify this thread, u should not have entered it. Having entered, rather than dignifying the thread, u r trying to bury under the carpet the professed golden rules of ISKCON by ur intemperate and irate outbursts.

One more thing, Carl Prabhu, I was finding difficult to adjust with the ISKCON people – they say that their acharyas are bonafide. Initiation into “Vaishnavism” has to be through them. I don’t understand one thing here. Do they mean all other acharyas whom they perceive malafide are to be condemned as malafide. This I feel is also against the spirit of the professed golden rule. Do you feel that the likes of Tukaram, Gnaneswar, Ekanath or the likes of Kabir, Rahim, Raskan or the likes of Bhagavannama Bodendra, Marudanallur Sadguru Swamigal, Thyagaraja Swamigal are malafide since simply they do not belong to the ISKCON declared list of bonafide Acharyas.
B)
• Honesty.Always be honest and truthful. This is the basis for trust in successful relationships.
HYAGRIVA
Yes, you are right, I am not knowledgable in Advaita vada.
I only need to know how to differentiate Advaita-vada and what is wrong with it. I am not qualified to speak about Advaita so I am sorry that I even started to talk about it. All I said was that Advaitins claim that Shiva/Vishnu have no independent and real existence and are just names for the formless Brahman.

The Vaishnavas say, 'ENOUGH of all this words. These words won't take anybody any nearer to the goal of self-realization. They are only good for arguments and more arguments. The only way is to sing the glories of Hari and seek the grace of pure devotion'




CARL:

Our friend sunder has as yet been unable to explain why, throughout the centuries, EVERY TIME there has been a great public debate on Vedanta between a Vaishnava and a mayavadi (of whatever brand), the Vaishnavas have always come out on top. Apparently all those great scholars and sages were wrong. They would have us believe that only Sri Ramakrishna, Vivekananda and Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan got it right -- with conclusive support from white people in 18th century europe!

Honesty. I wish to painfully and hurtfully insist my friends here never refer Advaita as “Mayavad”. As a follower of “Advaita” School of thought (although I am no authority unlike Hyagriva who admittedly said he is an authority in Vaishnava tradition), I know clearly the essence of “Advaita” is Brhma Vada and not “Mayavada”. If u think that u can call names against a philosophy u don’t like, think for once that another person who do not like ur philosophy can also call it names. World at large (including ISKCON) knows that the “Sidhantha” propounded by “Adi Shankaracharya” is “Advaitha”. Yes, I am neither an authority on “Advaita” nor “Vishistadwaita” nor “Dwaita”. But for once, I can say that calling “Advaita” as “Mayavad” is sheer dishonesty, blasphemy. I don’t think whether it is Hyagriva or Carl or for that matter any present day acharya of “ISKCON” – nobody is that much knowledgeable to challenge “Adishankaracharya”. It would be like high school studying student criticizing the theory of relativity if he does not understand it.

Truly, I agree - while following your own school of thought u could not agree with whatever is said in Advaita. Rebut it. Debate it. Disagree with it. Forcefully. But in a dignified manner. Adi Shankaracharya is revered as an “Avatara” of “Lord Shiva” who is referred in “Bhagavatham” by none less than “Bhagawan” as “Vaishnavanam yatha Shambuhu”. Even the bitterest critics of “Adi Shankaracharya” like Budhists would have ever dared to call him names unlike what present day “ISKCON” people are doing.

