Unmasking AIT

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David Anthony is a hoot. He uses Wendy Doniger's translations for the Rig Veda.

Implication: Anthony doesn't know Sanskrit.



Yet he desperately depends on the Veda though. Since, as far as I understand, a lot of "IE" innovations in the C-Asian steppes are specifically associated with "Indo-Iranians". And it can't be claimed for white supremacism unless the "Indo-Iranians" are claimed.





Anyway. This post was brought on by something I remembered seeing in Elst's writing, who quotes Lal who denied Possehl:



indiafacts.org/excavations-show-the-cultural-continuity-of-the-vedic-harappans/

Similarly, Lal opposes a claim made by the late Gregory Possehl that a horse find in Bactria indicates a Vedic horse sacrifice, performed by Aryans on their way to India. He points out that the horse was beheaded and thus does not satisfy the Vedic prescriptions for a horse sacrifice.



We remark that there was no need for being so defensive: for argument’s sake, just let this horse be a Vedic sacrificial victim. Since the Rg-Veda was composed in the 3rd millennium (and not in 1200 BCE as Possehl assumed), earlier than this Bactrian horse, it only confirms an India-to-Bactria migration, not the other way around.

A variant also at:

hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=5649

Similarly, Lal opposes the late Gregory Possehl’s claim that a horse find in Bactria indicates a Vedic horse sacrifice, performed by Aryans on their way to India. He points out that the horse was beheaded and does not satisfy the Vedic prescriptions for a horse sacrifice. But I would point out there is no need to refute Possehl. Since the Rig Veda was composed in the 3rd millennium (and not in 1200 bce as Possehl assumed), earlier than this Bactrian horse, as a sacrificial Vedic offering it would only confirm an India-to-Bactria migration, not the other way around.

Ah, but even if Lal or Hindoos denied that a headless horse burial in the adjoining Afghan lands was a Vedic horse sacrifice,

IE-ists will just argue that it was a Vedic/PIE burial.

As indeed they do below, though not with a headless horse, but rather concerning an instance of a headless man with a horse's head found in the Steppe from the bronze age:



silk-road.com/artl/horsemyth.shtml

Let Them Eat Horses

by Dr. David Anthony

(Only a "Dr"? I'm disappointed. Even Doniger made "professor".)

(Original print at NEWSLETTER - Institute For Ancient Equestrian Studies, No. 4/Summer 1997



Anthony is repeatedly referenced as THE authority for the claim that an earlier dig revealed that a Sintashta or post-Sintashta burial of a horse's head with the body of a man shows a Vedic burial by "Indo-Iranians" in that "(post)-Sintashta IE culture". He also specifically claims that the Rig Veda is "Indo-Iranian" using the burial.

I suppose Witzel types may have written on the subject too (since the dig itself was old), but Anthony's 2007 pop-IE book is credited by all the amateur IE-fandom on wackypedia for enlightening the Euro masses about their claims on Vedic religio and capturing their imagination/introducing them to the IE paradigm.



Dr Anthony refers to his better, Prof Wendy Doniger, for translations from Skt:

silk-road.com/artl/horsemyth.shtml

Here are selected verses describing the Vedic horse sacrifices, translated from the Sanskrit by Prof. Wendy Doniger:

[....]

And then at the end:

FURTHER READ1NGS ON TH1S SUBJECT



The Rig Veda; an Anthology One hundred and eight hymns, selected, translated, and annotated by Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty. Published by Penguin Books, 1981.



The Religion and Philosophy of the I/eda and Upanishads. By Arthur Berriedale Keith. Published by Motilal Banarsidass in Delhi, Patna, and Varanasi, 1925. Authorized reprint as Volume Thirty-one of the Harvard Oriental Series in 1970.



"The Tale of the Indo-European Horse Sacrifices." By Wendy Doniger (at The University of Chicago) in Incognita (Leiden) 1:1-15, 1990.

Before laughing hysterically about one "expert" citing another fake "expert", it is important to realise that Anthony is THE guy who resurrected the Kurgan thesis and pushed for it to be #1. Not Mallory, not Kuzmina, not anybody else. They did their best, but got nowhere. Anthony even inspired the Eurocentrist masses with his pop-IE book.



But here is Anthony, who has to resort to Doniger to understand the Veda. Thanks to Doniger's translations - only worth something to alien demons - Anthony concludes:

One of the most intriguing myths in the Rig Veda concerns a man, Dadhyanc Atharvan, who learned from Tvastr, the maker god, the secret of making mead, an intoxicating honey drink. The Asvins, or the Divine Twins who are themselves occasionally represented poetically as a pair of young horses, insisted that Dadhyanc tell them the secret of the mead. He refused. They cut off his head and replaced it with the head of a horse, through which he became an oracle and told them the secret they desired. In other hymns in the Rig Veda horse heads flowed magically with honey.



