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Indian Culture-general Discussions - II
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Quote:Rain appeared miraculously because the weather throughout the day was blistering hot and dry and the sky remained starry and clear in the evening. It changed in five minutes as the sky turned dark and a strong wind built up at around 9.30 p.m.

Quote:Those present at the venue claimed that a ‘garuda’ (eagle) was seen flying over the ‘Yagasala’ early in the day, which experts claimed a good omen.

Well of course it would have rained. And of course an eagle would have done a fly-by. It's Hindu religion after all. It works. That's what heathen religions do:

It's like the other hyper-heathens. E.g. the back then still-unconverted Africans with their rain dances, and the native North Americans with theirs - they all did their thing and then it would rain on cue as well, as per even European observers.





Quote:In 1975, noted Dutch Indologist Frits Staal documented the ritual in a two-volume Vedic treatise -- "Agni: The Vedic Ritual of the Fire Altar".



Staal, 81, who has returned this time, watched the proceedings from behind a barricaded enclosure. "Not much has changed. The ritual is alive and well. But it is a real pleasure to be back to Thrissur," he said.



A team from Harvard University led by professor Micheal Witzel is also studying the Sama Vedic chants. "It is one of the oldest living Vedic traditions and has not changed much," Witzel told IANS.



The ancient fire rite is an elaborate avatar of 'agnihotram' and 'somayaga' - fire worship and offering of the 'soma' rasa to the ritual fire - prescribed in the Vedas.

1. Elsewhere, Staal was described as a "Vedicist and Philosopher". Probably self-declared, I don't know who else would pronounce him a philosopher. I understand that now "vedicist" (or whatever) is a term open to any and all, including aliens. But uh... never will he a Philosopher be.



2. Why are aliens allowed to witness an intensely privately Hindu event all of a sudden? Clearly they're not needed for the yagnya to succeed: they're *not* the experts on conducting one (and never will be). But is their presence on account of them choosing to fund some part of this event (as part of their massive self-serving anthropological/aquisition project)?



3. And Witzel & co. - admittedly the most benign of the lot I can think of, together with Staal who I presume is not malignant except for his unnatural presence at an event that doesn't concern him, no matter how wonderful a person he may or may not be -

Witzel deigned to pay an anthropological, indological visit? I recall there was a whole gaggle of alien "vedicists" who declared years ago that they'd read Staal's book (I think it was his work they were referring to, but I confess it could turn out to be some other "important" alien work/account of Vedic ritual, though I suspect it is Staal's work). And the said alien self-declared "vedicists" (though they call themselves "brahmanas" - note the replacement theology) expressed the sort of keen interest in all such things that I am sure the minute they'd have heard of the 2011 event, they would have pre-booked a plane and hopped on over to minutely observe (in order to later copy) the actual heathens in Thrissur.

I once more speak here of the kind of terrific Alien that pretends to perform vedic sacrifices as if they have any right to do so.

I don't care WHO it is and HOW friendly they are nor if it's your own dear beloved boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse/blood-brother/parallel-universe-twin, Hindus should tell them to Stay Away from our religion. It's not for sale or for inheritance or gifting or sharing or anything. It simply doesn't concern them.



But Witzel is a dear friend in the comparison to the others who threatened an unnatural interest. Still, isn't Witzel one of those who is visibly anti-Hindu and the one who aspired to cleverness in making some lame acronym concerning the Hindu presence In North America? Never mind he's a German In North America... But if only he would have stayed put there, it wouldn't have mattered to anyone (not to me, anyway). But who invited him to Thrissur, deep in Hindoo territory? How did he figure he had a right to invite himself over? And there, to terrorise Hindus with his presence?

Why does he badmouth Hindus in one place and is yet so desperate to shadow them/insinuate himself into their presence elsewhere in order to observe their extreme heathenism? (That is a question easily answered, though I'm using Witzel as a token here.)

Again: do Hindus ever ask themselves these questions?



When he has long been working against Hindus, what do people think he and more importantly other ...indological or even "vedicist" aliens are doing in India at a yagnya, "observing" it (and doubtless documenting it)? Moreover, when he is so anti-Hindu elsewhere, why this great interest in deeply Hindoo events in Hindu land? And no, it's NOT espionage or something anti-national that they're upto in this particular matter (they could casually come to India at any time by finding some anthropological/indological pretext, and Witzel has. But they specifically desired to come to this.)

The answer is something else. (Oh use your brain.) While Witzel isn't quite so scary, his name is mentioned in the news report and he is a known anti-Hindu, so people should at least be suspicious of him, if no one else. But I doubt he and Staal were the only aliens there - who's betting others wouldn't have missed the opportunity?



I doubt the Hindoos of the yagnya are fully aware of/up-to-speed with certain important matters, but why don't other Hindus who may be in contact with them (surely someone among the organisers/the media reps these events have suddenly got) and who speak English and who keep track of international news enough to know that Witzel is an anti-Hindu (and that other - more silent - aliens with an unseemly and disturbing taste for "Vedic rituals" are even greater anti-Hindus), go and tell the poor heathens of Thrissur not to let any aliens and in particular the alien terrorists (and the scarier ones) anywhere near them and their yagnya? Even if they're not scary but are your best friend (as some indeed are), do they belong there? This doesn't concern them in any way. Nothing Hindu does, but in particular, these things don't. Saying so is not "discrimination". It's simply not aliens' religion. (They have their own legitimate, ancestral religions.) I'm sure I never heard of homams and yagnyas (in Bharatam) where aliens were allowed.



Oh but I forget. This yagnya is described as some sort of Indian cultural event that was projected/explained away in media items as being purely for the "environment" or something. I can't imagine a more Universal(ising) description. Your enemies could skewer you easy with that one (if they have a brain and use it - as I'm sure they do.)
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