Lessons From Media Involvement In Yugoslavia

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 02:16 PM by Husky.)

A friend of mine at university, a Scottish guy who was studying political science, researched the recent wars in the Balkans. He then presented his work in class, and stunned everyone. It was partly about Yugoslavia, partly about the media and how we are all taken in.

On some other friends' request he later made a small blog or webpage or something based on links to accessible sites and emailed me a copy too. For the webpage, he greatly simplified the material and the width of his actual research, so that people who didn't know much about Yugoslavia could understand.

I am going to be pasting extracts here. Bold and other emphasis are his. If I make any comments, they are at the top or bottom of a post in round brackets.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-28-2006, 10:24 AM by Husky.)

The recent Balkan wars: Bosnia and Kosovo - and media distortions 
The Bosnian war
Allies and lies - BBC News, 22 June, 2001:
The official policy of the US was to stay out of the war. The article deals with how instead of staying out of the war, they were covertly involved. Headings include:

QUOTECovert [air] drops by the US
US Bugging the UN commanders and officers 
QUOTEThe Bosnian war was the first major test of the West's resolve in the post-Cold War era, and one that it unambiguously failed.
Prevarication, competing national agendas and lack of moral courage on the part of politicians and diplomats worsened an already horrific situation, while on the ground UN peacekeepers with inadequate support and confusing orders wrestled with a situation for which they were ill-trained. Into this already complicated situation came the ultimate "wild card", the United States of America, the world's only superpower. A small group at the head of America's foreign policy elite intervened covertly in what it had previously called "Europe's problem".

It was driven by a mixture of media-fuelled public opinion, simplistic moral outrage and personal ambition to make a name in the "only game in town". Its easy answer for Bosnia's ills was "lift and strike" - re-arm the Bosniaks (mostly Bosnian Muslims) and Croats and bomb the Serbs.
...
The air drops were only the tip of the iceberg. A team of retired US officers planned the bloody Croatian "liberation" of the Kraijina and the subsequent invasion of western Bosnia by the Croatian Army in the summer of 1995. The US also provided intelligence to the Croats, flying unmanned reconnaissance drones off the Adriatic island of Brac. More significantly the US launched a huge signals and electronic intelligence gathering operation in Croatia to provide targeting information not for Nato or the UN, but for Croatia alone. 

BBC News, July, 11 2001 - transcript of Allies and lies:
This transcript of the video production is much longer than the article above and contains more information on the intervention of the US: its bugging of officers, its air drops to the Muslims and Croatians, its training and equipping of the Croatians and the Muslims of Bosnia.
QUOTEIn an investigation across six countries, Correspondent has uncovered a series of incidents which has tested the Western Alliance to breaking point.
MOLDESTAD (V/O): "...the Americans were controlling the entire Bosnian air space -- on their own"
ROSE (V/O): "My own office [...] was bugged by the Americans."
JOULWAN (V/O): "...how would I know what the State Department or the CIA was doing?"
This is a story about Americans behaving badly. About thousands of un-necessary deaths. About an alliance in crisis. 
QUOTEThe United States had no faith in a negotiated settlement to the war. Senior officials in the State Department, the CIA and the National Security Council believed that the only solution possible was what they called "lift and strike". They wanted to re-arm and train the Croats and the Muslims and then encourage them to fight an all-out war against the Bosnian Serb Army. "Lift and strike" was totally contrary to the UN mandate and in breach of the Arms Embargo. It was Washington's secret agenda.
QUOTEDefence analyst Tim Ripley believes that the US plot to train and equip the Bosnian Muslims directly led to the terrible death-toll at Srebrenica later in 1995.
Note that this is not the war in Kosovo of the late 90s where the media showed Serbs persecuting the Muslim ethnic Albanians. This the Bosnian war of the early 90s: the one where the Serbs were the victims and were sent packing from their homes (as shown in news reports) by Croats and Muslims.

'Voices of Moral Obtuseness' or 'Voices of Immoral Bigotry'? - Antiwar.Com, 29 September 2001:
QUOTEin 1995, with US military aid and technology, Croatian forces brutally ethnically cleansed over 650,000 Serbs from Croatia, including 250,000 from those ancestral lands in the Krajina.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 01:57 PM by Husky.)

The Kosovo war and its unpleasant after-effects:
'This is what will happen to us all' - Gracko's Serbs bury 14 massacred farmers and fear for their lives - Guardian, July 29, 1999
QUOTEThe massacre was the worst so far under K-For's rule, putting in doubt its ability to protect the lives and property of Kosovo's ethnic minorities. To the few hundred Serbs who have not quit Kosovo the arrests made little difference. They fear that they too will end up in coffins like those unloaded from white aid-agency trucks after autopsies in Pristina and laid out on a basketball court in the centre of the village green.
...
But in recent days the 80 Serb families here have opened up to the British troops, knowing that they are all that stand between them and another massacre.
...
"I think we were fed a bad line about the KLA," a British soldier said. "They are terrorists and we won their war for them.It's not only Serbs but ethnic Albanians as well that are scared of them."
Other links: Albanian threat to kill UK peacekeepers

07-13-2006, 02:04 PM

(Still Kosovo war)
The Media invents Serbian atrocities: 
The non-factual basis of Serbian "systematic rape policies", "mass graves", and "death camps".
The Media's War Against the Serbs, Antiwar.Com - Jan 15, 2001
It discusses many things, including the non-existing massgraves that US papers flaunted.

