Hindutva

[HareKrishna]

<!--QuoteBegin-Capt M Kumar+Nov 2 2009, 07:31 AM-->QUOTE(Capt M Kumar @ Nov 2 2009, 07:31 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--emo&:ind--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/india.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='india.gif' /><!--endemo--> I think rather than being reactive, there is need to be proactive viz.
all the author needs to be told of fireworks on 4th of July.
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is not wrong to have private armed forces .
muslims everywhere have swords and guns hidden inside the house and nobody ask them about that.
if you are just defensive you will loose .

is more then else a battle of the minds .
for example ,if you convince the pakis that islam is wrong an mohamed was a pedophile rapist ,the paki threat will disparate next day.
how can you spam them until they cant handle it?
spaming is actually their weapon ;by spaming christo-islamism was spread.

[Guest]

Oh Lordy! Even if we are to take every last KW of power generated by this US-India Nuke deal, it'll still not dispel the darkness in this dolt Kancha's bheja.

There's a bit of Indo - US history - especially when it comes to fireworks. This fireworks were the source of inspiration for Francis Scott Key who penned the American National Anthem. Some details here or here or here (International Space Hall of Fame) I'm sure it's available elsewhere such as Wiki on congreve rocket and Tipu on wiki

This is an image from NASA itself. This has also been documented in ex-President Abdul Kalam's book 'Wings of Fire'.

Kancha should ask President Obama about the Hanuman idol he carries in his pocket. I'd like to see how that conversation goes <!--emo&:cool--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/specool.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='specool.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[brihaspati]

Acharyaji,

what is motivation behind this open invitation ? Tactical only? Real hope that there will be change of heart and "reconversion"? Or is it really now accepted that one can retain Islamism or EJism as foundation and still be part of Bharatyia worldview?

[Guest]

[quote name='brihaspati' date='27 December 2009 - 05:40 AM' timestamp='1261872150' post='103142']

Acharyaji,

what is motivation behind this open invitation ? Tactical only? Real hope that there will be change of heart and "reconversion"? Or is it really now accepted that one can retain Islamism or EJism as foundation and still be part of Bharatyia worldview?

[/quote]

Islamizm and EJizm are not and dont consider themselves Bhartiya. They wont touch anything Bharti with 10feet pole unless its freebee ,pretrain no hardship or sacrifice. I will like to know how many Muslims and Ejs made supreme sacrifice in struggle for Indpendence of Bharat from Brutish Kingdom?

[G.Subramaniam]

[quote name='brihaspati' date='27 December 2009 - 05:40 AM' timestamp='1261872150' post='103142']

Acharyaji,

what is motivation behind this open invitation ? Tactical only? Real hope that there will be change of heart and "reconversion"? Or is it really now accepted that one can retain Islamism or EJism as foundation and still be part of Bharatyia worldview?

[/quote]



There is an online book

Time for stock taking, whither sangh parivar



at bharatvani.org



Basically, Shrirang Godbole, an RSS guy accused the RSS of being dumb idiots

More recently he accused Nitin Gadkari as a dumb idiot



In Maharashtra, the NCP-Congress bribe muslim mullahs to sell them

waqf land in urban areas for a pittance

and in exchange for secular speeches from congress-NCP,

the hindu congress-NCP are looting billions of money of muslim land



Gadkari wants to put a stop to this

and Godbole called it idiotic, since this waqf land in the hands of

mullahs will be dangerous to hindus



The RSS wants Akhand Bharat, not realising that muslims have breeded

in Akhand Islamistan from 35% in 1950 to 30% today and heading for 35%

by 2050



The best possible spin is that RSS is trying to soothe psec hindus

[dhu]

Kanchan Gupta:



Assertion of Hindu pride, which does not have to be done with trishuls and flags, is necessary to restore a sense of national pride. Yes, the next decades are about economics and development, about governance. Minimum intervention by the state, maximum delivery. We also need to look beyond 'cosmopolitan' concerns of urban India. All of India is not Dilli, with its vulgar share of resources and equally vulgar obsession with self-interest. Social equity will be possible only if we go beyond urban India. And I do agree, electoral reforms are a must. Let's seriously consider proportional representation along with mandatory voting. The BJP tried to move in this direction and was stymied by Left-lib intelligentsia which has disproportionate say in policy. A last thought, self-flagellation weakens a society. So Hindus have to stop wringing their hands.

