03-17-2005, 01:05 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Mar 15 2005, 09:29 PM-->QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Mar 15 2005, 09:29 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> [*] <i>In 1930 there was a Partition of Hindus and Dalits</i>
[*] <i>we kill 3 dalits for every Paki killed!</i>
[*] <i>We just dont know reconciliation - it is not taught in our scriptures</i>
[*] <i>there is no room for coexistence between these two groups</i>
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1. It is clear from the article that it was not just Ambedkar that was turned away from the temple; rather Hindus reiterated positively in this modern age that dalits are not part of the Hindu religion, and are not wanted. It was a turning away and a slap in the face to a whole community. I think we can imagine how they would have felt. This was a modern day partition of the Hindus and dalits. And no Hindu leader; Gandhi, Nehru, Sawarkar, etc., stood up against this abomination.
We divided ourselves from the dalits, and within 17 years the muslims divided themselves from us. Then, aghast Hindus divided themselves into secularists, athiests and communits. Then we divided Pakistan into two. See the karmic effect? We have no history of reconciliation in the 20th century.
2. I posted some months ago statistics on Crimes Against Dalits (which was trashed), where it showed that there were a quarter million such crimes in a 10 year period; of which about 12% resulted in murders. In a single year there were 8,000 such murders, while in the 1971 war we lost about 7,000 men and the Pakis somewhat more. We have no wars against Pakis now, yet each year dalits are being murdered. This is an unspoken ongoing war against dalits.
3 & 4. Glad you caught this, which must be challenged, and that is why it was put there. My comments were, I do not know of reconcilation in the shastras between large groups of communities, although there are several cases of individual acts. Hostile coexistence was there, eg Hindus and muslims. But I could be wrong as the shastras are voluminous, and perhaps someone could point out to me of actual incidences where whole groups of communities reconciled and lived in mutual harmonious and respectul coexistence. I am willing to stand down.
Because they could not coexist harmoniously did this give rise to caste groups. The way I see it it was usually degradation and erosion by attrition - whether Pandavas and Kauravas, Ayodhya and Sri Lanka, Brahma, Siva and Vishnu, Tamil and Sanskrit, Buddhism and Jainism, Vedas and Agamas, vedic homa worship and temple murthi worship, etc. However it is understood that attrition is the natural order of atrophy.
[*] <i>we kill 3 dalits for every Paki killed!</i>
[*] <i>We just dont know reconciliation - it is not taught in our scriptures</i>
[*] <i>there is no room for coexistence between these two groups</i>
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1. It is clear from the article that it was not just Ambedkar that was turned away from the temple; rather Hindus reiterated positively in this modern age that dalits are not part of the Hindu religion, and are not wanted. It was a turning away and a slap in the face to a whole community. I think we can imagine how they would have felt. This was a modern day partition of the Hindus and dalits. And no Hindu leader; Gandhi, Nehru, Sawarkar, etc., stood up against this abomination.
We divided ourselves from the dalits, and within 17 years the muslims divided themselves from us. Then, aghast Hindus divided themselves into secularists, athiests and communits. Then we divided Pakistan into two. See the karmic effect? We have no history of reconciliation in the 20th century.
2. I posted some months ago statistics on Crimes Against Dalits (which was trashed), where it showed that there were a quarter million such crimes in a 10 year period; of which about 12% resulted in murders. In a single year there were 8,000 such murders, while in the 1971 war we lost about 7,000 men and the Pakis somewhat more. We have no wars against Pakis now, yet each year dalits are being murdered. This is an unspoken ongoing war against dalits.
3 & 4. Glad you caught this, which must be challenged, and that is why it was put there. My comments were, I do not know of reconcilation in the shastras between large groups of communities, although there are several cases of individual acts. Hostile coexistence was there, eg Hindus and muslims. But I could be wrong as the shastras are voluminous, and perhaps someone could point out to me of actual incidences where whole groups of communities reconciled and lived in mutual harmonious and respectul coexistence. I am willing to stand down.
Because they could not coexist harmoniously did this give rise to caste groups. The way I see it it was usually degradation and erosion by attrition - whether Pandavas and Kauravas, Ayodhya and Sri Lanka, Brahma, Siva and Vishnu, Tamil and Sanskrit, Buddhism and Jainism, Vedas and Agamas, vedic homa worship and temple murthi worship, etc. However it is understood that attrition is the natural order of atrophy.