QUOTEOn 6 August 1998, the Washington Times featured "stringer" Philip Smucker's exclusive front page headline read: "Kosovar bodies bulldozed to dump; Serbs deny massacre, but evidence [not "alleged," or "thought-to-be], but "evidence impossible to avoid of mass graves containing the bodies of 567." He also claimed that at least half of the bodies were those of women and children although, to that point, the alleged bodies had not been exhumed.
...
However, on the very same day, the Guardian [UK] of 6 August 1998, reported,
"European Union (EU) observers found no evidence of mass graves reported in the town of Orahovac, the teams' Austrian leader, Walter Ebenberger, said."
In contrast to the front page coverage given to Mr. Smucker's intended shock-attention report on Serb atrocities, the following day the Washington Times carried a small, barely noticeable item hidden on page A15 (World Scene, 7 August 1998), which stated,
"NATO Chief [Secretary-General Javier Solana] dismissed mass graves in Kosovo."
...the role of Bosnian Muslim president, Alija Izetbegovic, about whom a Deutsche Presse Agentur dispatch of June 6, 1996 wrote,
"For the first time, a senior UN official has admitted the existence of a secret UN report that blames the Bosnian Moslems for the February 1994 massacre of Moslems at a Sarajevo [Markale] market, the excuse the US used to bomb the Bosnian Serbs."
The report continues that the Moslems fired on their own people
"in order to create international sympathy and get the West to fight on their side against the Serbs."

About the media's stories on the Serbs' "systematic rape policies" and "death camps", and the non-reporting of others' crimes:
Seeing Yugoslavia Through a Dark Glass: Politics, Media And the Ideology of Globalization - GlobalPolicy.Org, March 1998.
By Diana Johnstone, press officer of the Green group in the European Parliament from 1990 to 1996:
QUOTEAs the war in Bosnia-Herzegovina got under way in mid-1992, American journalists who repeated unconfirmed stories of Serbian atrocities could count on getting published with a chance of a Pulitzer Prize. Indeed, the 1993 Pulitzer Prize for international reporting was shared between the two authors of the most sensational "Serb atrocity stories" of the year: Roy Gutman of "Newsday" and John Bums of the "New York Times". In both cases, the prize-winning articles were based on hearsay evidence of dubious credibility. Gutman's articles, mostly based on accounts by Muslim refugees in the Croatian capital, Zagreb, were collected in a book rather misleadingly entitled "A Witness to Genocide", although in fact he had been a "witness" to nothing of the sort. His allegations that Serbs were running "death camps" were picked up by Ruder Finn and widely diffused, notably to Jewish organizations. Burns's story was no more than an interview with a mentally deranged prisoner in a Sarajevo jail, who confessed to crimes some of which have been since proved never to have been committed. 

On the other hand, there was no market for stories by a journalist who discovered that reported Serbian "rape camps" did not exist (German TV reporter Martin Lettmayer), or who included information about Muslim or Croat crimes against Serbs (Belgian journalist Georges Berghezan for one). It became increasingly impossible to challenge the dominant interpretation in major media. Editors naturally prefer to keep the story simple: one villain, and as much blood as possible. Moreover, after the German government forced the early recognition of Slovenian and Croatian independence, other Western powers lined up opportunistically with the anti-Serb position. The United States soon moved aggressively into the game by picking its own client state - Muslim Bosnia - out of the ruins.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 03-01-2007, 11:43 AM by Husky.)

The Media and Their Atrocities - May 2000, by political scientist Michael Parenti.
Contians sections titled "The Ethnic Cleansing Hype" and "The Disappearing "Mass Graves":

QUOTEthree Croatian generals were indicted by the Hague War Crimes Tribunal for the bombardment and deaths of Serbs in Krajina and elsewhere. John Ranz, chair of Survivors of the Buchenwald Concentration Camp, USA, asks:
Where were the TV cameras when hundreds of Serbs were slaughtered by Muslims near Srebrenica?[2]
The official line, faithfully parroted in the US media, is that Bosnian Serb forces committed all the atrocities at Srebrenica.
...During the Bosnian war in 1993, the Serbs were accused of pursuing an official policy of rape. "Go forth and rape," a Bosnian Serb commander supposedly publicly instructed his troops. The source of that story never could be traced. The commander's name was never produced. As far as we know, no such utterance was ever made. Even the New York Times belatedly ran a tiny retraction, coyly allowing that,

"[T]he existence of 'a systematic rape policy' by the Serbs remains to be proved."[3]

Bosnian Serb forces supposedly raped anywhere from 25,000 to 100,000 Muslim women, according to various stories. The Bosnian Serb army numbered not more than 30,000 or so, many of whom were involved in desperate military engagements. A representative from Helsinki Watch noted that stories of massive Serbian rapes originated with the Bosnian Muslim and Croatian governments and had no credible supporting evidence. Common sense would dictate that these stories be treated with the utmost skepticism-and not be used as an excuse for an aggressive and punitive policy against Yugoslavia.

