^ Still need to post some more related to that. Sigh.
1. However, this next is [color="#0000FF"]related to topic of posts 421/422[/color] at the top of this page.
From the above:
I.e. the thundering over the Himalayas sounds "angry" to the geologist. C.f. how to others - I speak of the Hindoos - it sounded like some really heavy battle is going on (i.e. between Bhagavaan Indran and the water-hogging Vritra perched on the mountains and who had made the sky go dark by drinking up all the waters while the land thirsted). Then after the thunder - owing to the weather created by the Himalayas - the rains were released: India's monsoon, again due to the sheer massive size of the Himaalayas influencing weather drastically.
IIRC another source mentioned that the formation of the Himaalayas - caused by the subduction of the Tethys ocean-plate which pulled the Indian landmass in and caused it to collide with the rest of Asia - which mountain formation directly caused the massive monsoons, meant that Africa got far less rain (Himalayas hogged rain and largely confined it to the surrounding region) and led to or at least contributed to much heavy greenery disappearing in Africa. Much of the water on the planet is recycled - i.e. it's an internal cycle maintained on our planet with the help of the atmosphere which is owing to our planet's gravity, but some water has come in - at least in the earth's history - from the usual space debris.
(Further, winds sweeping westward over Africa lift up its heavily nutrient-rich soil, drive this over the Atlantic, and deposit it over S America particularly the Amazon making its soil very nutrient-rich and directly causing its teeming life there. Climate systems are amazing, especially that of our planet :bias
2. Summarised from 2 different sources:
On a sort of related matter, but more concerned with the topic of dragons/sea serpents that cause flooding, is this next subjective description - also by a scientist - of another natural event. Paraphrased from memory. The event concerns the melting of the huge glacial lake of Missoula that had kept its waters back in North America some 16,000 years ago or so (sorry, dates are another thing that expire from my brain). So when this really huge glacial lake melted, it caused massive, massive flooding of a scale I think we'd consider unprecedented. All this flooding happened within 48 hours to about a week. It carved out some famous rocky faces in the N American landscape.
The scientist working in this field and discussing the sheer cataclysmic scope of the sudden flooding caused by the ice melting and releasing the waters of the lake, at one point described that it IIRC would have been like a "sea monster". (I might perhaps try to get a verbatim quote for this in future.)
Now, both the "angry" thunderstorm description in point 1 above, and the description of the massive flooding being like some "sea monster" in 2, were by modern scientists. They were both attributing some 'life' to lifeless natural phenomena in order to draw analogies/be expressive. The point being: no need to impute "ur-shared-human mythology" OR the much-later PIE-ism to what can most easily be simply independent cases (independent examples of how the human mind works when faced with natural phenomena, and a common tendency in human minds to somehow describe such things anthropomorphically or imbue them with some 'life' as it were)...
Again -
The point being: no need to impute "ur-shared-human mythology" OR the much-later PIE-ism to what can most easily be simply independent cases, especially when such cases are only superficially 'similar', like Susano-o vs Orochi's case is to anything in IE-ism, and whereas other cases are at least as - if not more - 'similar', e.g. the instance provided among the native Americans in an earlier post and repeated in #421.
1. However, this next is [color="#0000FF"]related to topic of posts 421/422[/color] at the top of this page.
Quote:The walls of this valley, 2,700 metres above sea level, are brimming with the remains of ancient sea creatures. Marine fossils have been found right across the [color="#0000FF"]Himalaya[/color], including right at the top of Mt Everest. It is astonishing to think that rocks that started out at the bottom of the Tethys Ocean are now the roof of the world.
When India collided with Eurasia, the ocean floor at the margins of the Tethys was thrust upwards, forming an immense barrier across the continent. And it is by creating that barrier that the Tethys has had a profound effect on the course of human history. And still does to this day. [color="#0000FF"]Because mountains this high can't help but interfere with the climate.
(THUNDER RUMBLES in background)
That is one angry sky up there, isn't it? **
That's the thing about mountains. They create their own weather in them. The bigger they are, the bigger the weather they create. Somewhere behind that cloud and mist is the Himalayas, the biggest [mountains] on the planet. So it's no real surprise then, that it produces one of the most important weather systems on the planet: the monsoon.
