Post 1/2
1. As suspected when a certain changeover happened. It's the usual nexus involving themselves, making any results anything but reliable (although, Harvard's involvement already achieved that actually...):
bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2018/08/aryan-politics-and-our-security.html?view=flipcard
Interesting how always every single major "communist" is always a christo-islamic, as seen in how they actively support christo-islamic causes, like Thapar and Sitaram Yechury supporting the "Apostle Thomas" related forgery excavation projects in India together with their Euro-American contacts.
So what could have been a great scientific enterprise to find out about ancient India has turned into a means for the usual nexus that's trying to Balkanise India to hijack and takeover for their own history writing. And they HAVE hijacked it.
2. Roy King, a christian with clear evangelical interests in "dalits" and contacts with "christian dalits" (including those working in "comparative religion" in India - alarm bells) and who help him frame all "dalit" concerns in IE discussions involving India, is included as researcher in various aDNA papers. Not in the Harvard aDNA papers, but rather he usually makes his way into middle-eastern papers (i.e. useful for his biblical "archaeology/history-writing" interests).
In informal genetics discussions regarding India, Roy King
- kept returning to how IVC must be "Elamo-Dravoodian" and that Elamo-Dravoodian is connected to Syria/the middle-east and the part that's unsaid: that consequently "Dravidians" like "Dalits" are involved in biblical history and therefore "ought to be" christian. The fringe ED theory is being resuscitated for just this. The same hints are there in the above article and in why Harvard via is pushing not just for AIT from the steppe at 1500 bce and later now, but for laying the groundwork for christians to insist that the conveniently single IVC sample represents "Elamo-Dravoodians" etc. REMEMBER: the culture of Susa was not named Susan or something but named "Elam" from Elamite, a 'population' mentioned in the bible. There's no evidence that the biblical scribes or the stories they wrote about had ever known or met Susans and hence no evidence that Susans is what the babble referred to with Elam. But by forcing the name Elam onto Susa, and by further connecting Elam with "Dravidian" as Elamo-Dravidian, they're next trying to force south Indians into biblical orbit, in order to brainwash them that their newly reconstructed "ancestral religion" would be related to the middle-east and ought to become christianity hereafter. That is the WHOLE goal.
- insisted that even if R1a M417 were ever to be found in IVC/early India (after Roy felt some concern about any possibility that it may be found), it should be disqualified as (exclusively) steppe/E-European and that this must then be regarded as a "(Elamo-)Dravoodian-IVC" marker where India is concerned from then on.
I.e. christo-Roy's agenda is the same as that of the entire church regarding India (hence Roy's great interest in working with "christian dalits" concerns and his great interest in guiding "christian dalits"' written works on religion in India/history-rewriting): christo-Roy's agenda is that no matter what the aDNA results may be, IVC must be presented/declared "Dravoodian" as this will allow resurrecting "Elamo-Dravoodian" so that Dravoodian can be tied to the middle-east and biblical "history" and more Indians can be brainwashed about AIT-Dravidian grievances and get converted to the "salvific" christianity. It's the means christianity has plotted out for its ends.
In fact, quite like Buddhism and Jainism, christianity is busy trying to project India as mostly non-oryan and that therefore most are "oppressees" a.o.t. the imaginary "oryan" "oppressors/invaders". Like Buddhism and Jainism (who at least are soon going to get as burnt as Hinduism for their nasty scheming against Hindu heathenism), christianism is all in this for a christianisation tactic.
I'm just noting all this. I didn't cause this mess. Unlike the Indian traitors I never encouraged it. And I can't fix it either. Whatever happens, happens. (And sadly, it will happen because of Indian stupidity in letting Harvard and its plants mess with our aDNA data. They even have that serial forger working for steppe-IEism, Anthony, on board as their consultant in all things IE/steppe archeology. No actual archaeologist even takes much of Anthony's pop-archaeology seriously: he never provides evidence.)
3. Anyway, bearing the agenda of the church's agenda and hence of the Roy Kings:
anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3433-Waves-of-migration-into-South-Asia/page303
Any Indian "Hindu" who cheered at this is an absolute moron.