The "mass rape" propaganda theme was resuscitated in 1999 to justify the continued NATO slaughter of Yugoslavia. A headline in the San Francisco Examiner (April 26, 1999) tells us: "Serb Tactic Is Organized Rape, Kosovo Refugees Say." No evidence or testimony is given to support the charge of organized rape. Only at the bottom of the story, in the nineteenth paragraph, do we read that reports gathered by the Kosovo mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe found no such organized rape policy. The actual number of rapes were in the dozens, "and not many dozens," according to the OSCE spokesperson. This same story did note in passing that the UN War Crimes Tribunal sentenced a Bosnian Croat military commander to ten years in prison for failing to stop his troops from raping Muslim women in 1993-an atrocity we heard little about when it was happening. (Helsinki Watch is a human rights organisation.)

Michael Parenti writes:
QUOTEThe well-timed, well-engineered story about a Serbian massacre of unarmed Albanians in the village of Racak, hyped by U.S. diplomat and veteran disinformationist William Walker... An Associated Press TV crew had actually filmed the battle that took place in Racak the previous day in which Serbian police killed a number of KLA fighters. A French journalist who went through Racak later that day found evidence of a battle but no evidence of a massacre of unarmed civilians, nor did Walker's own Kosovo Verification Mission monitors. All the forensic reports reveal that almost all of the forty-four persons killed had previously been using fire arms, and all had perished in combat. Sell simply ignores this evidence.

The media-hyped story of how the Serbs allegedly killed 7,000 Muslims in Srebrenica is uncritically accepted by Sell, even though the most thorough investigations have uncovered not more than 2,000 bodies of undetermined nationality. The earlier massacres carried out by Muslims, their razing of some fifty Serbian villages around Srebrenica, as reported by two British correspondents and others, are ignored. The complete failure of Western forensic teams to locate the 250,000 or 100,000 or 50,000 or 10,000 bodies (the numbers kept changing) of Albanians supposedly murdered by the Serbs in Kosovo also goes unnoticed.

Lying for Empire - Chapter 8: The Empire as the good guy: Clinton kills civilians to save them, by David Model:
QUOTEOne of the most publicized battles in the war was the Serbian siege of Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia. Although Serbian forces committed atrocities in Sarajevo, the Bosnian atrocities against the Serbs were just as great. The three infamous marketplace massacres in Sarajevo in 1992, 1994, and 1995 were blamed on the Serbs when, in fact, there is evidence that the Muslims were responsible for the massacres.
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Two major factors contributed to the growing strength of the KLA: the drug trade and support from the U.S. In 1998, the western perspective on the conflict began to shift from a condemnation of the KLA as a terrorist organization to a condemnation of the actions of the Serbian forces in Kosovo. The U.S. began equipping the KLA with very sophisticated weapons. 

On March 9, 1998, the U.S., Germany, the U.K., France, and Italy met in London and established conditions which the FRY had to meet in order to avoid punitive measures. The London meeting ignored the actions of the KLA who were brutally attacking the Serbs and focused exclusively on the actions of Serbian forces. The conflict in Kosovo had become a civil war with outside powers supporting the KLA. Near the end of 1998, stories about ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo began to surface. This and other myths were part of the propaganda campaign to win public support for a war against Serbia.(the last italicisation was mine)

07-13-2006, 02:15 PM

These and more links:
- The Rational Destruction of Yugoslavia, by political scientist Michael Parenti
- Yugoslav Sojourn: Notes from the Other Side, by Michael Parenti
- If Itâs Good Enough for Serbiaâs Goose, Why Not for Croatiaâs Gander? - Antiwar.Com, 12 July 2000
- 'Voices of Moral Obtuseness' or 'Voices of Immoral Bigotry'? - Antiwar.Com, 29 September 2001
- "Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base.", 1997 report by the US Senate Republican Policy Committee
- Whitewashing the Holocaust - Jasenovac and the Politics of Genocide
- Lying for Empire - Chapter 8: The Empire as the good guy: Clinton kills civilians to save them, by David Model

Books on the Balkan Wars:
These book lists at Amazon.com have been compiled by a UN refugee co-ordinator from Spain. Among others, they also include books by Michael Parenti and Diane Johnstone quoted above.
- Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo
- More about wars in Yugoslavia and the Vatican's role in the Balkans

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-21-2007, 05:24 AM by Husky.)

I'm no longer citing stuff from my friend's email.

The following is recent news on Yugoslavia: Kosovo, or older news that I found recently. It goes from here up to post 15.
There's a lesson in it for India.

I'm going to give a name to all the following material.
Islamic tactics: How islamics get their way and get others' land

http://subs.nzherald.co.nz/location/story....jectID=10401950
QUOTEKosovo Albanian rebel convicted of war crimes
Tuesday September 19, 2006

BELGRADE - Serbia sentenced a former Kosovo Albanian rebel to 13 years in jail yesterday for murder, torture and rape committed in unrest during the withdrawal of Serb forces from the breakaway province in June 1999.

