04-16-2005, 11:32 PM
Ah, Sankara,
Anyone on the circuit of Hindu forums knows Sugrutha and she doesn't need any introduction. You can see for yourself that no one else is questioning, except you!
Colored perspective on social reality? You are a social scientist - but have you covered India? Have you studied Indians laws that outlawed caste, and why such laws are necessary in India but not in most other nations. Give me an example of such laws, say, in UK, Thailand, Kenya.
Have you considered the writings of Vivekananda, Gandhi and Ambedkar? Have you covered the caste victimisation of recent tsunami victims. I dont believe this!
Selective anecdotes? Indian govt statistics on caste crimes, their discussions in parliament, further laws, discussions in conferences and seminars participated by govt ministers, as well as UN conferences and social indices speaks enough, dont you think. Those stats were published by the NDA govt!!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The class differences in many societies, including in many parts of India, have diluted over the years, and will continue to dilute as each generation of boys and girls of all social classes mix and intermingle in schools, universities, and at the work place. So, why pick on India as being any different, and keep harping on the Brahmins as the cause of all social divisions and conflicts. On the contrary, all castes in India engaged in differential behaviour and treatment of other castes that were considered as being lower than them in the social ladder. One has to go to UP or Bihar today, and witness how the land owners, the zamindars, who are not Brahmins, treat the farmers. The Chettiars, Naidus, and Pillais, and all other castes in TN have in the past and even today do not always behave with civility to persons lower than them in the social rank. Such behaviour, though not nice, appears to be a universal human trait, and not restricted to the Brahmin community alone.
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What you say regarding dilution of caste differences is true. Regarding 'picking India' show me such statistics on hate crimes in other nations.
No one said Brahmins are the cause of ALL social divisions. No one is pickings brahmins only. We know and have talked about the OBC culpability.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->..overlook the social responsibilities of other castes/social classes<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please educate me about this. I asked about this before but it was not forthcoming.
Please also dont draw comparisons with jews and germans. Like I said, you jumped in the middle of discussions and missed much of that has already been discussed.
Rajesh,
That was a good twist from 'dreams' to thorat paper. Its okay pal.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It doesnt say hate crimes.. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Check with HHR and UN. Why even designate them separately if they are not ethnic/hate crimes? What is the purpose of separate designations? From hereon answer questions before asking any further.
Navyashastra means 'new social order' and not necessarily new shastra. This is as opposed to the old medieval social order.
Mudy,
So, you have never visited your country of Origin Sri Lanka.
Have you ever been to India?
Have you ever been to Indian cities or villages?
Have you ever worked in Indian govt office or Private firm in India?
Have you ever lived in Brahmin or Dalit family home in India?
Have you read Munshi Premchand books?
No, yes, yes, yes, yes, and no. But I have read enough of other Indian writers. I thought I said this all before when you first asked. What is you point? Please dont waste time with your trivial and one line burps. Do you have any arguments and facts?
Have you read your constitution? Please answer before posting any further questions or it will be ignored.
Pathma
Anyone on the circuit of Hindu forums knows Sugrutha and she doesn't need any introduction. You can see for yourself that no one else is questioning, except you!
Colored perspective on social reality? You are a social scientist - but have you covered India? Have you studied Indians laws that outlawed caste, and why such laws are necessary in India but not in most other nations. Give me an example of such laws, say, in UK, Thailand, Kenya.
Have you considered the writings of Vivekananda, Gandhi and Ambedkar? Have you covered the caste victimisation of recent tsunami victims. I dont believe this!
Selective anecdotes? Indian govt statistics on caste crimes, their discussions in parliament, further laws, discussions in conferences and seminars participated by govt ministers, as well as UN conferences and social indices speaks enough, dont you think. Those stats were published by the NDA govt!!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The class differences in many societies, including in many parts of India, have diluted over the years, and will continue to dilute as each generation of boys and girls of all social classes mix and intermingle in schools, universities, and at the work place. So, why pick on India as being any different, and keep harping on the Brahmins as the cause of all social divisions and conflicts. On the contrary, all castes in India engaged in differential behaviour and treatment of other castes that were considered as being lower than them in the social ladder. One has to go to UP or Bihar today, and witness how the land owners, the zamindars, who are not Brahmins, treat the farmers. The Chettiars, Naidus, and Pillais, and all other castes in TN have in the past and even today do not always behave with civility to persons lower than them in the social rank. Such behaviour, though not nice, appears to be a universal human trait, and not restricted to the Brahmin community alone.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What you say regarding dilution of caste differences is true. Regarding 'picking India' show me such statistics on hate crimes in other nations.
No one said Brahmins are the cause of ALL social divisions. No one is pickings brahmins only. We know and have talked about the OBC culpability.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->..overlook the social responsibilities of other castes/social classes<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please educate me about this. I asked about this before but it was not forthcoming.
Please also dont draw comparisons with jews and germans. Like I said, you jumped in the middle of discussions and missed much of that has already been discussed.
Rajesh,
That was a good twist from 'dreams' to thorat paper. Its okay pal.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It doesnt say hate crimes.. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Check with HHR and UN. Why even designate them separately if they are not ethnic/hate crimes? What is the purpose of separate designations? From hereon answer questions before asking any further.
Navyashastra means 'new social order' and not necessarily new shastra. This is as opposed to the old medieval social order.
Mudy,
So, you have never visited your country of Origin Sri Lanka.
Have you ever been to India?
Have you ever been to Indian cities or villages?
Have you ever worked in Indian govt office or Private firm in India?
Have you ever lived in Brahmin or Dalit family home in India?
Have you read Munshi Premchand books?
No, yes, yes, yes, yes, and no. But I have read enough of other Indian writers. I thought I said this all before when you first asked. What is you point? Please dont waste time with your trivial and one line burps. Do you have any arguments and facts?
Have you read your constitution? Please answer before posting any further questions or it will be ignored.
Pathma