(Of course, the usual idiot Indians at anthrogenica - like the IIEist "Hindu" who posted the above* - are cheering like this is a good thing and will result in actual science rather than that Harvard WILL use this for whatever conclusions suit their ends.)
* Of course the ever treacherous IIEist Hindus throw the experts at ASI under the bus by describing the "delay" (reticence rather, as seen in #1) as "bureacratic red tapism". But it's only natural that IIEist Hindus would welcome Harvard in this matter, even when they never welcomed their interference before: Harvard more than any other western institute is determined to establish AIT, whether that be via establishing the steppe as IE homeland or at least as intermediate source for "IE" in India (explained in #8).
4. m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/harappan-site-of-rakhigarhi-dna-study-finds-no-central-asian-trace-junks-aryan-invasion-theory/amp_articleshow/64565413.cms?__twitter_impression=true%20%E2%80%A6
The Copenhagen(?) team got 25 (out of IIRC41 or so samples) from southeast Asia. See the preprint.
See the Copenhagen's published paper's abstract for how Harvard (Lipson 2018 paper IIRC) working with their more backward destructive methods (IIRC capturing just for the genome loci that they're interested in) got 18 out of >100 samples from SE Asia.
Note that SE Asia is also tropical with monsoons. And many of those samples are of comparable or earlier ages than the 3000 BCE IVC.
Yet Harvard only managed just 1 or 2 out of 148 from IVC/India. Yeah, RIGHT.
If any self-professed Hindu who heretofore suspected Harvard and Witzels thinks this is all above board and that any magical AIT conclusions from the one (hand-selected?) surviving sample is in any way honest and representative, maybe they should retire from the Hindu label. I'm sure Harvard can find a place for them. As they did for Niraj Rai (and Vagheesh etc).
5. www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/we-are-all-harappans/300463
The outlook piece heralding AIT that many I/IEists have been particularly excited about.
- And if you actually read it, you'll see it is moreover deliberately (and moronically - but it knows most its audience is not up to speed/can't spot the mistakes) laying the groundwork for "elamo-dravoodian" as per church mandate. See Niraj/Vagheesh/outlook's idiocy in declaring that the Iran Neolithic=Iran Farmer component is absent in "North Indians" - these people should be fired. Proof that they don't know what they're on about (and Vagheesh should go back to publishing malaria papers and Niraj should take up his job at Harvard already) is in the Broushaki et al 2016 paper.
- Another important feature to note is that the article was already doing the rounds among Indian IEists and elsewhere as early as 4 Aug 2018.
Yet the date on the outlook article has been 13 Aug 2018 ever since it was published. Could be a Freudian slip. Or deliberate:
One person observed that maybe the news of AIT was meant by the triple-threat nexus to break as an "independence day" gift for "Pakistan and India"*. You know, the way the pope always plans to invade "visit" heathen and other non-christian countries marked for conversion on heathen/other non-monotheist sacred days. The way the pope stopped important traffic on S Korea's birthday celebrations for Buddha. Or how the pope IIRC invaded India and made his speech declaring that "The 3rd millennium was Asia's turn to be converted", thus waking his sleeper catholic christians in India to carry out his commandment (and the recently invented "papal infallibility" rule means catholics can't be disobedient).
* And I think it was the authors of this very outlook piece that IIRC tried moreover connect TSP with India, the way islamics and seculars always dream. As if the shared burden of being invaded by steppe oryans bringing in the alien Vedas/Hinduism, and the shared virtue of being partly derived from the oppressed "Elamo-Dravidian" IVC Harrappans means Hindu majority India has anything in common with the constant christo-islamic threat and out to find a "common ground" in future (against Hinduism, which is what this whole AIT/Elamo-Dravidian plug is about: it's NOT about science and the truth. I wonder if we'll EVER get the truth. Not when Harvard and its plants are involved. Speaking of
1. As suspected when a certain changeover happened. It's the usual nexus involving themselves, making any results anything but reliable (although, Harvard's involvement already achieved that actually...):
bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2018/08/aryan-politics-and-our-security.html?view=flipcard
Quote: Aryan Politics and our Security Concerns -- B S Harishankar [vijayvaani.com/AuthorProfile.aspx?pid=858]
Aryan Politics and our Security Concerns
by B S Harishankar on 11 Aug 2018 2 Comments
In an article, ââ¬ËHow genetics is settling the Aryan migration debateââ¬â¢, Tony Joseph, former editor of Business World, argued that the population of the Caspian, Central Asian and Indian regions share a common DNA (The Hindu, June 16, 2017). Endorsing the Aryan Migration Theory, Joseph contended that Indo-European language speakers, who called themselves Aryans (actually the British designated them as such), streamed into India sometime around 2,000 ââ¬â 1,500 B.C. when the Indus Valley civilisation came to an end. They brought with them the Sanskrit language and a distinctive set of cultural practices.