Anton Lekaj, an ex-member of the Kosovo Liberation Army, was found guilty for his part in the killing of a male Roma gypsy and the torture of 10 other people, including the rape of an under-age girl, at the end of Nato's intervention to stop the Kosovo war.QUOTEThe court said a group of KLA soldiers, including the then 19-year-old Lekaj, had abducted 11 people in the area of Djakovica, southern Kosovo. Most were Roma gypsies attending a wedding party. They held them captive for four days, tortured them and "committed inhumane acts" against them.QUOTEThe indictment adds that Lekaj's unit was under the command of Ramush Haradinaj, an ex-prime minister of Kosovo who has been indicted for murder, rape and deportation of Serb civilians by the UN crimes tribunal in The Hague, and is awaiting trial.
The sentence comes as a decision nears on whether Kosovo gets independence as its 90-percent ethnic Albanian majority wants, or stays formally part of Serbia, as Serbia insists.Proven rapists: the islamic ethnic Albanians.

(1) Kosovo Liberation Army = KLA
(2) The reason the ethnic Albanians (= muslims) of the KLA are "committing inhumane acts" against Roma gypsies, is because their Nazi grandparents did the same before and during WWII. They were part of the SS Hanschar: the islamic nazi brigade. The Ustashi (catholic Croatian nazis) with the help of the Hanschar killed a total of about 2 million Serbs, Roma and Jews. Mostly Serbs, but several tens of thousands of Roma and tens of thousands of Jews.

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslav...ration.htm
The Role of the SS Handschar division in Yugoslavia's Holocaust
SeÃ¡n Mac MathÃºna
which contains this little statement:
QUOTEPresident of Bosnia "recruited" for the SS Handschar Division

Alija Izetbegovic
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEHave you ever wondered why Bosnia never officially accused Croatia of aggression for attacking it as it has done with Yugoslavia? What do Bosnian Moslem's people say about this: "Izetbegovic was Pavelic's soldier in last war !!!"
Comment of a Muslim reader from Bosnia (November 2000)According to one article on the web, Ethnic Conflicts in Civil War in Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic, the current President of Bosnia and Herzegovina, is the person who connects the present and the World War II. During the World War II, he was also linked to the SS Handschar Division. He joined the organization "Young Muslims" in Sarajevo on March 5, 1943, and is alleged to have engaged as a member of the organization in recruiting young Muslims for Handschar Division in collaboration with German intelligence services (ABWER and GESTAPO). Thus, in the spring of 1943, as leader of the Muslim youth in Sarajevo, he welcomed the Nazi collaborator Amin-el Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, to Sarajevo. In 1946, however, he was sentenced by the Yugoslav Supreme Military Court to three years of imprisonment and two years of deprivation of civil rights, because of his fascist activities. What was alleged to be his "criminal record" was published by Russian gazette "Izvestija" on 17th November 1992.
</div>This war criminal, representing the muslims (ethnic Albanians) of Bosnia today, was a nazi. Yet his war crimes are not mentioned, while the media waxes eloquent on non-existing heinous crimes invented for the Serbs.

'Pavelic', mentioned in blue just above, was the leader of the Ustashe. He was to the ustashe, what hitler was to the nazis.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-28-2007, 03:11 PM by Husky.)

My own comments in purple.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/425822/418479
QUOTENato boost troops in Kosovo
Ten dead after ethnic clashes

Mar 19, 2004

Albanians set fire to Serb Orthodox churches in Kosovo as NATO scrambled to deploy up to 1,000 more troops to stifle an explosion of ethnic violence.

A church was torched in the flashpoint town of Mitrovica despite the efforts of French NATO peacekeepers, who fired teargas and rubber bullets to drive off the mob.

Gunshots were heard, but it was not clear where from.

A Serb church and Serb homes were also set ablaze in the central town of Obilic, near the provincial capital Pristina.
(This is ongoing.)

Reports from Obilic said NATO peacekeepers had evacuated about 100 Serbs because it could not guarantee their safety -- as happened on Thursday in the capital, Pristina.

NATO summoned reinforcements after 22 people were killed in the worst ethnic clashes in Kosovo since the allies and the United Nations took control of the province from Serbia in 1999. Some 500 have been injured, of whom 20 were in intensive care.

The new troops will reinforce 17,500 peacekeepers and 9,000 local and international police trying to keep a lid on the province of two million Muslim Albanians demanding independence and 100,000 Serbs, many in enclaves relying on NATO protection.
(In fact, position of Serbians in Kosovo is very much like that of Hindus of Kashmir. They are ethnically cleansed out of the region by regular j-hadi violence of the Albanian islamics. But the international community, thanks to the media and US policy on Serbia and Yugoslavia, only sympathise with the terrorist islamics.)

US soldiers parked eight Humvees across the main road from Pristina to Mitrovica and were checking all travellers as NATO sent 150 more US troops and 80 Italian carabinieri. Britain readied 750 soldiers for Kosovo duty.