These ritual themes have been investigated archaeologically by the IAES and its sister organization in Samara, Russia, the Institute for the History and Archaeology of the Volga. Excavations led by Dr. Igor Vasiliev have unearthed ritual deposits of horse heads at Syezh'ye, a Copper Age cemetery dated about 4500-5000 B.C. in the Samara River valley in Russia. On the ancient surface above a group of nine Copper Age graves, Vasiliev's team found two horse skulls lying with various ornaments, broken ceramic pots, and stone tools within a redstained patch of powdered red ochre. The horses obviously were part of a funerary offering, the oldest of its kind yet found. At Dereivka on the Dnieper River in Ukraine, the now-famous horse with bit wear on its premolar teeth was part of a head-and-hoof deposit at the edge of a settlement dated about 42003700 B.C. It was found with the remains of two dogs, which probably were part of the same ritual offering. In a grave in the Elista steppes, south of the lower Volga in Russia, excavators found the skulls of 40 horses deposited in a Catacomb-culture grave dated about 2500 B.C. But the most fascinating discovery of this kind was a find that could have been the grave of Dadhyanc himself.



At Potapovka, near Samara on the Sok River, excavations conducted from 1985-1988 exposed four burial mounds, or kurgans, dated about 2200-2000 B.C. Beneath kurgan 3, the central grave pit contained the remains of a man buried with at least two horse heads and the head of a sheep, in addition to pottery vessels and weapons. After the grave pit was filled, a human male was decapitated, his head was replaced with the head of a horse, and he was laid down over the filled grave shaft. This unique ritual deposit provides a convincing antecedent for the Vedic myth.

"Antecedent" assumes Veda's late dating and AIT.

Note the grand storytelling based on the find. Just like the headless Bactrian horse burial - declared Vedic sacrifice - was assumed to be "proof" of the stage of "Indo-Iranians" before entering India, the instance in the steppe Potapovka of a horse head buried with a headless human is declared as the steppe origin of the "Indo-Iranians" before oryan-invading C/S Asia.



1. Why do they pretend every find in any region or time must be the first of its kind? (Be it Bactria or Potapovka in this example, but the same process is attempted with many of their invasionist arguments)

And hence that older finds elsewhere says something about PIE migration direction?

2. What if people simply haven't dug everywhere yet where the alleged "Indo-Iranians"* went - assuming all burials were well-preserved - to track the oldest of mutilated horse burial?

3. What if the practice was ancient, thousands of years older? Or what if the practice was rare? Etc. What if the steppe practice had nothing to do with the Veda? It could be independent, right?

I mean, Bronze Age middle-Easterners (in Syria, "Israel-Palestine", Iraq etc) "throughout the entire 3rd and 2nd millennia BCE" were [url="http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/175638010X12797246583852?journalCode=ylev20"]burying[/url] donkeys ritually - and at times with humans too. And the artificial orientation of the animal's head or other parts to face the East or another specific direction is remarked upon by archaeologists too, just as the orientation is often remarked upon in the cases of so-called IE burials of man and/or horse etc. The main difference is that the ME case concerns donkeys. So, unless IE-ists choose to use some hittite or mittani or Persian connection to Syria and Egypt and Babylon to declare IE influence (backwards in time) - or claim IE influence/origins of Mesopotamia (also backwards in time) - IE-ists will no doubt dismiss the middle-eastern case with "No Horse means nothing to do with IE-ism. We're talking ritual burying of the true horse exclusively, not fake donkeys. IE-ism is unique because whiteness is unique/it's only cool when we did it." IE-tropism.)



The links, explicitly listed:

- tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/175638010X12797246583852?journalCode=ylev20

also at: researchgate.net/publication/233541056_Assessing_Sacred_Asses_Bronze_Age_Donkey_Burials_in_the_Near_East

- anthropology.uw.edu.pl/06/bne-06-02.pdf Around p.37. p.37 further has a photo



Note: As explained above, the ancient middle-easterners ritually sacrificed donkeys in instances like when making treaties.





[* Contrary to Elst's claims, IE-ists are not and never were talking about some language, they're always talking about a population: specifically about Europeans/"white" people.]



4. Also, Anthony is famous for (deliberately?) misrepresenting dates of later burials - on top of older burials - as having the older date. As seen in the example Priyadarshi pointed out. Specifically involving just the kind of those covered by the fraud above:



Said Anthony:

silk-road.com/artl/horsemyth.shtml

At Dereivka on the Dnieper River in Ukraine, the now-famous (now infamous, you mean) horse with bit wear on its premolar teeth was part of a head-and-hoof deposit at the edge of a settlement dated about 42003700 B.C. It was found with the remains of two dogs, which probably were part of the same ritual offering.

Priyadarshi summarised the blunder:



aryaninvasionmyth.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/3/

The much widely publicized story of the horse domestication at Dereivka (horse-and-dog burial, Ukraine) at 4200-3700 BCE, which is generally believed even today, proved wrong in 2000. The dates claimed were of the soil layer, not of the skull. The Dereivka horse was never accepted as domestic horse by a large number of scholars (like Levine, Hausler etc). To silence the opposition, the skull bone was directly radiocarbon dated and found to be from 3000 BCE (Anthony 1997). However it became soon obvious that this report was wrong as a bone not actually belonging to the horse had been tested by mistake. Still later, by actual radiocarbon dating of the horse skull, it came out that the horse-burial had been made by a much later settlement, settled over the same place (Scythian era 800-200 BCE), digging deep into the lower layers. David Anthony, author of the Dereivka story was left with no choice. He quickly retracted his earlier claim (Anthony:2000, 2009:215).

