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Tamil Nadu Reservation Paradox
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06-01-2006, 06:24 AM
The caste analyst M.N.Srinivas wrote that Software was the revenge of the south Indian brahmin, meaning this field was disproportionately influenced by this caste
In simple terms, tamil nadu has lost much of the software business to Bangalore, Hyderabad, thanks to driving out the higher IQ brahmin
06-01-2006, 06:38 AM
While the Dravidianist movement was ostensibly pro-dalit and anti-brahmin, many of the OBC-Dwijas in my colleges used to refer to the SC/ST as '####'
Another racket I noticed was this The vellala caste had 2 major subcastes Karkatha velala classified as forward and Chozhi velala classified as OBC All the karkatha velalas got false caste certificates as Chozhi velalas
06-01-2006, 06:40 AM
The apparent high performance of tamil nadu will end when
the real OBCs ( MBC ) sieze power in tamil nadu and turf out the Chettiar / Mudaliar / Pillai The PMK is a party of Vanniars MBC
06-01-2006, 06:55 AM
The NRI tamil community is split into 2
Tambrams and OBC-Dwijas The tamil OBC-Dwija community is fully supporting the anti-hindus in the California text book controversy To be fair, a fair amount of psecs are from the tambram community There is a huge Shiva Vishnu temple in Maryland The antics of the OBC-Dwijas of tamil nadu during the construction of this temple -- They insisted on a shrine for Muruga ( karthikeya ) This was granted They wanted that some priests trained in tamil prayers be hired This was granted Finally they insisted that all the prayers for Muruga be done only in tamil with no sanskrit prayers Finally the temple comittee told them to take a hike They went and then built their own Muruga temple A bit later they went to a Doctor friend of mine and asked for donations for Muruga temple and tamil sangham When they mentioned tamil sangham, something clicked in my friends head He remembered why he had come to the USA He is a tamil brahmin with an IQ of about 155 and had excellent exam scores Back in tamil nadu, when he went for MBBS admission, the interviewers told him ' Dirty north indian Parpan ( Parpan is a derogatory term for brahmin coined by EVR) go to north Indian colleges' He got into AIMS Delhi and later tried for post graduate MD in tamil nadu and again got 'Dirty north indian parpan go to north India' He then went abroad
06-01-2006, 07:02 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-01-2006, 07:25 AM by G.Subramaniam.)
The hatred of tamil OBC-Dwijas for brahmins goes far beyond college seats or jobs
This hatred is similar to the hatred of muslims for kafirs Brahmins had their thread cut Brahmins dropped their caste name suffix Iyer for fear of assault The dravidianists turned the heat on the poor temple priests Their salaries were cut Temple lands got looted In many temples sanskrit prayers were replaced by tamil prayers Rational voices who argued that both sanskrit and tamil prayers had their uses at certain specific rituals were shut The DK broke lots of idols The DK ran public dramas where Ramayana was humiliated The DK ran processions where pictures of hindu gods were slapped with slippers A prime example is M.Karunanidhi who said publicly Hindu means thief DMK minister Baalu told xtians that he is ashamed to be born a hindu Look at the mask falling from Pathmarajah, ostensibly a devout hindu, during the kanchi episode
06-01-2006, 07:24 AM
Reservations is a form of socialism - get rich quick
Land reform, - sieze land without compensation from landlords Worker rights - make it impossible to fire workers Subsidies for gas, electricity, food etc In the long run, there is no such thing as a free lunch and it took the 1991 crisis to slowly dump socialism I dont know what it will take to dump reservation India has lacked leaders of vision like Lee Kuan Yew Modi has a good start, he cut off free power even at the risk of losing votes The correct path is universal good primary schools then universal good secondary schools and then universal good 2 year colleges then universal good 4 year colleges All this takes time and probably 4 - 6 generations farm worker -> factory unskilled worker -> factory mechanic => factory technician -> factory engineer -> business owner The India public does not have the discipline of the japanese or korean worker to get rich slowly so what happens is that Mayawati gets rich immediately whereas the rest of the dalits still are lagging behind
06-01-2006, 08:35 AM
http://www.friendsofsouthasia.org/textbook...Board_FeTNA.pdf
has a letter written by the tamil OBC-Dwijas NRI associations in favor of marxist-mullah-missionary in the California textbook controversy
06-01-2006, 08:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-ben_ami+May 31 2006, 11:44 PM-->QUOTE(ben_ami @ May 31 2006, 11:44 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-mitradena+May 31 2006, 10:42 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mitradena @ May 31 2006, 10:42 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->and leads to the destruction of the Aryan race as has been clearly indicated in the first chapter of Bhagavad Gita and also in the Manu Smrti.