In Serbia, the Interior Ministry ordered paramilitary police on the boundary with Kosovo to the highest level of combat readiness, saying "security measures have been strengthened together with other security forces to prevent any spillover".

Serbia appeared to be acting in consultation with NATO. Its chief of staff scheduled a meeting with alliance military attaches and invited the media for a photo call.
(Disingenuous reporting as usual: Serbia has always acted in consultation with NATO. Serbians actually trust them, don't know why, since NATO has let them down so often.)

NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer called on "all parties in Kosovo itself, but also in Belgrade of course, to show the utmost restraint" and prevent any further violence.

Airport closed 

Flights in and out of Kosovo were suspended and internal boundaries with Serbia were closed. Troops of a dozen nations patrolled key areas, some next to gutted Serb buildings.

In a severe blow to international hopes of calm before talks this year or next on Kosovo's future status, the outburst of pent-up ethnic hatred in over a dozen locations suggested that reconciliation between the two communities was years away.

Clashes were reported from Mitrovica in the north to Urosevac in the south and Pec in the west, and UN police and troops were injured in several places, at least three gravely.

The violence triggered angry protests in Serbia's three main cities, where demonstrators stoned and burned mosques and other Islamic buildings. Serbs, whose forces were driven out of Kosovo by NATO in 1999, were furious at their own impotence and what they say is NATO's failure to check Albanian "terrorism".
(So Serbs retaliated for the never-ending terrorist attacks on Serbs and their homes and Orthodox Churches by the islamists.)

UN police and vehicles and NATO troops were attacked and one policeman guarding a building in Pristina was shot in the leg. "People were trapped inside the burning building," UN spokesman Derek Chappell told Reuters. "Police came under repeated gunfire when they tried to rescue them."

Kosovo has been under UN control since NATO bombing forced out Serbian forces in mid-1999, halting Serb repression of Muslim Albanian civilians.
('Serb repression'. The only ones being repressed are the Serbs in their historic homelands. They are oppressed by the islamic j-had that has crept over them steadily since the Serbs made a stand and won against the islamics in the Middle Ages.
Now, what the medieval j-had could not get for the islamics, they could soon be handed on a platter by US foreign policy (and by NATO which is going along): they are considering to make Kosovo independent of Serbia, an islamic pardees for the KLA terrorist islamics. Soon they will operate from there to further bring down the rest of Serbia with.)KLA is like LeT (Lashkar-e-Taiyiba, the Kashmiri terrorists).

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-28-2007, 03:16 PM by Husky.)

Macedonia below is not the Greek Macedonia, but the FYROM: Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia. Its people are Slavic like the rest of Yugoslavia. I believe the capital of this new splinter nation of former Yugoslavia is Skopje, if I recall aright.

The US and NATO purposefully made a huge mistake and realised it back in 2001.
Note how the 'innocent' islamic ethnic Albanians turn out to be terrorists in sheep's clothing. (Surprise, surprise)

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/425822/32277
QUOTENATO strikes at Kosovo gunmen
Mar 9, 2001

US-led peacekeepers drove ethnic Albanian gunmen from a hamlet they had used to attack Macedonia, a step towards halting fresh Balkan violence which has alarmed the international community.

In another blow directed against the gunmen, NATO has agreed to let Serbian security forces into a buffer zone adjoining Kosovo and Macedonia to stop guerrillas in the zone linking up with those harrying Macedonian forces.

Neighbouring Bulgaria also stepped in, promising to send "hundreds of tonnes" of military supplies to help Skopje in its fight against the shadowy group that has threatened to bring a decade of Balkan ethnic conflict to a hitherto peaceful country.

Yugoslav President Vojislav Kostunica accepted NATO's plan to let Serb troops into the zone along the Macedonian border but accused the alliance of leaving Belgrade to pick up the pieces of a problem he said NATO had fomented.
(As always, Serbs have to save the day. They've been doing this since the expansionist islamic j-had of the middle ages.)

Macedonia raised the alarm two weeks ago after a clash between its security forces and ethnic Albanian gunmen who had occupied Tanusevci on the border with majority Albanian Kosovo, under international protection since 1999.

A week later the crisis escalated when three of its troops were killed, two of them by a landmine well inside the country.

NATO, which leads the international peacekeeping force KFOR based over the border in Kosovo, said it would beef up patrols on its side but could not cross over to help.

Gunmen move out 
On Thursday KFOR moved right up to the border, into a part of the village of Tanusevci it called upper Mijak, where it found the gunmen's hastily-abandoned headquarters in a school building well stocked with food and explosives.

"We have just concluded a successful operation by eliminating a safe haven for armed groups here in Kosovo," US Brigadier General Kenneth Quinlan, commander of Kosovo's Multinational Brigade East, said in nearby Debelde.

As far as the confused local Albanians were concerned, the peacekeepers had crossed into Macedonia.

"I don't want to be a citizen of Kosovo. I am a citizen of Macedonia," said 55-year-old villager Bajram Sinani.

