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Sanatana Dharma - Aka Hinduism (3rd Bin)
Related to the copy-paste portions of: posts 189, 198 and 199 of this thread, and 162 of the Buddhism etc thread.





The following's from the intro of another book - by yet another Hindoo of established background - which has some relevant stuff.

Transcribing excerpts:



Quote:In the MahAbhArata it is said that there is no knowledge such as SA~Nkhya and no power like that of Yoga. We should have no doubt as to SA~Nkhya being the highest knowledge. (ShAntiparva 316-2).

[...]



The references to SA~Nkhya SUtras are found in the Vedas. For example, Tamas is described in the R^ig Veda as:

Quote:तम आसीद् तमसा गूळ्हमग्रे अप्रकेतम् (R^ig Veda X-129-3).

which later assumed the form of the unmanifest. This very R^ig Veda shows the dissolution of the elements of the elemental world in its cause, thus indicating SatkArya vAda to which philosophy SA~Nkhya belongs. Even the PradhAna is referred to as AjA and the Veda explains it as below:

Quote:तमिद्गर्भं प्रथमं दध्र आपो यत्र देवाः समगच्छन्त विश्वे ।

अजस्य नाभावध्येकमर्षितं यस्मिन् विश्वानि भुवनानि तस्थुः ॥ (R^ig Veda X 82.6)

(ajA is Amman, who is the prakRiti/pradhAna, the devAtma-shakti of Ishvara. See Shvetaashvatara UpaniShad.)



Further, the Sattva, Rajas and Tamas of the SA~Nkhya Philosophy is [was already] explained in the ChAndogya UpaniShad, and the SA~Nkhya categories are clearly mentioned in the KaTha Upanishad (3.10, 11). It is a well known fact that ShvetAshvatara UpaniShad is essentially a SA~Nkhya UpaniShad [i.e. all being the pre-classical=seshvara sAMkhyam] because it clearly mentions the SA~Nkhya categories. In the ShvetAshvatara UpaniShad, the word 'SA~Nkhya' and 'Kapila' have been used for the first time (6.13). Again in the same UpaniShad words like Vyakta, Avyakta and J~na also are found (1.8). Similarly the use of the words PradhAna, PrakR^iti and GuNa is also found here (1st Chapter 10, 4th Chapter 10, 1st Chapter 13). The mention of such words as Sattva, Rajas and Tamas by name, the exposition of five subtle elements, the enunciation of the five gross elements, the reference to the SA~Nkhya categories of KShetraj~na, Sa~Nkalpa, AdhyavasAya, AbhimAna and Li~Nga clearly show that these UpaniShads were formed after the formulation of the SA~Nkhya system of thought. [<- I.e. the pre-classical=Vedic=theistic sAMkhya, seshvara sAMkhya onlee, from which the more reduced form emerged later. Contrary to Elst's claims].

In the MahAbhArata and the PurANas we find the SA~Nkhya Philosophy fully explained.

[...]



So:



1. More proof that the liars peddling ur-Shramanism are the real swindlers (=their accusation, returned to them): Hindoo heathenism=Vedic Religion naturally evolved SA~Nkhya-Yoga, all through the Vedam.



And Vedic religion shows its working (all the way from even the Rig Vedam it seems), and is the only Indic religion that can. Meanwhile, the Shramanisms merely 'inherited' - or rather poached, since that's what they dared accuse Hindoos/Hindoo religion of - what was already long well-formed/full-fledged in Hindoo heathenism and as it existed as at the time of the appearance of the Shramanisms. But the shramanisms were always easily dated. And their backprojected antiquity - via multiple Buddhas and Teerthankaras - was just their missionary fraud.





2. And to keep harping on it:



contrary to Elst pretending that Hindoo heathens="polytheistic idolators" had eclipsed the "godless schools of [Indian] thought" via some "coup d'etat", such as "the godless philosophy of sA~Nkhya" - by which Elst meant only the later, classical sAMkhya,

the fact is that not only does the GitA sAMkhya pre-date the classical kind (also contrary to Elstianisms), sAMkhya was originally theistic onlee - e.g. see Shvetaashvatara UpaniShad - being literally "seshvara sAMkhya" [=also the alternative name of the classical yoga darshana, in contradistinction to the classical, atheistic sAMkhya darshana = nirIshvara sAMkhya].



And it was further the atheistic kind that evolved later from the original heathen version, which original heathen version was already long developed and closely associated with yoga [and vedaanta] (whereas the later classical sAMkhya was not closely associated with yoga).



So it is in fact very legitimate of Hindoos to say that Yoga is in origins indeed "theistic Hindoo"*, because the original sA~Nkhya[-yoga-vedaanta] was so, which is actually why its continuation to the present times in Hindoo heathenism remains so. And it's why Vaidika=HindOO tantra manuals are about the sAMkhya-yoga-vedaanta =Vedic onlee.



* And the Yoga darshana "aka seshvara sAMkhya" was called, of which Patanjali's Yogasutras is held up as the authoritative text of this age, sounds rather consistent to the original Hindoo heathen version of sAMkhya-yoga-vedAnta (see shvetAshvatara Upanishad) i.e. the pre-classical=Vedic=theistic sAMkhya (which is a seshvara sAMkhya).





The relevant stuff is in the quoteblock.
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