Joseph insisted that India is a multi-source civilisation, not a single-source one, and draws its cultural impulses, tradition and practices from a variety of lineages and migration histories. While the Left historians remained silent, the Left parties were exuberant. CPI (M) general secretary Sitaram Yechury gleefully tweeted: ââ¬Åthe historical evidence of Aryan migration and the confluence that India is. Brilliant piece by @tjoseph0010ââ¬Â.
Then, once again eulogizing Tony Josephââ¬â¢s article, Yechury observed: ââ¬Åakin to the proverbial last straw that broke the camelââ¬â¢s back, some recent findings based on scientific investigations on the genetic data suggest that there was, indeed, an Aryan migration into India around 3,500 to 4,000 years agoââ¬Â (ââ¬ËBattle against post-truthââ¬â¢, Frontline, June 21, 2017). Yechury argued that the latest scientific study suggests that Aryans came into India from somewhere near the Caspian Sea in Central Asia/Europe, which has shattered the fascist agenda in India.
Sitaram Yechury is one of the principal architects of the Muziris Heritage Project in Kerala whereby JNU historians and Euro-American scholars excavated Pattanam to ââ¬Ëproveââ¬â¢ West Asian / Fertile Crescent contacts with India and search for the bones of Apostle Thomas. That the said Apostle never came to India at all is incidental.
Sunil Menon and Siddhartha Mishra, in a cover story titled, ââ¬ËWe are all Harappansââ¬â¢ present the same theory of Aryan migration into India, and claim that the Harappan site of Rakhigarhi at Sarasvati Valley in Haryana has more affinity with Ancestral South Indian Tribal Population than with North Indians (Outlook, August 2, 2018). The story claims that Rakhigarhi samples have Iranian farmer ancestry, which can be claimed only by present day south Indians. It identifies the Fertile Crescent as one of the core areas of agriculture and domestication of animals. The authors assert that this shows the Harappans and Rig Vedics were two distinct lines, one replacing or subsuming the other and the Ancestral South Indian is everybodyââ¬â¢s ancestor in South Asia.
Rakhigarhi sparked global controversy in 2014, when eminent South Asian archaeologists criticised the intervention of foreign lobbies and funding by an opulent NGO for this crucial archaeological site. The foreign funding at Rakhigarhi and current media propaganda call for a clearer understanding of the problem.
(Didn't know that. Bad move by Shinde and co. to have invited Harvard -- of all western institutions, the most actively anti-Indian and especially anti-Hindu -- to work with Indian aDNA.)
The Aryan migration theory currently picked up by Outlook, was repackaged in the early 1990s. Marxist historian Romila Thapar in an article in Journal of Asiatic Society of Bombay (1988-91) contended that, ââ¬Åif invasion is discarded then the mechanism of migration and occasional contacts come into sharper focus. These migrations appear to have been of pastoral cattle breeders who are prominent in the Avesta and Rigvedaââ¬Â. Interestingly, Thapar is one of the top patrons from JNU for KCHRââ¬â¢s Rs 200 crore Muziris Project that seeks to establish Indiaââ¬â¢s Fertile Crescent links and the arrival of Apostle Thomas. Marxist historian Irfan Habib earlier vindicated the migration and Dravidian theories, in ââ¬ËThe Rewriting of Historyââ¬â¢ (Outlook, February 13, 2002). Habib accused archaeologists and historians up in arms against Dravidian links to any great non-Aryan past: ââ¬Åpresence of Dravidians in Indus Civilisation makes it so much more ours.ââ¬Â
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Interesting how always every single major "communist" is always a christo-islamic, as seen in how they actively support christo-islamic causes, like Thapar and Sitaram Yechury supporting the "Apostle Thomas" related forgery excavation projects in India together with their Euro-American contacts.
