04-14-2005, 08:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Pathmarajah,
How Dalits are treated in your native country Sri Lanka? Please shed some light. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mudy,
I am Malaysian and have never been to Sri Lanka. From what I hear, almost all dalits are with the LTTE, or the rest have chosen refugee in Europe.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->You have conveninently ignored posts by others on hundreds of dalit/tribal conversions. You pooh-pooed the fact that over 500 women in past 30 years are being trained as priests. Why is it that it's so difficult for you to accept the fact that there are others out there who are doing more and have done more than you possibly can?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not all all. There is no one, I repeat, no one who is doing what the VHP and the RSS are doing. They are covering areas no one else is!
I/we are doing quite something different from what the Hindu Indian groups are doing. What we are saying is that, either the sacred thread is got rid off, or, that all Hindus (men, women and non Indians) be eligible for it without discrimination, on demand. Clear! This is what we are doing.
What we can possibly do more is convert more muslims and christians to eastern thinking and ethos. Here I think the VHP and the RSS are behind. But then, this is what I think that matters in the long run. No amount of reconverting Hindus is going to change the big picture.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->To have a true appreciation for what you claim, feel free to share: name of the place, pictures if possible, the number of people who will benefit from this temple, the obstacles you all faced, how you overcame or plan to overcome those obstacles etc. Also how strong is their belief about or this upanayanam a token head bath a la Baptism? See if you can answer these questions as I'd really like to know. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This event will happen this year in South India. Several hundred dalit children will be given the namakarana samskara, the vratyastoma samskara, followed by the upanayana IN A TEMPLE. Thereafter they will be taught, guided and counselled. I will post details and pictures after this event has taken place. Count on it to be covered widely in Indian media. Meanwhile, hang loose.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shri Shanmugam, a member of the Dalit Community belonging to Ayyampalayam of Palladam Taluk is an ardent worker of the Hindu Munnani.He had committed suicide this morning. In a note left, he had stated that he is laying his life for the noble cause of Kanchi Seer's immediate release. He also stated that he has none else to save his community from forcible conversion to other religious sects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think this is an irresponsible idiot, and a christian in his beliefs, though he may not be saying so. Hindus dont do this. Dont you agree?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for your 'implied' meanings and 'dreams', you are trying to extract 'implied' meanings from secondary sources (ones that ask you not to quote ). What more can I say ?
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What are you talking about? We know where your sources on ''dreams" came from. You have already embaressed our mutual friend. I never asked that my personal PMs to a friend not to be quoted. Lets see your balls now and quote it. Go ahead young man, quote it. Quote it! Or forever be silent!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The requirement still stands. Prove your 'genocide' theory. Prove that those crimes are indeed hate crimes, prove that besides the crimes listed under this category there are other murders perpetrated on dalits which are NOT included in this category non-racist-dalit-murders that is. Post comparable statistics for other ethnicities and that will prove your theory. Without that nothing is proven, and yes you are right "there are no dalit issues (genocide) to be dealt with". <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Proven beyond doubt. Your govt has acknowledged it within their own statistics. What more you want?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What was NavyaShastra founded for ? To come up with "new shastras". I remember way back when people questioned your competency regarding this. At the time I thought they were being too harsh but hey, its been a while and we have seen much howling and boasting -> itihas/purana/DS/veda/etc are all full of cr@p and need to be re-written or something. Well ex-monk we are still waiting for that NavyaShastra to come out. Just post your progress report on that. Or have you guys taken the easy way out and resorted to cheap rhetorics ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tall Man, <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> I dont recall anyone questioning my competancy!
You are completely mistaken. Why not read NS objectives to get a clear picture. There is no plan for new scriptures. Only rishis and saints write new scriptures. Ordinary folks like us dont. But if you are keen I will keep you posted on progress.
Navyashastra wants to provide upanayana to all Hindus, men, women and non Indians on demand. They deal with Hindu Indians.
Siddha Community wants to introduce Hindu Beliefs and Practices to all language-culture-ethnic communities, and evangelise. They dont deal with Indians.
Why is this so hard to understand? Do you have a problem here?
