03-21-2005, 12:03 AM
Thanks for the responses and excuse the delayed reply. Been travelling.
I stand corrected on Savarkar, G. Subra and Viren. I have since revised my view that we really cannot blame the socio-political leaders like Gandhi, Nehru and Savarkar for their feeble activism against discrimination against dalits in Hinduism - there was nothing much they could do. The leaders of Hinduism who could have made a difference would be the sampradaya heads - the archaryas and madhadipathis. They were silent.
Viren, the article was twice posted with different comments of mine. Hence the confusion.
Rajesh, the dalits ARE Hindus but the non-dalits rejected association with them, implying they are not Hindus. Temples are where the Hindu/Indian/residents' congregation gathers to greet the Diety at the appointed times. Dalits are also termed 'avarna' - no varna. Some say only the 4 varnas are Hindus.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->R: I dont think your points in #3 and #4 deserves any rebuttal. I will just give you one example -> hindus and sikhs and be done with it.
KR: Reconciliation based on scriptures is for religions based on "books", and one wonders why it is not in hinduism?Â
GS is right. "Reconciliation and lack of it in our scriptures" is really a christian/islamic way of looking at the world.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rajesh, you are wrong as K.Ram and GS says. Please rebut. (Sikhism. Is not in our shastras)
K. Ram, I am surprised, sad and flabbergasted to know that my view was correct. I really wanted to be wrong. How did the genious of Hinduism fail in so important an issue other than offering institutionalised caste coexistence?
Will respond to the others later.
I stand corrected on Savarkar, G. Subra and Viren. I have since revised my view that we really cannot blame the socio-political leaders like Gandhi, Nehru and Savarkar for their feeble activism against discrimination against dalits in Hinduism - there was nothing much they could do. The leaders of Hinduism who could have made a difference would be the sampradaya heads - the archaryas and madhadipathis. They were silent.
Viren, the article was twice posted with different comments of mine. Hence the confusion.
Rajesh, the dalits ARE Hindus but the non-dalits rejected association with them, implying they are not Hindus. Temples are where the Hindu/Indian/residents' congregation gathers to greet the Diety at the appointed times. Dalits are also termed 'avarna' - no varna. Some say only the 4 varnas are Hindus.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->R: I dont think your points in #3 and #4 deserves any rebuttal. I will just give you one example -> hindus and sikhs and be done with it.
KR: Reconciliation based on scriptures is for religions based on "books", and one wonders why it is not in hinduism?Â
GS is right. "Reconciliation and lack of it in our scriptures" is really a christian/islamic way of looking at the world.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Rajesh, you are wrong as K.Ram and GS says. Please rebut. (Sikhism. Is not in our shastras)
K. Ram, I am surprised, sad and flabbergasted to know that my view was correct. I really wanted to be wrong. How did the genious of Hinduism fail in so important an issue other than offering institutionalised caste coexistence?
Will respond to the others later.