So what could have been a great scientific enterprise to find out about ancient India has turned into a means for the usual nexus that's trying to Balkanise India to hijack and takeover for their own history writing. And they HAVE hijacked it.
2. Roy King, a christian with clear evangelical interests in "dalits" and contacts with "christian dalits" (including those working in "comparative religion" in India - alarm bells) and who help him frame all "dalit" concerns in IE discussions involving India, is included as researcher in various aDNA papers. Not in the Harvard aDNA papers, but rather he usually makes his way into middle-eastern papers (i.e. useful for his biblical "archaeology/history-writing" interests).
In informal genetics discussions regarding India, Roy King
- kept returning to how IVC must be "Elamo-Dravoodian" and that Elamo-Dravoodian is connected to Syria/the middle-east and the part that's unsaid: that consequently "Dravidians" like "Dalits" are involved in biblical history and therefore "ought to be" christian. The fringe ED theory is being resuscitated for just this. The same hints are there in the above article and in why Harvard via is pushing not just for AIT from the steppe at 1500 bce and later now, but for laying the groundwork for christians to insist that the conveniently single IVC sample represents "Elamo-Dravoodians" etc. REMEMBER: the culture of Susa was not named Susan or something but named "Elam" from Elamite, a 'population' mentioned in the bible. There's no evidence that the biblical scribes or the stories they wrote about had ever known or met Susans and hence no evidence that Susans is what the babble referred to with Elam. But by forcing the name Elam onto Susa, and by further connecting Elam with "Dravidian" as Elamo-Dravidian, they're next trying to force south Indians into biblical orbit, in order to brainwash them that their newly reconstructed "ancestral religion" would be related to the middle-east and ought to become christianity hereafter. That is the WHOLE goal.
- insisted that even if R1a M417 were ever to be found in IVC/early India (after Roy felt some concern about any possibility that it may be found), it should be disqualified as (exclusively) steppe/E-European and that this must then be regarded as a "(Elamo-)Dravoodian-IVC" marker where India is concerned from then on.
I.e. christo-Roy's agenda is the same as that of the entire church regarding India (hence Roy's great interest in working with "christian dalits" concerns and his great interest in guiding "christian dalits"' written works on religion in India/history-rewriting): christo-Roy's agenda is that no matter what the aDNA results may be, IVC must be presented/declared "Dravoodian" as this will allow resurrecting "Elamo-Dravoodian" so that Dravoodian can be tied to the middle-east and biblical "history" and more Indians can be brainwashed about AIT-Dravidian grievances and get converted to the "salvific" christianity. It's the means christianity has plotted out for its ends.
In fact, quite like Buddhism and Jainism, christianity is busy trying to project India as mostly non-oryan and that therefore most are "oppressees" a.o.t. the imaginary "oryan" "oppressors/invaders". Like Buddhism and Jainism (who at least are soon going to get as burnt as Hinduism for their nasty scheming against Hindu heathenism), christianism is all in this for a christianisation tactic.
I'm just noting all this. I didn't cause this mess. Unlike the Indian traitors I never encouraged it. And I can't fix it either. Whatever happens, happens. (And sadly, it will happen because of Indian stupidity in letting Harvard and its plants mess with our aDNA data. They even have that serial forger working for steppe-IEism, Anthony, on board as their consultant in all things IE/steppe archeology. No actual archaeologist even takes much of Anthony's pop-archaeology seriously: he never provides evidence.)
3. Anyway, bearing the agenda of the church's agenda and hence of the Roy Kings:
anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3433-Waves-of-migration-into-South-Asia/page303
Quote:In other news the Harvard team has signed an MOU to gain access to samples from the South Indian neolithic, but beaureaucratic red tapism in the ASI still delaying access
Any Indian "Hindu" who cheered at this is an absolute moron.
(Of course, the usual idiot Indians at anthrogenica - like the IIEist "Hindu" who posted the above* - are cheering like this is a good thing and will result in actual science rather than that Harvard WILL use this for whatever conclusions suit their ends.)