Hyagriva see what u have said:
Yes, you are right, I am not knowledgable in Advaita vada.
I only need to know how to differentiate Advaita-vada and what is wrong with it.
Please don’t think that I am indulging in cut & paste. If u want to know what is “Advaita” u r first supposed to read “Prasthanathraya Bhashya” of “Acharyal” and his Prakarana Granthas like “Viveka Chudamani” before ever knowing what is wrong in it. First know what is “Advaita” before ever knowing what is wrong in it.
Carl Prabhu, U were much bitter about cut and paste. U have quoted from “Shankara Bhashya” that “Acharyal” refers “Lord Vishnu” whenever he come across with words like “Bhagawan” or “Ishwara”. My question is very sincere. What do u mean by saying this. By referring these quotes out of context, would u like to conclude that the “Essence of sidhantha of Acharyal is Monotheism” and not his declared principles like “Aham Brhmasmi”, “Tatvamasi”, “Ayamatma Brhma” and “Pragnanam Brhma”. This way anybody can quote out of context a few lines from Shri bhashya and state something what they perceive and say exactly the opposite of what the philosophy says.
Carl prabhu u have said that in history, Vaishnavas have defeated different “Brands” of “Mayavadis”. Never forget that “Vaishnavas” were also defeated by “Advaitins”. There are many instances. This thread is not about who has defeated whom. Hence I am not listing those defeats of “Vaishnava Philosophers”. But here I painfully point ur way of referring different perceptions of “Advaita” as “Brands” like u refer it in a commodity market. I hurtfully and humbly but with conviction say that “Advaitha” is not a commodity and different perceptions of “Advaita” are not different “brands”. This sort of language is not used in sort of “Structured Dialogue” u boast of. (Your irate way of referring “chamchas” also come under this category). Behold, whenever a philosophy debate goes on, whatever is perceived as defeated and whatever is perceived as won are the capacity of the people to debate and not the philosophy itself. The philosophy is a stream of thought which would always be there. It is a wrong ( I do not want to use the word foolish) notion to say that “Advaita” is defeated or “Vishistadwaita” is defeated.
Although I do not agree with “Ramakrishna Mission” on many issues, Carl Prabhu, they are very dignified in their dealing with those people who does not share their ideology. Although they do not boast of structured dialogue, they in fact practice the same.
When someone refers “Advaita” as “mayavad” I get equal pain like someone referring “Shri Krishna Balaram Mandir” in Brindavan as “Angrezi Mandir”.
• Personal relationships. The Vaisnava tradition rests on sincere personal relationships. We can live without the philosophy, the ritual and the institution, but we cannot live without our loving and serving relationship with Krsna and His devotees.
Carl Prabhu I am so sorry to say that the above golden rule totally gets dissolved in ur above irated quote.
C)
What I am giving below is an issue which so far has not been deliberated in the discussions and what I have referred in the top of negative European semitic influences in ISKCON. See what are the professed golden rules and how the Organisation whose main preocupation is “Bhagavannama Prachara” hurls abuses on people – to what levels they can abuse people - simply – simply because they do not agree with their perceived opponent’s ideological moorings. This sort of bashing u can find in current day unruly political movements; “Anti Brahmin” gatherings and So called “Semitic Religious gatherings”. Not certainly in Religious organizations of this holy land. This sort of hate Prachara was unheard of in the History of India even when Avaidik Budhists and Jains were confronting the Vaidik Diaspora.
1. Respect. Always remain respectful, even if you do not receive the same respect in return. Lord Caitanya has said, 'amanina manadena': one should be ready to offer all respects to others, without expecting any respect for oneself.
Tolerance.When you interact with people disrespectful or insensitive toward our tradition and culture, perhaps because they have made uninformed assumptions about us, you will have to be tolerant, explain yourself politely, and forgive their misunderstandings.
2. Allow members of other faiths to define themselves in their own language and ownculture without imposing definitions upon them, thus avoiding comparing their practice with our ideals.
3. Respect the diet, dress, rituals and etiquette of others.
4. Recognise that we all can fall short of the ideals of our respective traditions.
I give below a few quotes from what “ISKCON” says about “Smartha Sampradaya”
a) Celebrating occasions like Ekadasi:

Vaisnavas or spiritualists celebrate such occasions as
enhancers of devotion or out of the pleasure of serving Krsna and
without any desire. Smartas, on the other hand, celebrate them
for physical or mental welfare or as activities fulfilling their
moral, economic or sexual desires. So, notwithstanding apparent
similarities, the motives of Vaisnavas vs. those of smartas are
poles apart. j МTaking bath in and worshiping the Ganges

b) Vaisnavas view the Ganges as nectar from Visnu's feet, are
reminded of Visnu by her contact and take bath in her in a spirit
of service, knowing her to be a transcendental object of service.
So "even Ganga herself desires to bathe Haridasa". But the
smartas want to utilize Ganges water for cleansing themselves of
sins, filth and unholy thoughts. The Ganges, whose water even
Lord Siva takes gladly on his head as it washes the feet of his
Lord, the smartas want to use as maidservant or a sincleansing
machine.

c) Installing and worshiping Deity forms of the Lord:

The Vaisnavas do not differentiate between Krsna Himself and
His Deityform. They accept sankirtana as the prime means of
worship and by that means perform the abhisekha and other
rituals, according to Sriman Mahaprabhu's instructions. The
smartas consider the Deity as different from the Lord, as
something transient and imaginary for temporary assistance of the
aspirant, to be rejected or immersed later on. They imagine to
instil life and consciousness into the idol and employ it in
gratifying their desires. Sometimes they even use Deity worship
for enhancing some trade.

d) Establishing monasteries:

