<!--QuoteBegin-Pathmarajah+Mar 27 2005, 04:13 PM-->QUOTE(Pathmarajah @ Mar 27 2005, 04:13 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Mar 27 2005, 03:19 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sunder @ Mar 27 2005, 03:19 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> You are trying to wedge a split where none exists, and I am asking you this.. What do you expect to accomplish by whining about things ? Is whining your only strategy or do you have a constructive solution to closing the so-called "dalit"-divide?
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Sunder, I actually agree with much of your comments, and I have mentioned these same things in other threads. It is not a keyhole perspective, as I am only covering the area of spiritual equality of Hindus.
The dalits can keep their status for political reasons, but on religious and spiritual matters we must reconcile with them, and admit them as full fledged Hindus, which anyway is beginning to happen.
I am certainly not trying to drive a wedge. There is already a wedge. My post was about 'reconciliation', giving the example of the atonement by the grandson of the priest who denied entry to Ambedkar. That is an example of reconcialiation that we must follow. Kanchi devotees now want to teach rudram/chamakam to all Hindus. This is reconciliation. They also want to admit dalits into their vedapadasalas. This is reconciliation on a mass scale. This is the strategy for closing the dalit divide. Now isn't this a constructive solution?
Kind regards.
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I have noticed a lot blame is put on Brahmins as being responsible for all the discrimination, but most if not all of the acts of violence against dalits is done by other groups ?
Brahmins were tradionally attacked by Muslims and Christians because they thought if the people were convinced to hate their town shaman, HInduism will be destroyed.
Interesting though the discrimination in Indian Christian churches, all that hot air about them being superior is clearly shown to be false. A White racist Ku Klux Klan type brought them the religion, so what else can you expect.
Why not focus on rapid Industrializion of India and improve the standard of living and provide jobs, that will help decrease the ethnic hatred in India [Won't help with Muslims however ]
Japan's caste system for example is not a cause of great tension anymore because of their 1st world standard of living. Samurai, Burakamin and other castes still exist in Japan however. India is likely to follow this track.
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Sunder, I actually agree with much of your comments, and I have mentioned these same things in other threads. It is not a keyhole perspective, as I am only covering the area of spiritual equality of Hindus.
The dalits can keep their status for political reasons, but on religious and spiritual matters we must reconcile with them, and admit them as full fledged Hindus, which anyway is beginning to happen.
I am certainly not trying to drive a wedge. There is already a wedge. My post was about 'reconciliation', giving the example of the atonement by the grandson of the priest who denied entry to Ambedkar. That is an example of reconcialiation that we must follow. Kanchi devotees now want to teach rudram/chamakam to all Hindus. This is reconciliation. They also want to admit dalits into their vedapadasalas. This is reconciliation on a mass scale. This is the strategy for closing the dalit divide. Now isn't this a constructive solution?
Kind regards.
Pathma <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have noticed a lot blame is put on Brahmins as being responsible for all the discrimination, but most if not all of the acts of violence against dalits is done by other groups ?
Brahmins were tradionally attacked by Muslims and Christians because they thought if the people were convinced to hate their town shaman, HInduism will be destroyed.
Interesting though the discrimination in Indian Christian churches, all that hot air about them being superior is clearly shown to be false. A White racist Ku Klux Klan type brought them the religion, so what else can you expect.
Why not focus on rapid Industrializion of India and improve the standard of living and provide jobs, that will help decrease the ethnic hatred in India [Won't help with Muslims however ]
Japan's caste system for example is not a cause of great tension anymore because of their 1st world standard of living. Samurai, Burakamin and other castes still exist in Japan however. India is likely to follow this track.