Unlike their ethnic kin in Kosovo, most of Macedonia's Albanians feel their future lies in improving their position inside the state, rather than breaking away. But the gunmen could stir a revolt if the violence spreads.
(The ethnic albanian islamics in Macedonia of course don't want to move into Kosovo being prepared specially for them - the Kosovo muslims never moved into Albania either - but want to stay put in Macedonia, so that their numerous islamic offspring can in future claim FYROMacedonia too.)

Macedonian Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski said at first officials thought the Tanusevci group were criminals but then realised it was "more complex".

One soldier told Reuters the Macedonian forces were itching to hit back at the gunmen, who they have had in their sights for weeks, but were held back by the politicians. So far only one of some 200 in the group has been reported killed.
(Must be psecular politicians. Islamic gunmen can do all the damage they want, but Macedonian law enforcement is curbed from fighting back.)

The peacekeepers said they had injured two gunmen on Wednesday after taking control of most of Mijak and had detained seven, of whom two had been freed after checks.

But the skirmishes continued. The Macedonian Defence Ministry said several dozen men had come out of Tanusevci and attacked its watchtower during the night from the direction of Malino to the east. The Macedonian forces returned fire and suffered no casualties.

Mountain borders
Diplomats say the main problem is preventing the guerrillas operating freely across the unmarked mountain borders between Kosovo, Macedonia and southern Serbia.

Three Yugoslav soldiers died on Wednesday north of Presevo in southern Serbia, just outside the buffer zone running from the Macedonian border in the east around Kosovo's boundary with the rest of Yugoslavia.

Barely two years after fighting Yugoslavia to defend ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, the West is this time lining up with Belgrade - under a new, reformist leadership - to limit ethnic Albanian nationalism.
(That's how it always is: international support is for the 'poor innocent victimised' islamic terrorists. Once everyone helps them, they expand their terrorist activities, until even their staunch supporters realise they'll not be sated.)

"France and Germany condemn the extremists' violent action on the northern border with Macedonia and the Presevo valley, which is aimed at destabilising the region," the two countries' foreign ministers said in Paris.

NATO Secretary General George Robertson said a "controlled return" of some Serb forces would be permitted to a zone they were expelled from by NATO when Slobodan Milosevic was in power.
(See, everyone trusts Serb forces. In reality the western powers know they are generally reliable and well-behaved. But since the same powers wanted Yugoslavia broken up, they had to make the Serb forces into monsters in the media so the international viewers would condone the US siding with Croatia and the islamic Albanian terrorists.)

NATO said only police and army border guards would be allowed in, not regular army troops. Kostunica accepted the plan, but accused KFOR of "stimulating instead of curbing" aspirations of a Greater Albania because it was too concerned for its own troops' safety.
(Islamic plans in place: aspirations of Greater Albania. Once they have Kosovo, they will not end their thirst for land, converting kafirs/kafir death.)

"KFOR is abandoning protection of the border and is inviting our army to be in the crossfire," he told a news conference.

Macedonian Prime Minister Ljubco Georgievski said NATO's move showed the gunmen were counterproductive. "It is a good example to the Albanian extremists how they are damaging Albanian interests," he said.

COPYRIGHT REUTERS

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-20-2007, 05:48 PM by Husky.)

Relating to this post and the next:
The future of Kosovo, historic land of the Serbian people, is nearly set. The following is a very bad event, a historic event. It is the triumph of all that is wrong over right.
It is an experiment of the west and an initial try of whether their audacious agenda - to break another nation into pieces and hand them over to whomever they choose - can actually be done without a murmer. Watch and learn.
This model they will use on other countries, as and when they see fit:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070130/wl_nm/...85FheQAbTdn.3QA
(Reuters)
QUOTENATO prepared for north Kosovo "domino effect"
By Matt Robinson
Tue Jan 30, 11:06 AM ET

NATO is prepared for the worst-case scenario of regional violence in the event Serbs in north Kosovo revolt over an imminent decision on the fate of the province, the NATO commander there said on Tuesday.
(Yes, in case the put upon Serbs protest that others are giving their land away to the terrorists who have snuck in.)

The 90-percent ethnic Albanian majority in Kosovo is expected to win some form of independence from Serbia this year.

German Lieutenant-General Roland Kather echoed concerns expressed by analysts that Serbs in the north could revolt, triggering a revival of conflicts in Serbia's Presevo Valley to the east and Macedonia to the south, where Albanians fought government forces in 2001 for greater rights.

"If something happens in the north we will have something like a domino effect," Kather told Reuters. "We'll have the same problems in the Presevo Valley."

He said NATO was monitoring developments in the border regions. Analysts say Albanians there might see a Serb bid to partition Kosovo as cause to resume insurgencies put down by Western diplomacy. Some have ambitions to join a Kosovo state.

U.N. envoy Martti Ahtisaari is due to present his proposal on the fate of Serbia's breakaway province in Belgrade and Pristina on Friday. It comes almost eight years since the United Nations took control of the territory after a NATO air war.

It will in effect say 'Yes' to the Albanian majority's demand for independence from Serbia, but provide the 100,000 remaining Serbs with a degree of autonomy likely to arouse Albanian suspicion of further interference from Belgrade.

Extremists on both sides could find cause to revolt.