Pathma
How Dalits are treated in your native country Sri Lanka? Please shed some light. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mudy,
I am Malaysian and have never been to Sri Lanka. From what I hear, almost all dalits are with the LTTE, or the rest have chosen refugee in Europe.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->You have conveninently ignored posts by others on hundreds of dalit/tribal conversions. You pooh-pooed the fact that over 500 women in past 30 years are being trained as priests. Why is it that it's so difficult for you to accept the fact that there are others out there who are doing more and have done more than you possibly can?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not all all. There is no one, I repeat, no one who is doing what the VHP and the RSS are doing. They are covering areas no one else is!
I/we are doing quite something different from what the Hindu Indian groups are doing. What we are saying is that, either the sacred thread is got rid off, or, that all Hindus (men, women and non Indians) be eligible for it without discrimination, on demand. Clear! This is what we are doing.
What we can possibly do more is convert more muslims and christians to eastern thinking and ethos. Here I think the VHP and the RSS are behind. But then, this is what I think that matters in the long run. No amount of reconverting Hindus is going to change the big picture.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->To have a true appreciation for what you claim, feel free to share: name of the place, pictures if possible, the number of people who will benefit from this temple, the obstacles you all faced, how you overcame or plan to overcome those obstacles etc. Also how strong is their belief about or this upanayanam a token head bath a la Baptism? See if you can answer these questions as I'd really like to know. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This event will happen this year in South India. Several hundred dalit children will be given the namakarana samskara, the vratyastoma samskara, followed by the upanayana IN A TEMPLE. Thereafter they will be taught, guided and counselled. I will post details and pictures after this event has taken place. Count on it to be covered widely in Indian media. Meanwhile, hang loose.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shri Shanmugam, a member of the Dalit Community belonging to Ayyampalayam of Palladam Taluk is an ardent worker of the Hindu Munnani.He had committed suicide this morning. In a note left, he had stated that he is laying his life for the noble cause of Kanchi Seer's immediate release. He also stated that he has none else to save his community from forcible conversion to other religious sects<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think this is an irresponsible idiot, and a christian in his beliefs, though he may not be saying so. Hindus dont do this. Dont you agree?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for your 'implied' meanings and 'dreams', you are trying to extract 'implied' meanings from secondary sources (ones that ask you not to quote ). What more can I say ?
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you talking about? We know where your sources on ''dreams" came from. You have already embaressed our mutual friend. I never asked that my personal PMs to a friend not to be quoted. Lets see your balls now and quote it. Go ahead young man, quote it. Quote it! Or forever be silent!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The requirement still stands. Prove your 'genocide' theory. Prove that those crimes are indeed hate crimes, prove that besides the crimes listed under this category there are other murders perpetrated on dalits which are NOT included in this category non-racist-dalit-murders that is. Post comparable statistics for other ethnicities and that will prove your theory. Without that nothing is proven, and yes you are right "there are no dalit issues (genocide) to be dealt with". <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Proven beyond doubt. Your govt has acknowledged it within their own statistics. What more you want?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What was NavyaShastra founded for ? To come up with "new shastras". I remember way back when people questioned your competency regarding this. At the time I thought they were being too harsh but hey, its been a while and we have seen much howling and boasting -> itihas/purana/DS/veda/etc are all full of cr@p and need to be re-written or something. Well ex-monk we are still waiting for that NavyaShastra to come out. Just post your progress report on that. Or have you guys taken the easy way out and resorted to cheap rhetorics ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tall Man, <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> I dont recall anyone questioning my competancy! You are completely mistaken. Why not read NS objectives to get a clear picture. There is no plan for new scriptures. Only rishis and saints write new scriptures. Ordinary folks like us dont. But if you are keen I will keep you posted on progress.
Navyashastra wants to provide upanayana to all Hindus, men, women and non Indians on demand. They deal with Hindu Indians.
Siddha Community wants to introduce Hindu Beliefs and Practices to all language-culture-ethnic communities, and evangelise. They dont deal with Indians.
Why is this so hard to understand? Do you have a problem here?
Pathma