(THUNDER RUMBLES in background)
(WIND AND RAIN starts pouring down heavily)
The winds that bring the moist air rise up along these slopes and just dump rain and snow on those hills and you get these brutal downpours like these, that kind of running up to the wet season that dump water in the gorges and the rivers up there, creates mudslides and landslides that chuck it down, chuck material. If you can just see, there's a river down there that's flooded, that's just full of mud and dirt that's been taken out of that mountain range. This is one of the most dynamic active environments in the world. And also one of the wettest.
(THUNDER, RAIN DOWNPOUR, more THUNDER - ongoing in background)
These sediment-laden waters flow down from the mountains and out onto the plains of India, Pakistan and China. And combined with the monsoon rains, water and nutrient-rich soils from the Himalayas support 3 billion people. Nearly half the world's population.[/color]
But the formation of Eurasia has had a much wider impact on civilisation, because India's collision was only the beginning of the end for the Tethys: Arabia also moved north, creating the Zagros and Taurus mountains that run through Iran and Turkey. Italy and Greece collided with northern Europe building the Alps, and completing a mountain chain that spans the entire length of Eurasia and marks the final resting place of the once great Tethys Ocean.
(ROTH-4-40)
From the above:
Quote:That is one angry sky up there, isn't it?
I.e. the thundering over the Himalayas sounds "angry" to the geologist. C.f. how to others - I speak of the Hindoos - it sounded like some really heavy battle is going on (i.e. between Bhagavaan Indran and the water-hogging Vritra perched on the mountains and who had made the sky go dark by drinking up all the waters while the land thirsted). Then after the thunder - owing to the weather created by the Himalayas - the rains were released: India's monsoon, again due to the sheer massive size of the Himaalayas influencing weather drastically.
IIRC another source mentioned that the formation of the Himaalayas - caused by the subduction of the Tethys ocean-plate which pulled the Indian landmass in and caused it to collide with the rest of Asia - which mountain formation directly caused the massive monsoons, meant that Africa got far less rain (Himalayas hogged rain and largely confined it to the surrounding region) and led to or at least contributed to much heavy greenery disappearing in Africa. Much of the water on the planet is recycled - i.e. it's an internal cycle maintained on our planet with the help of the atmosphere which is owing to our planet's gravity, but some water has come in - at least in the earth's history - from the usual space debris.
(Further, winds sweeping westward over Africa lift up its heavily nutrient-rich soil, drive this over the Atlantic, and deposit it over S America particularly the Amazon making its soil very nutrient-rich and directly causing its teeming life there. Climate systems are amazing, especially that of our planet :bias
2. Summarised from 2 different sources:
On a sort of related matter, but more concerned with the topic of dragons/sea serpents that cause flooding, is this next subjective description - also by a scientist - of another natural event. Paraphrased from memory. The event concerns the melting of the huge glacial lake of Missoula that had kept its waters back in North America some 16,000 years ago or so (sorry, dates are another thing that expire from my brain). So when this really huge glacial lake melted, it caused massive, massive flooding of a scale I think we'd consider unprecedented. All this flooding happened within 48 hours to about a week. It carved out some famous rocky faces in the N American landscape.
The scientist working in this field and discussing the sheer cataclysmic scope of the sudden flooding caused by the ice melting and releasing the waters of the lake, at one point described that it IIRC would have been like a "sea monster". (I might perhaps try to get a verbatim quote for this in future.)
Now, both the "angry" thunderstorm description in point 1 above, and the description of the massive flooding being like some "sea monster" in 2, were by modern scientists. They were both attributing some 'life' to lifeless natural phenomena in order to draw analogies/be expressive. The point being: no need to impute "ur-shared-human mythology" OR the much-later PIE-ism to what can most easily be simply independent cases (independent examples of how the human mind works when faced with natural phenomena, and a common tendency in human minds to somehow describe such things anthropomorphically or imbue them with some 'life' as it were)...
Again -
The point being: no need to impute "ur-shared-human mythology" OR the much-later PIE-ism to what can most easily be simply independent cases, especially when such cases are only superficially 'similar', like Susano-o vs Orochi's case is to anything in IE-ism, and whereas other cases are at least as - if not more - 'similar', e.g. the instance provided among the native Americans in an earlier post and repeated in #421.