[right][snapback]51900[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> lmao!! the number of times we come across contradictory statements in this forum !! i read here that 1) there is no such thing as an aryan race (the post started dramatically with "repeat after me..") 2) then again, all indians are aryans ( some are dravidian aryans, some aryan aryans) 3)and now, allusion to the Gita reffering to the aryan race !! could the gita be wrong???? i dont think it was..... the upshot is that the caste system was invented to preserve the aryan race.... from whom??? the non aryans of india i presume??? like the munda and the santals???? [right][snapback]51918[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> This forum has its fair share of racists/casteists. Its all fine and dandy to refute AIT and sing paens of *all are Indians* stuff. But, suddenly when someones caste is at the receiving end *purity* poppycock are floated around. It hurts those that are fighting AIT and it hurts those that have rejected caste system in their day to day dealings with public at large. BTW, there no such BS in BhagawadGita and ManuSmriti has no exalted standing in Hinduism. These casteists are sick, they are driving increasing numbers of ST/SC towards Christainity/Islam.
06-01-2006, 12:22 PM
Would it be ok to generalise and say that FeTNA/LTTE is OBC/Dwija ? or MBC ?
06-01-2006, 03:49 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Jun 1 2006, 06:21 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Jun 1 2006, 06:21 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->As I previously wrote,
based on 1975 data, my average IQ with bell curve estimate in tamil nadu was Brahmin = 115 OBC-Dwija = 105 MBC = 95 SC/ST = 85 and numerous gerrymandering schemes were put in place to limit brahmins in professional colleges, because brahmins kept severely outscoring non-brahmins thanks to the relentless anti-brahmin pressure, most of the higher IQ brahmins ( most migrants are higher IQ ) have migrated to Bangalore, Mumbai, USA , with the net result that mostly only below average brahmins are left behind in tamil nadu and the remnant brahmin in tamil nadu, probably has an IQ of 105, same as OBC-Dwijas <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is really interesting. You stated that Brahmins in TN had an IQ of 115. Now the IQ of Brahmins got reduced to 105. How did that happen? Could you please give the statistics of Brahmins in TN before migration and after migration. How many % of Brahmins migrated and how many remain in TN now?
06-01-2006, 05:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Jun 1 2006, 12:22 PM-->QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Jun 1 2006, 12:22 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Would it be ok to generalise and say that FeTNA/LTTE is OBC/Dwija ? or MBC ?
[right][snapback]51961[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> OBC-Dwija The MBC are really backward and very few are NRI
06-01-2006, 05:38 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-valmiki+Jun 1 2006, 03:49 PM-->QUOTE(valmiki @ Jun 1 2006, 03:49 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Jun 1 2006, 06:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Jun 1 2006, 06:21 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->As I previously wrote,
based on 1975 data, my average IQ with bell curve estimate in tamil nadu was Brahmin = 115 OBC-Dwija = 105 MBC = 95 SC/ST = 85 and numerous gerrymandering schemes were put in place to limit brahmins in professional colleges, because brahmins kept severely outscoring non-brahmins thanks to the relentless anti-brahmin pressure, most of the higher IQ brahmins ( most migrants are higher IQ ) have migrated to Bangalore, Mumbai, USA , with the net result that mostly only below average brahmins are left behind in tamil nadu and the remnant brahmin in tamil nadu, probably has an IQ of 105, same as OBC-Dwijas <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> This is really interesting. You stated that Brahmins in TN had an IQ of 115. Now the IQ of Brahmins got reduced to 105. How did that happen? --- Circa 1975, severe gerrymandering was used to limit brahmins in professional colleges Even as early as 1950, during my fathers time severe gerrymandering was used was used against brahmins From at least 1950, large numbers of tambrams , the top half of the bell curve has migrated The bottom half of the bell curve, having lesser IQ, there is no further need for gerrymandering, but the quotas still remain Given the huge NRI, out of state tambram population, it is certain that at least 50% emigrated In % terms this is almost as large as the ethnic cleansing of hindus from east bengal ---- Could you please give the statistics of Brahmins in TN before migration and after migration. How many % of Brahmins migrated and how many remain in TN now? [right][snapback]51965[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
06-01-2006, 05:53 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Jun 1 2006, 05:38 PM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Jun 1 2006, 05:38 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->
Given the huge NRI, out of state tambram population, it is certain that at least 50% emigrated In % terms this is almost as large as the ethnic cleansing of hindus from east bengal ---- <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> So according to you 50% of TN Brahmins migrated outside, due to the single factor, reservation. That is really amazing and need to be addressed adequately.