Kather said contingency plans for dealing with mass violence and a refugee exodus were in place, but he expected neither. Isolated acts of violence were more likely. Though quiet, he said, "the situation is not stable and is unpredictable."

Kather, 57, said the north, where Serbs form the majority and are threatening their own secession, would have his "special attention." The NATO-led Kosovo force (KFOR) reopened its northern base last year, "to have a better presence ... for whatever might come up," he said.

Kosovo has been run by the United Nations since 1999, when NATO bombs drove out Serb forces accused of killing Albanian civilians in a two-year counter-insurgency war. The conflicts in Macedonia and the Presevo Valley were widely seen as a spillover, as the Albanian minorities pushed for greater rights.

HIGH EXPECTATIONS
Kather said the situation in Macedonia, where the former guerrillas are seething at being frozen out of government for the first time since the war, was increasingly difficult.

"We watch very closely what is going on in particular with the Albanian population in the northern part of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. There are links with Kosovo that have always been. So we monitor the situation but we don't have any indicators that there will be any violence."

KFOR operations would focus on "the center and the eastern parts of Kosovo where we have these small, medium and large (Serb) enclaves," he said.

Kather heads 16,500 soldiers in Kosovo from 36 nations, down from 50,000 in 1999 when NATO deployed after bombing for 78 days to drive out forces under late strongman Slobodan Milosevic.

Kosovo's future was thrust back into the spotlight in 2004 when Albanian mobs overran NATO-guarded Serb enclaves and burned hundreds of homes and churches.

KFOR has revamped its command and control structure and got rid of most of the restrictions imposed by contributing nations, blamed for its slow and ineffective response to the violence.

After a year of fruitless Serb-Albanian talks, Ahtisaari has drafted his blueprint, which diplomats say could be voted on at the U.N. Security Council toward the middle of the year.

The West favors a resolution that would remove Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo, allow it to declare independence and open the way to recognition by individual states, with the United States among the first in line.

But Russia is skeptical, according to diplomats, and has asked for a delay until Serbia forms a new government after an inconclusive general election in January.

Kather urged a quick decision. "To do my job, just for the security reasons, we need that decision as soon as possible, because the expectations are high," he said.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 03-01-2007, 12:49 PM by Husky.)

Very important news.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3950299a12.html
QUOTEKosovo says yes to UN plan, Serbia says no
Reuters | Saturday, 3 February 2007

BELGRADE/PRISTINA: UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari has unveiled a plan to set Serbia's Kosovo province on a path to independence, an outcome which Kosovo's majority Albanians quickly applauded but Belgrade rejected.

Ahtisaari's proposal did not mention "independence" or address the loss of Serbia's sovereignty over the territory, where 90 per cent of the people are ethnic Albanian. But both sides said this was clearly what it implied.

The poor landlocked province of two million borders Albania and is cherished by Serbs as the medieval homeland of their nation. Its status is one of the last unresolved problems from the wars that tore apart the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

"Kosovo will be sovereign like all other countries," said Kosovo president Fatmir Sejdiu after meeting Ahtisaari in Kosovo's capital Pristina.
(Yes, islamic majority declares ancestral Serb land as their own, as 'independent'.)

Prime Minister Agim Ceku, a former guerrilla in the 1998-99 Kosovo Liberation Army which fought the forces of the late Serb leader Slobodan Milosevic, said the document "is very clear for Kosovo's future". The process will end "when Kosovo becomes an independent state." His cabinet threw a cocktail party.
(These are the people that the west honours: terrorist guerillas who have no right to the land, but have usurped it and instead of being reprimanded for this, are recognised as leaders and accorded land by the US & NATO - the US & NATO, which don't even own Yugoslavia to be able to decide its fate!)

After a meeting in Serbia, President Boris Tadic agreed the plan "opens up the possibility of independence". But Tadic said he told the envoy: "Serbia and I as its president will never accept the independence of Kosovo."

Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica has condemned Ahtisaari for "anti-Serb bias", and took the lead in rejecting his plan in advance, refusing even to meet the envoy yesterday.

Ahtisaari's plan gives Kosovo access to international bodies usually reserved for sovereign states and allows it to use its own flag and anthem. The Serb minority would have broad self-government.
(Yes, in an islamic Kosovo, the Serb minority will be granted the same rights as the Hindu minority of Pakistan: violent death or dhimmitude and kidnapping of women children. Look how sneakily the west recognises Kosovo as islamic and as independent: they allow the islamics their own flag and anthem, and 'access to international bodies usually reserved for sovereign states'.
Is the US okay with people stealing others' historic land because Americans stole America from native Americans? Has someone studied this American psychology?)

"The settlement provides for an international representative to supervise the implementation," Ahtisaari told a news conference. The Nato-led peace force "will continue to provide a safe and secure environment ... as long as necessary".

It includes measures to "promote sustainable economic development including Kosovo's ability to apply for membership in international financial institutions", he added.