* Of course the ever treacherous IIEist Hindus throw the experts at ASI under the bus by describing the "delay" (reticence rather, as seen in #1) as "bureacratic red tapism". But it's only natural that IIEist Hindus would welcome Harvard in this matter, even when they never welcomed their interference before: Harvard more than any other western institute is determined to establish AIT, whether that be via establishing the steppe as IE homeland or at least as intermediate source for "IE" in India (explained in #8).
4. m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/harappan-site-of-rakhigarhi-dna-study-finds-no-central-asian-trace-junks-aryan-invasion-theory/amp_articleshow/64565413.cms?__twitter_impression=true%20%E2%80%A6
Quote:Rai disclosed that 148 independent skeletal elements from Rakhigarhi were screened for the presence of DNA molecules at the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology in Hyderabad. Of the 148 skeletal remains, only two samples yielded any relevant DNA material.
Meanwhile, hectic last-minute efforts are on to get additional genetic details of the DNA material. One of the DNA samples recently faced contamination in a Seoul laboratory and efforts are on to segregate it. Samples were sent to laboratories in Seoul and Harvard for establishing accuracy. The contamination, Rai said, is unlikely to have any major bearing on the studyââ¬â¢s primary findings.
The Copenhagen(?) team got 25 (out of IIRC41 or so samples) from southeast Asia. See the preprint.
See the Copenhagen's published paper's abstract for how Harvard (Lipson 2018 paper IIRC) working with their more backward destructive methods (IIRC capturing just for the genome loci that they're interested in) got 18 out of >100 samples from SE Asia.
Note that SE Asia is also tropical with monsoons. And many of those samples are of comparable or earlier ages than the 3000 BCE IVC.
Yet Harvard only managed just 1 or 2 out of 148 from IVC/India. Yeah, RIGHT.
If any self-professed Hindu who heretofore suspected Harvard and Witzels thinks this is all above board and that any magical AIT conclusions from the one (hand-selected?) surviving sample is in any way honest and representative, maybe they should retire from the Hindu label. I'm sure Harvard can find a place for them. As they did for Niraj Rai (and Vagheesh etc).
5. www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/we-are-all-harappans/300463
The outlook piece heralding AIT that many I/IEists have been particularly excited about.
- And if you actually read it, you'll see it is moreover deliberately (and moronically - but it knows most its audience is not up to speed/can't spot the mistakes) laying the groundwork for "elamo-dravoodian" as per church mandate. See Niraj/Vagheesh/outlook's idiocy in declaring that the Iran Neolithic=Iran Farmer component is absent in "North Indians" - these people should be fired. Proof that they don't know what they're on about (and Vagheesh should go back to publishing malaria papers and Niraj should take up his job at Harvard already) is in the Broushaki et al 2016 paper.
- Another important feature to note is that the article was already doing the rounds among Indian IEists and elsewhere as early as 4 Aug 2018.
Yet the date on the outlook article has been 13 Aug 2018 ever since it was published. Could be a Freudian slip. Or deliberate:
One person observed that maybe the news of AIT was meant by the triple-threat nexus to break as an "independence day" gift for "Pakistan and India"*. You know, the way the pope always plans to invade "visit" heathen and other non-christian countries marked for conversion on heathen/other non-monotheist sacred days. The way the pope stopped important traffic on S Korea's birthday celebrations for Buddha. Or how the pope IIRC invaded India and made his speech declaring that "The 3rd millennium was Asia's turn to be converted", thus waking his sleeper catholic christians in India to carry out his commandment (and the recently invented "papal infallibility" rule means catholics can't be disobedient).
* And I think it was the authors of this very outlook piece that IIRC tried moreover connect TSP with India, the way islamics and seculars always dream. As if the shared burden of being invaded by steppe oryans bringing in the alien Vedas/Hinduism, and the shared virtue of being partly derived from the oppressed "Elamo-Dravidian" IVC Harrappans means Hindu majority India has anything in common with the constant christo-islamic threat and out to find a "common ground" in future (against Hinduism, which is what this whole AIT/Elamo-Dravidian plug is about: it's NOT about science and the truth. I wonder if we'll EVER get the truth. Not when Harvard and its plants are involved. Speaking of