06-01-2006, 06:21 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-valmiki+Jun 1 2006, 05:53 PM-->QUOTE(valmiki @ Jun 1 2006, 05:53 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Jun 1 2006, 05:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Jun 1 2006, 05:38 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->
Given the huge NRI, out of state tambram population, it is certain that at least 50% emigrated In % terms this is almost as large as the ethnic cleansing of hindus from east bengal ---- <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> So according to you 50% of TN Brahmins migrated outside, due to the single factor, reservation. That is really amazing and need to be addressed adequately. [right][snapback]51968[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Reservation is just the tip of the iceberg An overall hostile environment has been created Temple lands have been grabbed, Pujaris have been impoverished Reservation in college, reservation in jobs, reservation in promotions If you cut off job opportunities, a community has to adapt or perish Many have migrated, some have evolved into marwari type industrialists the poorer remnant are perishing Darwinian evolution in action In the long term the surviving community will be higher IQ, much richer and more entrepreneural Similarly, even before the 1989 ethnic cleansing, due to the hostile environment, 35% of Kashmiri Pandits emigrated out Similarly in east bengal, thanks to enemy property act and daily harassment 500 hindus a day leave, this apart from the pogroms The example of east bengal is illustrative The upper castes ( more IQ segment ) saw the writing on the wall in 1947 and left by 1961. Most of the remnant ( low IQ segment ) hindus in east bengal are Dalits
06-01-2006, 07:30 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->While the Dravidianist movement was ostensibly pro-dalit and anti-brahmin, many of the OBC-Dwijas in my colleges used to refer to the SC/ST as <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A correction, the dravidianist movement in the initial stages was vehemently anti Dalit, after Brahmins the most hated people by Periyar were the Dalits, we can see his disdain for them in his own writings and speeches, here is an article that I posted before that mentions this: http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06mar/0803ss1.htm As far as I know in the initial stages, only the non Brahmin Dwija castes were considered Dravidian, meaning Dalits and Brahmins were not, it was only later after the Dalit movement took off that the Dravidianists changed their tune and began to portray themselves as Dalit saviours.
06-01-2006, 09:27 PM
Can the Tambrams ask for a minority status ? The concept of minority in article 30 IIRC was pretty vague and I think it does leave lots of room for interpretation. I think if all the things that have been discussed in this forum are presented to the court there is a fair chance that tambrams can be declared a minority.
I was doing a google on "india constitution Article 15(5) 93rd amendment" and "india constitution minority educational institutions referred to in clause (1) of article 30". Dont have time to go through what googleshwara shows right now but it is something worth investigating IMHO. This link looks interesting tho I havent gone thru it completely. http://www.legalservicesindia.com/articles/judi.htm
06-01-2006, 10:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Jun 1 2006, 09:27 PM-->QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Jun 1 2006, 09:27 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can the Tambrams ask for a minority status ? The concept of minority in article 30 IIRC was pretty vague and I think it does leave lots of room for interpretation. I think if all the things that have been discussed in this forum are presented to the court there is a fair chance that tambrams can be declared a minority.
I was doing a google on "india constitution Article 15(5) 93rd amendment" and "india constitution minority educational institutions referred to in clause (1) of article 30". Dont have time to go through what googleshwara shows right now but it is something worth investigating IMHO. This link looks interesting tho I havent gone thru it completely. http://www.legalservicesindia.com/articles/judi.htm [right][snapback]51980[/snapback][/right] <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Tambrams even if they ask for minority status will not get it in Tamil Nadu Tambrams asked for inclusion as OBC due to desperate poverty , but were turned down in Tamil Nadu Their best bet, is to ask for linguistic minority status outside tamil nadu For example, the MEA or DTEA schools in Delhi are a tambram community venture and offer excellent education for reasonable cost Their educational record is so good that many north Indians send their kids there If the DTEA model is taken further, the tambram community can open engineering and medical colleges outside tamil nadu as a linguistic minority In addition, in their new homes, they must build caste alliances with local brahmins, local forward castes, sanskritising OBC castes etc so that they never again are isolated
06-01-2006, 10:31 PM
As I wrote earlier, the pre-1950 tambram caste had a single bell curve IQ of 115
It is now disintegrating into 2 bell curves The higher bell curve with 125 IQ is found as industrialists in tamil nadu, NRIs abroad and in other states The lower bell curve with 105 IQ is found among the remnant population Despite dravidianist propoganda, that tambrams are north indians there has been at least a 30% admixture with the local tamil population Wherever brahmins have migrated they have inducted some members of the local priesthood, literate class into brahminhood, despite the so called caste rigidity There are brahmins in Thailand who look like Thais There are brahmins in Assam who look assamese and so on Meaning, 30% of the tambrams can 'pass' as OBC-Dwijas I fully expect those who can 'pass' as OBC-Dwijas to get false caste certificates and declare themselves as OBC-Dwijas This can easily be done in cities This is similar to mixed race blacks 'passing' as whites in the US until a few decades ago
06-01-2006, 10:47 PM
Today, the US spelling bee is being shown on ABC from 8PM to 10PM
There are 275 finalists Out of these 30 are of Indian origin I would expect the rest 245 to be whites Whites have an average IQ of 105 and are 70% of the US population Indians are mostly hindus, sikhs, jains and are 0.5% of the US population Using the spelling bee as a crude bell curve IQ test, I shall now calculate average NRI hindu/sikh/jain IQ IQ threshold for finalist = 145 White % among finalist = 89% White Average IQ = 105 Indian % among finalist = 11% Average NRI IQ = 122
06-01-2006, 11:29 PM
Consitution of India is above the Dravidianist games. If there is legal backing Tambrams need to get minority status right there because they are TAMIL brahmins. If Tambrams leave within 50 years there will be a partition. Brahmins are the glue that binds Bharat.
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