<!--QuoteBegin-Pathmarajah+Apr 7 2005, 09:48 PM-->QUOTE(Pathmarajah @ Apr 7 2005, 09:48 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Apr 7 2005, 07:08 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Viren @ Apr 7 2005, 07:08 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Pathma,
You haven't answered....
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So if any community or individual is prosecuted/persecuted/discriminated against, which of this 'P' is to be held accountable - Police, Public Prosecutor, their Political bosses or the Priests? Per your arguments, it seems that low paid temple preists seem to be calling the shots on this 'slient war'. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi Viren,
This is incompetant questioning. But,
1. if prosecuted, the PP is responsible (but he is legally immune in any society),
2. if persecuted and discriminated, the society as a whole is responsible.
Heads must roll. Can you figure this out?
Thought you could pin it on someone else, didn't you?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Do some research on Arab castes, and especially Japan (Burakamin are Japanese untouchables). Japan's industrialization gives many ideas on where India will head in the future.
All the caste problems are in rural villages or in Bihar overwhemingly.
Even today in Japan there is so called caste discrimination.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did all that Agnivayu,
Little parallels between dalits and burakumin. Indians take the cake in discrimination. Japan's industrialisation DOES NOT give an indication where India is headed. India is unique, and I feel brahmins as well as recalcitrant OBCs' are going to to be discriminated against in a globalised India, and most will be compelled to leave the country, the next batch of NRIs' shall we say.
Dalits will be a major purchasing power base, comprising 25% of the population by 2050 in the largest world economy and the neo-decision makers, having a decisive say in world stock markets', capital and bonds' issues and Indian defence contracts. Think about it - dalit economy then, 270 million strong with per capita income of $18,000 will be larger than Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong put together today, or larger than the US west of the Rockies. Worrying isn't it? <!--emo&
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There is no place for Medieval Hinduism and Third World Hindu society in a First World India. That and medieval Islam is on the way out. It will simply be scotched and tossed in the trash can.
I'm sure you heard this here first.
Caste is not only in Bihar. Its everywhere, even among dalits. Discrimination has now translated into female infanticide in Haryana, Salem.... and all over. Its migrated to the US, Britain, and elswhere. Its mutating into 'religious exclusivism' in a new form in the Bochasanwasi, Iskcon, and many others. Its there in Malibu and Vallejo I tell you. This is one big bad mf virus. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->For "discrimination" discussions Pathama doesn't have to look any further than the town where his groupies established NS - hint it's not in India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where do you live Viren? And what is the point of this line? We Hindus take care of our own. Thats all.
Pathma <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pathmarajah,
A lot of what you said is Christian propaganda, indicated by your attack on only Hindus and Muslims.
A lot of caste discussions are flawed, because there is no such thing as 270 million Dalits ?, Dalits are not one simple ethnic group as is shown. They come from various parts of the country speaking different languages with not a whole lot in common. Discrimination against them is a local and not a national issue.
A lot of Christian missionaries didn't grasp this concept, and so assumed that their Jihad against Hinduism would be easy with simple propaganda. Unfortunately for them, even Christian rule didn't convert the heathens to their religion. I knew some Indian Christians who used to complain about discrimination from Hindus, until they got their a$$ whooped in the deep south in America by fellow Christians (rednecks)
Indian Muslims who have gone to Saudi Arabia suddenly love the racist Hindu after experiencing fellow muslim tolerance (Arabs consider all south asians as darker skinned inferiors) .
You haven't answered....
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So if any community or individual is prosecuted/persecuted/discriminated against, which of this 'P' is to be held accountable - Police, Public Prosecutor, their Political bosses or the Priests? Per your arguments, it seems that low paid temple preists seem to be calling the shots on this 'slient war'. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi Viren,
This is incompetant questioning. But,
1. if prosecuted, the PP is responsible (but he is legally immune in any society),
2. if persecuted and discriminated, the society as a whole is responsible.
Heads must roll. Can you figure this out?
Thought you could pin it on someone else, didn't you?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Do some research on Arab castes, and especially Japan (Burakamin are Japanese untouchables). Japan's industrialization gives many ideas on where India will head in the future.
All the caste problems are in rural villages or in Bihar overwhemingly.
Even today in Japan there is so called caste discrimination.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did all that Agnivayu,
Little parallels between dalits and burakumin. Indians take the cake in discrimination. Japan's industrialisation DOES NOT give an indication where India is headed. India is unique, and I feel brahmins as well as recalcitrant OBCs' are going to to be discriminated against in a globalised India, and most will be compelled to leave the country, the next batch of NRIs' shall we say.
Dalits will be a major purchasing power base, comprising 25% of the population by 2050 in the largest world economy and the neo-decision makers, having a decisive say in world stock markets', capital and bonds' issues and Indian defence contracts. Think about it - dalit economy then, 270 million strong with per capita income of $18,000 will be larger than Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong put together today, or larger than the US west of the Rockies. Worrying isn't it? <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->There is no place for Medieval Hinduism and Third World Hindu society in a First World India. That and medieval Islam is on the way out. It will simply be scotched and tossed in the trash can.
I'm sure you heard this here first.
Caste is not only in Bihar. Its everywhere, even among dalits. Discrimination has now translated into female infanticide in Haryana, Salem.... and all over. Its migrated to the US, Britain, and elswhere. Its mutating into 'religious exclusivism' in a new form in the Bochasanwasi, Iskcon, and many others. Its there in Malibu and Vallejo I tell you. This is one big bad mf virus. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->For "discrimination" discussions Pathama doesn't have to look any further than the town where his groupies established NS - hint it's not in India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where do you live Viren? And what is the point of this line? We Hindus take care of our own. Thats all.
Pathma <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Pathmarajah,
A lot of what you said is Christian propaganda, indicated by your attack on only Hindus and Muslims.
A lot of caste discussions are flawed, because there is no such thing as 270 million Dalits ?, Dalits are not one simple ethnic group as is shown. They come from various parts of the country speaking different languages with not a whole lot in common. Discrimination against them is a local and not a national issue.
A lot of Christian missionaries didn't grasp this concept, and so assumed that their Jihad against Hinduism would be easy with simple propaganda. Unfortunately for them, even Christian rule didn't convert the heathens to their religion. I knew some Indian Christians who used to complain about discrimination from Hindus, until they got their a$$ whooped in the deep south in America by fellow Christians (rednecks)
Indian Muslims who have gone to Saudi Arabia suddenly love the racist Hindu after experiencing fellow muslim tolerance (Arabs consider all south asians as darker skinned inferiors) .