The Vaisnavas establish monasteries to provide saintly
association and propagate the sankirtana movement. They believe
that just as lighting a fire to cook food rids us of darkness and
cold as well without separate endeavor, similarly sankirtana will
relieve us of all social problems. Smartas, on the other hand,
pompously open monasteries for the sake of selfadvertisement or
for some temporal social or moral welfare. Thus freehospitals,
artifical celibacyschools, gymnasiums, etc. are often part of
their monasteries. Or they may open abbeys for hoarding property,
deceiving other people or such other material activities.

e) Deity worship:

Vaisnavas know that the nonVaisnava or monoprincipled man is
not qualified for Deity worship even if born in the best of
families. Only when he attains "bhutasuddhi" or the realization
that the constitutional position of the living entity is a
servant of Krsna from a bona fide spiritual master can he perform
purified worship. To the smartas the only qualification necessary
for Deity worship are birth in a high family, external
clenaliness and ability to chant sanskrit verses. The post of
Deity worship expands like a priest's profession. Mentally they
do not consider the Deity as God and do not try to arrange for
the Deity's comfort.
Hyagriva Prabhu,
I give below ur quote :
any traidional Vaishnavas do not feel comfortable with Iskcon Idealogy and the method in which it propogates it's idealogies.


What do you mean by 'many'?? Where did you get that statistic?

Thus we have Rajasic and Tamasic Shastras too devoted to the worship of Kali and even Ghosts. We also have the left handed Tantrik Schools and such.

Also, ALL Vaishnavites, not just ISKCONites, do not worship Lord Shiva, but accept Shiva as the Param Vaishnava, or the Best of Vaishnavites, the First of Devotees.

It should be mentioned that Shiva is a partial avatara of Hari to lord over the mode of Ignorance.
Lord Shiva is almost equal to Narayana. Lord Shiva is a Demigod who should be shown uttermost respect, but worship is meant only for the Divine Couple, Sri Sriman Narayanan.

What Indians' dont' realise is that they have long lost their own religion. They think that they still define what Hinduism is from their cultural followings, but the truth is that Indians are just clinging to a figment of what is the original Vedic Civilization. 99.99999999999% is lost.

Ramanuja Acharya warns that Vaishnavas must strictly avoid Demigod worshippers. he once said, "If you are about to die in a fire but can save yourself by taking refuge in a nearby temple where people are worshipping the Demigods, you had better die in the Fire. It would be better to die in the fire than enter that temple of demigod worshippers'.

hanti nindati vai dvesthi, vaisnavan nabhi-nandati
krudhayate yati no harsam, darsane patanani sat

1. One who kills a devotee
2. one who blasphemes devotees
3. one who is envious of devotees
4. one who fails to offer obeisances to Vaishnavs upon seeing them
5. one who becomes angry with a Vaishnava
6. One who does not become joyfull upon seeing a Vaisnava

Dear Hyagriva, U asked shri sunder for Statistical data for his opinion about perception of “Traditional Vaishnavas”. Now could u ask ur friends who consider “Lord Shiva” as something downgraded tamasa devatha who is below “Allah” and “Yehovah” as to :

1. Whether they have got any statistical details regarding how many “Smarthas” perform “Ekadashi Vratha” for fulfilling their “Sexual desires”.
2. Whether this is how their golden rule teaches them to respect others.
3. When u agree with them that “the paramavaishnava” “Lord Shiva” is lower to “Allah” and “Yehovah”, where in your statistical details the alien smarthas fit. I hope like feeling of asking a competent spokesperson of ISKCON as u have said :

“ am a traditional Sri Vaishnavite, belong to a Sri Vaishnavite Mutt of 700 year history and Parampara and have a Guru Acharyan. I follow strict Agamic and Vaishnavite lifestyle - I have read Vaishnavite as well as Shaivite Literature under Authorities. Thus I consider myself to be competent enough to talk about ISKCON.”

4. And lastly, is it not that demeaning a Smartha observing a nitya vrata, like “Ekadashi” would not fall under ur category no : 2 “Vaishnava Aparadha” . Or since the “Smarthas” do not fall under ur or ISKCON’s perceived definition of “Vaishnavism” would u say that u won’t consider this as “Vaishnava Aparadha”. Shall that mean that - leave alone lesser human beings like me- they mean to say that Ekadashi Vratha performded by great people like “Thyagaraja Swamigal”, “Marudanallur Sadguru Swamigal” and “Thyagaraja Swamigal” are for the purpose of gaining material benefits or for what they call cheaply as “sexual desires”simply because they followed smartha smapradaya. Do u agree with whatever ISKCON says on this regard?

2. What sort of statistical detail u have and on what basis that Smarthas use “Holy River Ganges” as “sin cleansing Machine” and do u agree to the fact not even a single “Vaishnava” use the holy river for cleansing of their sins.