[acharya]

India to file charge sheet against 68 people in Babri Mosque case



* CBI to investigate conspiracy angle unveiled by Librahan commission’s report tabled in parliament last year



By Iftikhar Gilani



NEW DELHI: The Indian Home Ministry is understood to have decided to a file charge sheet against all 68 persons named in a judicial commission report for their involvement in the Babri Mosque demolition case on December 6, 1992.



While eight persons among them – including Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) stalwarts Lal Krishna Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi, Kalyan Singh and Vinay Katiyar – have already been made accused in the case, sources said the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) would file a supplementary charge sheet against the remaining 60 people.



Probe:

They said the CBI would also investigate the conspiracy angle to the demolition case that was unveiled in the judicial Liberhan Commission's report tabled in parliament last year. The most important thing would be its probe into the financial transactions of the member organisations of the ultra-Hindu nationalist groups accused by the commission.



Sources said the CBI probe would also look into the role of the 18 people who operated bank accounts associated with the construction work of the Ram Mandir at the disputed Ayodhya site.



The CBI was given specific instructions by Home Minister P Chidambaram on December 16 last year to examine the Liberhan Commission's report and explore the possibility of filing cases against those named in the report for their direct or indirect involvement in Babri Mosque’s demolition.



Sources said Chidambaram also asked the CBI to expedite the trials of all three pending demolition cases to bring the culprits to justice. Cases that have still not been decided after 18 years since the mosque’s demolition is a reflection of the poor functioning of the CBI, the home minister has remarked.

[sai_k]

BJP is failing on its Hindutva largely because there are not focused on building the temple for nourishment of our culture. If Ayodhya is in dispute, there are no disputes in the south, where they could have been perhaps a flourishing culture and business model established for those areas where Ramayan has a big say.. From Rameshwaram up to as much as they can cover. The hanuman bridge should have been done actually, by rebuilding the structures that are partially submerged, and perhaps get NIOT services to establish museums etc to attract travelers.



bad politics

[Capt M Kumar]

Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste is not an academic treatise, much less a definitive compendium of the phenomenon of caste within Hindu, Indian or South Asian society. It should be viewed as what it is: An advocacy document.



Not everybody has chosen to see the HAF report in such terms. Internet-based Hindu polemicists have decried it and used language that borders on xenophobia. HAF has been charged with encouraging the United States Congress to intervene in India’s domestic social and political structures. It has been accused of Semitising Hinduism by giving primacy to some ‘books’ over others. Finally, some have put forward the absurd claim that Hindus who have migrated and live in countries outside India have no business commenting on caste, Hinduism and social and religious practices of the ‘matrabhumi’. This is not just bizarre, it is dangerous nonsense. http://www.dailypioneer.com/306132/Not-c...stone.html

[Guest]

Yup, the report has really churned the "Internet Hindus". Never seen so much action in a long time.

[dhu]

Not sure but there are plenty of other issues occupying sniper fire at the moment, this report is rather ill-timed and not registering much. Some of the more pressing issues



2G

Barkha Dutt/Radia

wikileaks geopplitical revelations

Subramaniam Swamy revelations about Sonia's links

Bihar results

Onion scam/inflation

Prince's antics with the US ambassador

Binayak Sen and media love affair with Maoists

Hurriyat (or like) conference with foreign journos





The HAF report hardly reads any different than the standard colonial-missionary "critiques" that we are familiar with. They may be pre-empting the caste card to be used by their 4M detractors. Or they may have mis-stepped.



I remember the evidence based report issued by the Hindu British council which stated that Caste was a purely British projection. It was extremely bold for the time and heralded a wave of such deconstructions from the Hindu side. Now deconstructions of caste as a colonial projection are not outrightly rejected and ridiculed by the self-appointed custodians of all that is moral and good and just in the universe.



The news cycle has accelerated far beyond for any one person to grasp the full implications, much less control. Every open Indian forum has a plethora of Hindutva voices and i'm sure that Prince is avoiding all venues where there is even a chance of open opinion.



The strata of Hindu proponents who accepted many of the colonial/philological constructions are slowly but surely fading..

