04-09-2005, 02:15 AM
Pathmarajah,
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No such hate crimes against any other ethnic, caste, religious or race group in India; not parsis, brahmins, sikhs, jains, buddhists, madrasis in Mumbai, banglas in Kolkota, etc.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Didnt I tell you there are close to 1.77 million crimes per YEAR in India ? Who do you think lives in India besides dalits ? In 2003 every day 90 human beings were murdered in India. Who do you think died besides dalits ? martians ? alpha centaurians ? But why would you care ? Per you, if its a crime against dalit its oooooooo big crime while if it is a crime against a brahmin/sikh/jain/etc that is just a crime yaar, happens all the time onlee yaar, not to be confused with real crimes which is crimes against dalits yaar, right ?
Re your point about "a law being passed" i see that as a good thing but also a bad thing - a double edged sword mostly for propaganda purposes. But as I said, "special laws" are an entirely different debate which i dont wish to indulge in at this point as it is in a much broader context.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Which part of these statistics do you have trouble understanding? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For the one hajaar and oneth time, that these are TOTAL crimes against dalits. It does not say "All India Hate Crimes Against Dalits". Does it ? There are 2 heads that actually address the point that you are jumping up and down about which is POA and PCR. Go read the figures under those heads to get a better idea.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There were 28,000 in 2,000, and nearly 40,000 in 2001 provided in the other links<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And there were 26,000 in 2003. But again total crimes - not hate crimes. Atleast it doesnt say so in this report from NCRB.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The year 2003 has witnessed a substantial decrease of 21.6 per cent in crime against Scheduled Caste as 33,507 cases reported in 2002 have declined to 26,252 cases in 2003. This decline was observed in all heads under which data of crime against Scheduled Castes were collected. Two main heads namely, Protection of Civil Rights Act and SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities ) Act have reported considerable decreases of 37.7 per cent and 25.3 per cent respectively in 2003. Of the total cases (26,252) reported in the country, Madhya Pradesh alone has accounted for about one fifth (5,507) of the total cases followed by Rajathan 16.5 per cent and Andhra Pradesh (13.6 per cent).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And regarding the BS that you uttered..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There are no statistics for dalit crimes against dalits. But that is not the issue; there should be none. Perhaps you are insinuating that its a dalit problem and nothing to do with Indians or Hindus? Hmm?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh ! So now is it your claim that dalits never commit any crimes ? Hmm ? Hmm ? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A google search shows tremendous embaressing info.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like that national geographic BS that you posted ? "2 dalits are murdered per day" ? Well I got news for you buddy, 90 are murdered in India. What does that come upto ? Err.. less then 2% of total murdered in India are dalits ? What is the dalit population in India ? Err.. 15-16% ? What is embarrasing Mr Statistician ? That 90 humans are murdered ? Or that 2 dalits are murdered ?
If you start quoting numbers then show all numbers. For example, since there are no stats available about how many brahmins are murdered per year in India doesnt mean no brahmins are murdered. And even when you look at the overall crime figures in India look at other countries to get a perspective. And dont come up with stats like 2 dalits murdered per day. Come up with x dalits killed per million dalits as opposed to x brahmins killed per million as opposed to x blacks killed per million etc. Will help you prove your 'genocide' theory.
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Viren,
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Not sure about Rajesh, but feel free to abuse me on your forum too - I have absolutely no problems.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He probably does it already. He has already threatened all brahmins to leave south india or else. He has already threatened all Acharyas to leave the country or else. He probably calls this forum a "brahminical/hindutva-fascist forum" or something.. <!--emo&:tv--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tv_feliz.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tv_feliz.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->No such hate crimes against any other ethnic, caste, religious or race group in India; not parsis, brahmins, sikhs, jains, buddhists, madrasis in Mumbai, banglas in Kolkota, etc.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Didnt I tell you there are close to 1.77 million crimes per YEAR in India ? Who do you think lives in India besides dalits ? In 2003 every day 90 human beings were murdered in India. Who do you think died besides dalits ? martians ? alpha centaurians ? But why would you care ? Per you, if its a crime against dalit its oooooooo big crime while if it is a crime against a brahmin/sikh/jain/etc that is just a crime yaar, happens all the time onlee yaar, not to be confused with real crimes which is crimes against dalits yaar, right ?
Re your point about "a law being passed" i see that as a good thing but also a bad thing - a double edged sword mostly for propaganda purposes. But as I said, "special laws" are an entirely different debate which i dont wish to indulge in at this point as it is in a much broader context.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Which part of these statistics do you have trouble understanding? <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For the one hajaar and oneth time, that these are TOTAL crimes against dalits. It does not say "All India Hate Crimes Against Dalits". Does it ? There are 2 heads that actually address the point that you are jumping up and down about which is POA and PCR. Go read the figures under those heads to get a better idea.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There were 28,000 in 2,000, and nearly 40,000 in 2001 provided in the other links<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And there were 26,000 in 2003. But again total crimes - not hate crimes. Atleast it doesnt say so in this report from NCRB.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The year 2003 has witnessed a substantial decrease of 21.6 per cent in crime against Scheduled Caste as 33,507 cases reported in 2002 have declined to 26,252 cases in 2003. This decline was observed in all heads under which data of crime against Scheduled Castes were collected. Two main heads namely, Protection of Civil Rights Act and SC/ST (Prevention of Atrocities ) Act have reported considerable decreases of 37.7 per cent and 25.3 per cent respectively in 2003. Of the total cases (26,252) reported in the country, Madhya Pradesh alone has accounted for about one fifth (5,507) of the total cases followed by Rajathan 16.5 per cent and Andhra Pradesh (13.6 per cent).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And regarding the BS that you uttered..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There are no statistics for dalit crimes against dalits. But that is not the issue; there should be none. Perhaps you are insinuating that its a dalit problem and nothing to do with Indians or Hindus? Hmm?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh ! So now is it your claim that dalits never commit any crimes ? Hmm ? Hmm ? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A google search shows tremendous embaressing info.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Like that national geographic BS that you posted ? "2 dalits are murdered per day" ? Well I got news for you buddy, 90 are murdered in India. What does that come upto ? Err.. less then 2% of total murdered in India are dalits ? What is the dalit population in India ? Err.. 15-16% ? What is embarrasing Mr Statistician ? That 90 humans are murdered ? Or that 2 dalits are murdered ?
If you start quoting numbers then show all numbers. For example, since there are no stats available about how many brahmins are murdered per year in India doesnt mean no brahmins are murdered. And even when you look at the overall crime figures in India look at other countries to get a perspective. And dont come up with stats like 2 dalits murdered per day. Come up with x dalits killed per million dalits as opposed to x brahmins killed per million as opposed to x blacks killed per million etc. Will help you prove your 'genocide' theory.
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Viren,
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Not sure about Rajesh, but feel free to abuse me on your forum too - I have absolutely no problems.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He probably does it already. He has already threatened all brahmins to leave south india or else. He has already threatened all Acharyas to leave the country or else. He probably calls this forum a "brahminical/hindutva-fascist forum" or something.. <!--emo&:tv--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tv_feliz.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tv_feliz.gif' /><!--endemo-->