3. Installation of a deity worshipped is done according to “Kalpa Suthras”. “Suthrakaras” has written “Kalpa Sutras” which are treated as “Bhagawad Agya”. How do I digest a person who calls himself “Vaishnava” and do “Bhagavannama Prachara” challenges the “Agya” of Bhagawan himself. Bhagawan clearly says “Shruti Smruthir mamaivagya”. “Kalpasutras” were not written by rishis for debates in website and a person who debates aspects like these falls beyond the boundary of vaidika sampradaya. Only a Christian or a Muslim can ask questions like this. I am sorry to say this . Thee are no limits and no bases to abuses hurled by ISKCON. Is this the way ISKCON implement their golden commandment :
• Allow members of other faiths to define themselves in their own language and ownculture without imposing definitions upon them, thus avoiding comparing their practice with our ideals.






4. I have to but remember “Nigamantha Maha Desikan” on “mathas” and “Matadhipathis”. While the shasthra expects a grhastha to support “Sanyasa Ashrama”, the system of “Mathas” do just the Opposite. Here “Sanyasis” support “Grhasthas”. But this is prevalent everywhere. Be it, Smartha or Vasishnava or Madhwa. Who is not into it. Although I have great respect for all Vaidika Acharyas I had to but quote “Shri Desikan”. But this is a case of pot calling a kettle black. And the selective choosing of ‘Smarthas” for this name calling is emanating from inherent sense of hatred which is not a “Sadhu Lakshana” or “Vaishnava Lakshana”.

I just remind them of their following commandment :

• Recognise that we all can fall short of the ideals of our respective traditions.
I am not raising an accusing finger. But I cant but remember, when ISKCON, in spite of declaring themselves not as Hindus, begged Hindus for coming out of disastrous accusations on their monastries. I am very sorry to point out this .

5. What do ISKCON expect from “Smarthas” to get “Bhutashuddhi”. Do they expect a “Ghanapati” belonging to a “Smartha Sampradaya” to pay his “Sashtanga Namaskaram” to a “Neo Convert European Vaishnava” to attain this “Bhutashuddhi” or my dear friend Hyagriva do u expect him to get “Pancha Samskaram” or “Mudradanam”. See my dear friend, in performance of rituals, we, Smarthas, Shrivaishnavas and Maadhwas” since generations are bound by the four smrthis, Viz., “Ashwalayana, Aapasthamba, Bodayana and Drahyayana Smruthis”. Ofcourse, Shrivaishnavas and Maadhwas follow some other scriptures as ordained by their acharyas in addition to these (not ignoring the 4 smruthis). To worship Vishnu in the way their “Acharyas” directed them they are adhering to it. We are worshipping Lord Vishnu as per procedures ordained in the smruthis and not an inch further. And never expect any such thing. Notions of I am correct u r wrong are always there. Whereas Shri Vaishnavas may say without “Samashrayanam” u may not be qualified enough to worship Bhagawan Vishnu. A Madhwa may say without mudradanam u may not be qualified to worship “Bhagawan Vishnu”. And “Bhaskaracharya” , a great Shaktha Upasaka who has written a commentary named “Sowbagya Bhaskaram” is recorded in history as defeated many “Vaishnava Acharyas” (Carl Prabhu, if I put it in your language many vaishnava philosophies) . He has written a Tika on “Baudayana’s Dharmasutras” titled Sahasrabhojana Khanda Tika in which he has prescribed “ShankaChakrayana Prayaschitta” – Purificatory rites for people who have undergone Bharana Nyasa and got Shanka and Chakra mudras inscribed on their body. Now I am nobody here to judge or pinpoint what is correct or what is wrong. I am here to remind ISKCON of their golden professed rule:

• Allow members of other faiths to define themselves in their own language and ownculture without imposing definitions upon them, thus avoiding comparing their practice with our ideals.
• Respect the diet, dress, rituals and etiquette of others.
This golden rule of “ISKCON” may be reminded to them to mind their own activities ( I don’t want to say “Business” since that is an improper word in this context) without poking their nose as to what others do. If “ISKCON” can quote 100 scriptures a more brilliant preacher can quote 150 scriptures to disprove them.


Now Hyagriva prabhu,
I wish to remind one of ur quote :
Also, ALL Vaishnavites, not just ISKCONites, do not worship Lord Shiva, but accept Shiva as the Param Vaishnava, or the Best of Vaishnavites, the First of Devotees.

