04-17-2005, 12:16 AM
Twisting once again. The question is NOT whether things are classified under a different head or not. The question is the data that is being presented as a separate classification is a total of ALL dalit crimes OR hate-crimes against dalits.
Once again from the NCRB website..
http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2003/cii-2003/CHAP1.pdf
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Broad classification of crimes under the Indian Penal Code (IPC)
i) Crimes Against Body: Murder, Its attempt, Culpable Homicide not amounting to Murder, Kidnapping & Abduction, Hurt, Causing Death by Negligence;
ii) Crimes Against Property: Dacoity, its preparation & assembly, Robbery, Burglary, Theft;
iii) Crimes Against Public Order: Riots, Arson;
iv) Economic Crimes: Criminal Breach of Trust, Cheating, Counterfeiting;
v) Crimes Against Women: Rape, Dowry Death, Cruelty by Husband and Relatives, Molestation, Sexual Harassment and Importation of Girls;
vi) Crimes Against Children: Child Rape, Kidnapping & Abduction of Children, Procuration of minor girls, Selling/Buying of girls for Prostitution, Abetment of Suicide, Exposure and Abandonment, Infanticide, Foeticide; vii) Other IPC crimes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Such description does NOT exist for the figures presented under the SC/ST crime classification. SC/ST crimes are not even mentioned in these 6 heads. So what does this all mean ?
Well take crimes against women for instance..
http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2003/cii-2003/CHAP5.pdf
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Although Women may be victims of any of the crimes such as `Murder', `Robbery', `Cheating', etc, only the crimes which are directed specifically against Women are characterised as `Crime Against Women'. </b>These are broadly classified under two categories.
(1) The Crimes under the Indian Penal Code (IPC) (i) Rape (Sec. 376 IPC) (ii) Kidnapping & Abduction for different purposes (Sec. 363 - 373 IPC) (iii) Homicide for Dowry, Dowry Deaths or their attempts (Sec. 302/304-B IPC) (iv) Torture, both mental and physical (Sec. 498-A IPC) (v) Molestation (Sec. 354 IPC) (vi) Sexual Harassment* (Sec. 509 IPC) (vii) Importation of girls (upto 21 years of age) (Sec. 366-B IPC) (* referred in the past as `Eve-Teasing')
(2) The Crimes under the Special & Local Laws (SLL)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Similarly for other categories.. But for SC/ST figures here is how the data has been collected..
http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2003/cii-2003/CHAP7.pdf
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Classification of Crimes The crimes against Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes are broadly categorised under two categories.</b>
(1) Under the Indian Penal Code (IPC) (i) Murder (ii) Hurt(iii) Rape (iv) Kidnapping & Abduction (v) Dacoity (vi) Robbery (vii) Arson (viii) Others (other classified IPC crimes)
(2) Under Special Laws (SL) (i) Protection of Civil Rights Acts, 1955 (ii) The Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989. The crimes under IPC such as `Murder', `Hurt', `Rape', etc. or under Special Acts such as PCR Act & SC/ST (P) Act are already included in overall crimes reported under IPC and SLL respectively and have been discussed in details in the preceding chapters. The specific crimes against SC/ST discussed in the following paragraphs is part and parcel of total crimes but analysed separately for better comprehension.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So where in this collection of data does it say that the murders are hate-murders ? Notice the difference I have highlighted. THAT is the difference we are talking about.
Once again from the NCRB website..
http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2003/cii-2003/CHAP1.pdf
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Broad classification of crimes under the Indian Penal Code (IPC)
i) Crimes Against Body: Murder, Its attempt, Culpable Homicide not amounting to Murder, Kidnapping & Abduction, Hurt, Causing Death by Negligence;
ii) Crimes Against Property: Dacoity, its preparation & assembly, Robbery, Burglary, Theft;
iii) Crimes Against Public Order: Riots, Arson;
iv) Economic Crimes: Criminal Breach of Trust, Cheating, Counterfeiting;
v) Crimes Against Women: Rape, Dowry Death, Cruelty by Husband and Relatives, Molestation, Sexual Harassment and Importation of Girls;
vi) Crimes Against Children: Child Rape, Kidnapping & Abduction of Children, Procuration of minor girls, Selling/Buying of girls for Prostitution, Abetment of Suicide, Exposure and Abandonment, Infanticide, Foeticide; vii) Other IPC crimes.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Such description does NOT exist for the figures presented under the SC/ST crime classification. SC/ST crimes are not even mentioned in these 6 heads. So what does this all mean ?
Well take crimes against women for instance..
http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2003/cii-2003/CHAP5.pdf
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Although Women may be victims of any of the crimes such as `Murder', `Robbery', `Cheating', etc, only the crimes which are directed specifically against Women are characterised as `Crime Against Women'. </b>These are broadly classified under two categories.
(1) The Crimes under the Indian Penal Code (IPC) (i) Rape (Sec. 376 IPC) (ii) Kidnapping & Abduction for different purposes (Sec. 363 - 373 IPC) (iii) Homicide for Dowry, Dowry Deaths or their attempts (Sec. 302/304-B IPC) (iv) Torture, both mental and physical (Sec. 498-A IPC) (v) Molestation (Sec. 354 IPC) (vi) Sexual Harassment* (Sec. 509 IPC) (vii) Importation of girls (upto 21 years of age) (Sec. 366-B IPC) (* referred in the past as `Eve-Teasing')
(2) The Crimes under the Special & Local Laws (SLL)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Similarly for other categories.. But for SC/ST figures here is how the data has been collected..
http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2003/cii-2003/CHAP7.pdf
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Classification of Crimes The crimes against Scheduled Castes/Scheduled Tribes are broadly categorised under two categories.</b>
(1) Under the Indian Penal Code (IPC) (i) Murder (ii) Hurt(iii) Rape (iv) Kidnapping & Abduction (v) Dacoity (vi) Robbery (vii) Arson (viii) Others (other classified IPC crimes)
(2) Under Special Laws (SL) (i) Protection of Civil Rights Acts, 1955 (ii) The Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989. The crimes under IPC such as `Murder', `Hurt', `Rape', etc. or under Special Acts such as PCR Act & SC/ST (P) Act are already included in overall crimes reported under IPC and SLL respectively and have been discussed in details in the preceding chapters. The specific crimes against SC/ST discussed in the following paragraphs is part and parcel of total crimes but analysed separately for better comprehension.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So where in this collection of data does it say that the murders are hate-murders ? Notice the difference I have highlighted. THAT is the difference we are talking about.