[dhu]

http://twitpic.com/3ozpro



BHU students stoning the gates during Rahul Gandhi's lecture session.. We need to watch for a distinct drop in public appearances by the foreigner dynasty

[Guest]

Came via email (need to discuss this) :



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Truth has mysterious ways of coming out. Now, thanks to WikiLeaks, what was a mere conjecture, stands confirmed.





Wiki on Jaitley: 'Hindutva an opportunistic issue'

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/hindutya-just...37-64.html





BJP was never serious about Hindutva. They merely exploited the RJB to become the 2nd pole of Indian politics, and once they got there, they discarded Hindutva like a hot potato. This objective is not a bad one in itself, as Indian politics really needed a counter-balance to the Congress. That has been achieved (I suppose).



By content and character, BJP is just like any other secularist political party. Consequently, they will not be able to take up any cause that is driven by Hindutva / Hindu Civilizational imperative.



But in terms of long term civilizational vision, a political party is needed that can carry forward the torch. Doesn't matter if it cannot win a majority on its own. Even if it has 10 MPs, it is good enough to have some minimal presence in the national political discourse.



... Perhaps "Akhil Bharat ***** *********" could potentially play that role.



best regards



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[Guest]

I haven't seen such emails when Rahul leaks came out, where he said Hindus are more dangerous then Jihadist. why only attack BJP?

Something very interesting. Its like first bite our own and ignore outsiders. In place, people should force them to stick to our agenda and beat outsiders.

[dhu]

Wikileaks are probably a strategic initiative by USG.

The nepal leaks exonerated the US/UN role in supporting maoists.

[Guest]

[quote name='dhu' date='28 March 2011 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1301298259' post='111261']

Wikileaks are probably a strategic initiative by USG.

The nepal leaks exonerated the US/UN role in supporting maoists.

[/quote]



Dhuji,



What if the wikileaks are NOT a 'strategic initiative' as you say?



Sorry to pull you out of your comfort zone.

[Guest]

[quote name='Mudy' date='28 March 2011 - 09:08 AM' timestamp='1301283013' post='111258']

I haven't seen such emails when Rahul leaks came out, where he said Hindus are more dangerous then Jihadist. why only attack BJP?

Something very interesting. Its like first bite our own and ignore outsiders. In place, people should force them to stick to our agenda and beat outsiders.

[/quote]



Actually there were lots of criticism on the web on Raul's blabbering to the American ambassador.



When would we accept that the BJP is yet another secular outfit in Indian politics? And those in the federal BJP are anti-Mody for this very obvious reason.

[Guest]

[quote name='Savithri' date='28 March 2011 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1301301866' post='111263']

Actually there were lots of criticism on the web on Raul's blabbering to the American ambassador.



When would we accept that the BJP is yet another secular outfit in Indian politics? And those in the federal BJP are anti-Mody for this very obvious reason.

[/quote]

Then fix BJP not destroy them, they are millions times better than Congress. But attack on BJP is so vicious and which is orchestrated by Congress and spread around by so-called pro-Hindus.

[Guest]

[quote name='Mudy' date='28 March 2011 - 08:20 PM' timestamp='1301323364' post='111264']

Then fix BJP not destroy them, they are millions times better than Congress. But attack on BJP is so vicious and which is orchestrated by Congress and spread around by so-called pro-Hindus.

[/quote]



Fix BJP? How?



I have pointed out fundamental difference between dharma and secularism which is anti-thesis to each other. In my opinion Congress and BJP are both secular parties fighting with each other for power courting same putrid regiional and parochial outfits for alliance in reaching its goal. When BJP ruled the Centre it was a clone of the Congress in shortchanging the Hindus, courting the Muslims in no different fashion and above all it vehemently protected Sonia and the ilk.

[Guest]

[quote name='Savithri' date='28 March 2011 - 08:33 PM' timestamp='1301324121' post='111265']

Fix BJP? How?



I have pointed out fundamental difference between dharma and secularism which is anti-thesis to each other. In my opinion Congress and BJP are both secular parties fighting with each other for power courting same putrid regiional and parochial outfits for alliance in reaching its goal. When BJP ruled the Centre it was a clone of the Congress in shortchanging the Hindus, courting the Muslims in no different fashion and above all it vehemently protected Sonia and the ilk.

[/quote]

So your solution is stick with Congress. That will solve problem. Or you have another party, who can win and promote your agenda in full, 100%.