It should be mentioned that Shiva is a partial avatara of Hari to lord over the mode of Ignorance.
Lord Shiva is almost equal to Narayana. Lord Shiva is a Demigod who should be shown uttermost respect, but worship is meant only for the Divine Couple, Sri Sriman Narayanan.
Ramanuja Acharya warns that Vaishnavas must strictly avoid Demigod worshippers. he once said, "If you are about to die in a fire but can save yourself by taking refuge in a nearby temple where people are worshipping the Demigods, you had better die in the Fire. It would be better to die in the fire than enter that temple of demigod worshippers'.

1. Hyagriva Prabhu, Since u r person of details can u please tell me as to wherein (Is it Shri Bhashya or any other sthothra Prabandha of Pujya Rmannujacharya) Shri Ramanuja has asked his devotees to better fall in fire rather than enter a Shiva Temple.

2. You are very well versed and competent personality u submitted and equated Krishna with “Allah” and “Yehovah”. Now could u clarify if there is a Masjid or Church near the fire, the person in difficulty instead of entering place of worship of “downgraded demigod” can enter the place of worship of “Upgraded Equal Gods”.

3. You have asked shri Sunder or rather reminded him that he is neither a “Shaiva” nor a “Vaishnava”. Now I don’t know whether Shri Sunder is a “Shaiva” or “Vaishnava” or “Shaktha”. But never never think that a “Vaishnava” or “Shaiva” would be so only if they are fit into your scheme of philosophy. ( I don’t want to say “Narrow minded philosophy” or “in your scheme of things”). We are “Shiva” , “Vaishnava” , “Saura”, “Gaanapathya”, “Shaktha” or “Skanda” in our way as guided by acharyas for generations. There were great souls in all the six streams of “Upasana Maarga” in smartha sampradaya who have been guiding lights till day. Like the parampara of Acharyas of “Shri Vaishnava” or “Maadhwa” philosophy were highly learned and exalted souls so were the “Acharyas” in the line of “Advaitha Lineage”.

4. You told Shri Sunder when he asked u about “Shrouta Pramana” u rightly told him this is not the platform to discuss it. U may agree neither the platform of your newly invented friends who equate “Allah” and “Yehovah” with “Krishna”. But then u added, to learn “Shruti” he has to join a “Vaishnava Mutt”. I ask Why? Do you think “Smartha Veda Pathasalas” are incompetent?

Now I would like to conclude with all hulla bulla with Demi god worship.

1. In Bhagavatham, the complete episode of “Sati Upakhyana” is about what happens when one perform a “Vedic Ritual” without performing obeisance as ordained in the Vedas to “Rudra”.
2. My friends, when you treat the devathas in the trinity like Lord Shiva and Brhma as demigods what would you say about “Ashta Vasu” , Ekadasa Rudra” and “Dwadasa Aditya”. They should be far lower in the hierarchy. Without going into details as to when u invoke these, deities, my friends Hyagriya, u simply tell me whether “Shri Vaishnavas” never invoke them. If they invoke, then u may please agree that ur boasting about or pinpointing about or downgrading about demigods are selective.
3. Sri Carl has quoted that “Shankaracharyal” whenever he come across words like “Bhagawan” or “Ishwara” he refers to “Lord Vishnu”. Now You go to “Dwadasa Skanda” in “Shrimad Bhagavatham”. There under “Bhagawan Uvacha” what are narrated as said were spoken by “Lord Shiva”. Then shall I say that “Vyasacharyal” refers “Lord Shiva” as “Bhagawan”.
4. Last but not least in “Dasama Skanda” of Shrimad Bhagavatham” you would find the following beautiful shloka:

“Kathyayani Mahamaye Mahayogin Yatheeswari”
“Nanda gopa sutham dehi pathim me …. ….”

Now Brindavana Gopis are treated as one of the best among Bhagawat Bakthas. I don’t know why they did not worship like

“Ksheerabdhi tanaye devi Vishnu Vaksha shala sthithe”
“Nanda gopa sutham dehi pathim me…. …. “.

But would the “ISKCON” dare to say that “gopis” indulged in “Devathanthara Puja”.

From the above quoted aspects of “ISKCON” , I think it of a “Jalaashaya” with water and “Halahala Visha”. “Swacha Jalam” consisting of their pure and noble activities of “Self less service of Bhagavan Nama Prachara” and “Halahala Visham” consisting of “disrespect, dishonesty, Namecalling, Ego, “. Neverthless I strongly believe “Bhagawan Nama” is a nectar which has the power to dissolve their evil thinkings. And the power of those “Smarthas” doing their dedicated “Upasana” as ordained by the “Smruthis” would protect them. “Dharmo Rakshathi Rakshithaha”

Radhe Krishna