I have no reason to believe the oryanist conclusions/storytelling about the archaeological dig in Potapovka as pointing to being the "antecedent for the Vedic myth".



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They did it again!

Turns out it was YET ANOTHER big lie -



tamilandvedas.com/2014/08/27/horse-headed-seer-rig-veda-mystery-no-1/

One of the mysteries of Rig Veda that puzzled the westerners is the Story of Dadhyanc Atharvan, a Rishi with a horse head. Until the year 2000, they wrote that they have discovered his grave in Potapovka near Samara in Russia. By 2010 they have changed their view!



Excavations of 1985-86 of a kurgan burial dated 2200 BCE at Potapovka revealed in grave shaft of kurgan no.3, a decapitated man with a horse skull replacing his head. In simple terms, the man’s head was removed and a horse head was fixed. They thought that it was the grave of Rig Vedic seer Dadhyanc. Later research showed that the skeleton of both the horse and the human being were not of male, but of female. They also found the horse head was fixed 1000 years after the human being’s death. This shows that we can’t jump to conclusion by listening to archaeologists! They only “interpret” it and confirm in what they have already believed. In this case they started talking Aryan migration from the Steppes.



Still some questions remain unanswered: Why did they put horse head there after 1000 years? Why did someone behead the man or woman?

(Why? Well, considering they lie compulsively to oryanise history - and not just Victor Mair but every IE-ists apparently, see 2 cases involving "Vedic" burials in the steppes above, both of which Anthony bragged about and which are *still* repeated all over the web as "proof" of bronze age steppe origins of the Veda -

considering they lie compulsively, I have no reason to assume that the horse head was added 1000 years later: it may have been inserted by oryanist archaeologists, and they just happened to get caught. When they lie/tell stories and try to get away with it, what's stopping them from outright forgery? Wasn't it IIRC Victor Mair who attempted forging archaeological "evidence" of oryanism too?)

Now let's hear that story again that the serial-forger "Dr" David Anthony told - and which most every amateur IE-ist bragging online about their genetics being R1a (or the now-fail R1b) repeated all over the web. The story about how the Potapovka burial somehow should have been the antecedent of the Rig Veda story about Dadhya~nc. The one even hypothesising that Dadhyanc (a Vedic Rishi) was probably buried in Potapovka. (Which claim to uniqueness seems to be an IE-ist admission that no more such "burials" were to be expected even in the steppes: there being only one Rishi Dadhyanc who got his head replaced with horse's by the Ashwinau.)



What happened to all their storytelling? More importantly: why are white supremacist oryanists still repeating the lie of Anthony's forgeries all over the web? I've counted 2 now, who knows how many more of his forgeries have been outed, and how many more he got away with?



These people are born liars. If they were an honourable people, they'd have killed themselves already by now. But they're dishonourable as a function of their very nature. Irredeemable. They merely look human, but are possessed by (that spin-off of) the christoclass virus: white-supremacism/oryanism. So of course they lie for their ideology. It's a feature of the christoclass virus.



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Forgot to add, Anthony's storytelling convinced even himself. In his free time, he's clearly trying to reconstruct oryanism (probably speaks the constantly-reconstructed PIE with his gang too), and this typically-oryanist hobby of attempting to channel his alleged "IE ancestors" spills over into his article. He starts the article encouraging his gang to eat horses again as part of channelling "their" "PIE" ancestors ('cause their "oryan ancestors" were to have done so, or so Doniger's translations of the Rig Veda tell him):



silk-road.com/artl/horsemyth.shtml

Let Them Eat Horses

by Dr. David Anthony

(Original print at NEWSLETTER - Institute For Ancient Equestrian Studies, No. 4/Summer 1997



Why do most Americans and Europeans find the idea of eating horses so unappetizing! Horseflesh is, after all, extremely nutritious--it is particularly rich in vitamins, iron, and abbumnnodds-and can be very tasty. It is eaten enthusiastically in Kazakstan and other Central Asian countries, as well as in some parts of Europe and French-speaking Canada.

Like the alien demon dabblers calling themselves "Vedicists"/"brahmins"/"VediKKK ReKKKon" have been busy acquiring animals to sacrifice in their re-enactment of "their" Vedic texts and "their" Vedic ancestors, Anthony no doubt is into (sacrificing? and) eating horses at home. "Because his super-oryan ancestors did it."



(Of course reconstructionism to channel visions of B-fantasy "warriors" is no longer limited to aliens: came across Indian Vedic Reconstructionists (there's no other term for them) arguing in the same way on a nationalist site. Same B-fantasy movie.)



Anyway, the people who wrote YSEE.gr's FAQ argue like actual heathens (and their ancestors - whom they honour and whose ways they honour - sacrificed by the hecatombs): ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=english&f=faq#36

Then again these people are not channeling IE-ism, but are heathens following their heathenism, and so they have no need to be part of some constructed B-fantasy, but aim to be part of known heathen reality.



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