03-30-2005, 03:12 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sunder+Mar 30 2005, 01:28 AM-->QUOTE(Sunder @ Mar 30 2005, 01:28 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As I said, look at it geographically, it's pretty logical. People search for warmer climates, North men would wander south to achieve that, thus influencing the genetic make up of people. I don't see how this degrades Indian people now? We are the only people that are able to uphold these excellent beleifs and cultural practices, showing that our ancestors were indeed strong.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Geographically, it's not quite logical, because you can see migrations from Asia into North America around the Ice age. Also geographical evidence is not strong if it is in conflict with DNA evidence. Please read thru Oppenheimer's books before you harp about European blood. European blood is not any more pure than a monkey's blood. Each species unto itself. So please do not bring this European = great, and african = tree-huggers theory here. It's not only racist, it is also demeaning to the great tribes of Africa.
I would say that Europeans are not advanced because they did not (and do not) have a concept of co-existence with nature. They are depleting nature like there is no tomorrow, they have paved way for nuclear bombs and mass scale destructions. They are the ones who are superstitious enough to believe the earth is flat, and hell-fire really exists. You talk of ancestry of such degenerate tribes.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I beleive strongly that there were downward migrations, <b>finding a few cities doesn't disprove Caucasoid blood</b>. It only means they were there early, or an early type of people such as the ones who had mixed to make the Dravidian people (Proto-Europeans, Mediteraneans etc.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See how quickly you dismissed a groundbreaking discovery as "finding a few cities". You did not even pause to think about the implication or significance of such a discovery. You quickly claim that these MUST have been caucasians who ran all the way to build cities in South India (thus taking away credit that Indian Ancestors of the causasians are more than capable of raising well built cities.) You will have to back up your statement above with DNA evidence. Even the european academics do not believe that Caucasians migrated to South India 9500 years ago. You seem to be a Christian fanatic or a Nazi-admirer for your vehement and staunch attachment to Whiteblood. I only believe in red-blood.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for Stephen Oppenheimer, what can I say? I've read some of his work, his theories don't prove why some races are dominant to others, why we are inequal and why Africans are still living in trees and eating each other. Since they are so old and ancient, perhaps you'd think they would've evolved by now.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You now change track from the validity of Oppenheimer's theory on descendancy. You did not say whether you agree of disagree that Indians are the ascendants of Caucasians. Now you directly shoot off in a tangent and talk about "dominance". well, as I mentioned above, the Caucasians are no more special than east-timorians or the antarctican penguins.
I quote from the movie Troy, Briseis says to Achilles:
<b>Briseis:</b> Stop! Too many men have died today! If killing is your only talent, that's your curse. I don't want anyone dying for me.
If europeans' only talent is destruction of anything non-european, then it's their curse, not their greatness.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you wish to have you ancestry belonging to Negroids then that is your choice, I frankly see nothing of theres in our culture, not an influence neither a racial link.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I HAD to laugh uncontrollably for a while. Ancestry cannot be wished for. It is inherited. By wishing I had a great heritage I cannot get one overnight. On the other hand, YOU are in denial of your ancestry, and that your ancestors were capable of influencing the Europeans. The day you learn to respect yourself, you will learn to respect truth.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->To me you sound like some Hinduvta supporter, or some staunch Nationalist who doesn't want to have "omg white blood" because of some experience you had as a child or what?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I AM a Hindu, and I support Truth. Yes, I support the One True Religion, the Religion of the Vedas. I am a staunch Nationalist, and an unflincingly explicit one at that. Do you have a problem with that? About the 'omg white blood' the only white blood I have seen are in cockroackes. I am definitely not a descendant of Cockroackes. If you are, then suit yourself. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> (sorry I had to take your line of argument here.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gandhi disliked Africans, so I seriously doubt such a learned man would have such beleifs if we were from Africa.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My sincere sympathies are with Gandhi. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Denial of Ancestry? I just accept the true one. Not some theory created by a Jew. Indians are a Caucasian subspecies, I wonder how they ended up there.
Geographically, it's not quite logical, because you can see migrations from Asia into North America around the Ice age. Also geographical evidence is not strong if it is in conflict with DNA evidence. Please read thru Oppenheimer's books before you harp about European blood. European blood is not any more pure than a monkey's blood. Each species unto itself. So please do not bring this European = great, and african = tree-huggers theory here. It's not only racist, it is also demeaning to the great tribes of Africa.
I would say that Europeans are not advanced because they did not (and do not) have a concept of co-existence with nature. They are depleting nature like there is no tomorrow, they have paved way for nuclear bombs and mass scale destructions. They are the ones who are superstitious enough to believe the earth is flat, and hell-fire really exists. You talk of ancestry of such degenerate tribes.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I beleive strongly that there were downward migrations, <b>finding a few cities doesn't disprove Caucasoid blood</b>. It only means they were there early, or an early type of people such as the ones who had mixed to make the Dravidian people (Proto-Europeans, Mediteraneans etc.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See how quickly you dismissed a groundbreaking discovery as "finding a few cities". You did not even pause to think about the implication or significance of such a discovery. You quickly claim that these MUST have been caucasians who ran all the way to build cities in South India (thus taking away credit that Indian Ancestors of the causasians are more than capable of raising well built cities.) You will have to back up your statement above with DNA evidence. Even the european academics do not believe that Caucasians migrated to South India 9500 years ago. You seem to be a Christian fanatic or a Nazi-admirer for your vehement and staunch attachment to Whiteblood. I only believe in red-blood.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for Stephen Oppenheimer, what can I say? I've read some of his work, his theories don't prove why some races are dominant to others, why we are inequal and why Africans are still living in trees and eating each other. Since they are so old and ancient, perhaps you'd think they would've evolved by now.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You now change track from the validity of Oppenheimer's theory on descendancy. You did not say whether you agree of disagree that Indians are the ascendants of Caucasians. Now you directly shoot off in a tangent and talk about "dominance". well, as I mentioned above, the Caucasians are no more special than east-timorians or the antarctican penguins.
I quote from the movie Troy, Briseis says to Achilles:
<b>Briseis:</b> Stop! Too many men have died today! If killing is your only talent, that's your curse. I don't want anyone dying for me.
If europeans' only talent is destruction of anything non-european, then it's their curse, not their greatness.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If you wish to have you ancestry belonging to Negroids then that is your choice, I frankly see nothing of theres in our culture, not an influence neither a racial link.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I HAD to laugh uncontrollably for a while. Ancestry cannot be wished for. It is inherited. By wishing I had a great heritage I cannot get one overnight. On the other hand, YOU are in denial of your ancestry, and that your ancestors were capable of influencing the Europeans. The day you learn to respect yourself, you will learn to respect truth.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->To me you sound like some Hinduvta supporter, or some staunch Nationalist who doesn't want to have "omg white blood" because of some experience you had as a child or what?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I AM a Hindu, and I support Truth. Yes, I support the One True Religion, the Religion of the Vedas. I am a staunch Nationalist, and an unflincingly explicit one at that. Do you have a problem with that? About the 'omg white blood' the only white blood I have seen are in cockroackes. I am definitely not a descendant of Cockroackes. If you are, then suit yourself. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> (sorry I had to take your line of argument here.)<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Gandhi disliked Africans, so I seriously doubt such a learned man would have such beleifs if we were from Africa.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My sincere sympathies are with Gandhi. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Denial of Ancestry? I just accept the true one. Not some theory created by a Jew. Indians are a Caucasian subspecies, I wonder how they ended up there.