Ahtisaari declined several opportunities to address the issue of Kosovo's ultimate status, saying this would be settled by the UN Security Council once he formally presented his plan, following a last round of consultations.
(Lots of goodies for emerging islamic terrorist state: recognition, help in economic development, security, blablabla. If Europe is swallowed by islam, let them thank NATO and the US for it. Islamic Kosovo will be opening doors for islam's entry into Europe. The islamic KLA terrorist cell regularly gets reinforcements from Iran and - you guessed it - Terroristan.)

He said the diametrically opposed positions of the Serbs and Kosovo Albanians were "extremely fixed". He was allowing them "one more chance" to agree but was "not terribly optimistic".

"That might require so much time that I don't think I have enough years in my life to achieve that," said the 69-year-old.

Invitations would be sent for further talks starting on February 13 and it would be up to Serbian and Kosovo Albanian leaders to decide whether to turn up. The former Finnish president mediated months of largely fruitless talks in 2006.

There was no point in waiting for a new government to be formed following Serbia's inconclusive election last month, he said. "Whether it's now or a little bit later, the same people would be on either side of the table."

Ahtisaari said he hoped to send the final plan to the UN Security Council by the end of March.

The European Union urged both sides to respond "positively and constructively" to Ahtisaari's proposals. The US State Department said the proposal "is fair and balanced. It is a blueprint for a stable, prosperous and multi-ethnic Kosovo".
(And there's an end to the debate. They've decided Kosovo - Serb land - will go to Albanians who have taken over the land and whine saying they are majority and living there and deserve it.)

Kosovo has been run by the UN since 1999 when Nato bombing forced Milosevic to withdraw troops accused of killing 10,000 Albanians during a counter-insurgency war. About 100,000 ethnic Serbs remain. Some predict violence and secession, and both Nato and the UN mission have made contingency plans for a crisis.

"There is nothing more we can do," said Kosovo Serb accountant Milica Knezevic, "there's no life for us here."

Ahtisaari said in Pristina that the Contact Group guiding diplomacy on Kosovo - the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Russia - would not accept the partition of Kosovo, which would entail slicing off the mainly Serb north.

Serb premier Kostunica said the envoy's proposals were "illegitimate". He is urging all parties in the next government to solemnly pledge to cut Serb ties with any country recognising Kosovo's independence, including major Western powers.
I'll never recognise Kosovo as a place separate from Serbia or as an islamic independent nation. It is Serb land. And there's an end to it.

02-20-2007, 05:40 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/stor...6404418,00.html
QUOTERussia Warns Against Kosovo Independence
Friday February 9, 2007 1:46 PM

By PAUL AMES

Associated Press Writer

SEVILLE, Spain (AP) - Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov issued a strong warning Friday that granting independence to Kosovo could spark a ``chain reaction'' among other breakaway regions in Europe and the former Soviet Union.

Ivanov spoke before holding planned talks with his NATO counterparts, who have backed a plan drawn up by U.N. envoy Martti Ahtisaari proposing internationally supervised statehood for the separatist Serbian province.

Russia has long expressed reservations about Kosovo's separatist aspirations, and Ivanov's comments underscored differences between Russia and the West. The issue of Kosovo's status will be discussed next month at the U.N. Security Council.

``If we imagine a situation where Kosovo achieves independence, then other people, people living in regions that are not recognized, will ask us: ``are we not as good as them?'' Ivanov told reporters. 

``This concerns obviously the post-Soviet space, but also regions in Europe,'' he said. ``This can create a chain reaction ... we must be careful not to open Pandora's box.''
(Good question Ivanov is asking. But he doesn't realise that this is precisely the intention of the west in what's happening in Kosovo. Kosovo is an experiment, an example model for others and the first in a string of planned seccessions. Besides, America wants Russia to break up more.
However, it also applies to non-European countries.)

Ivanov spoke after a meeting with German Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung, who restated Western support for Ahtisaari's recommendations and said NATO and Russia should work together to persuade the Serbs and Kosovo's ethnic Albanian majority to ``accept this proposal in the interest of a peaceful and stable development.''

Jung also rejected Serb requests for a delay in talks on the plan. ``I would wish that the Security Council can vote on this in March, and vote positively,'' he said.

Moscow has often warned that Kosovo's status will serve as precedent for other nations with similar cases, including several breakaway provinces in the ex-Soviet Union. The Kremlin has hinted that, were Kosovo to gain independence, two pro-Russian rebel regions in Georgia and a breakaway province in Moldova, which enjoy Moscow's tacit support, could follow suit.
(Which is exactly the plan.)

Serbian officials also have warned that an independent Kosovo could also serve as a precedent for independence movements elsewhere, notably in Spain's Basque Country or Catalonia.

Kosovo has been under U.N. and NATO administration since a 78-day NATO-led air war that halted a Serb crackdown on ethnic Albanian separatists in 1999.

Ethnic Albanians, who make up 90 percent of Kosovo's 2 million people, are seeking independence from Belgrade. But Serbia and Kosovo's Serb minority say the province is the heart of Serbia's ancient homeland and should remain within its borders.

In his talks with NATO, Ivanov was also expected to raise Russian concern over U.S. plans to place missile defense sites in Poland and the Czech Republic. Moscow has disputed U.S. assurances that the installations would be meant to deal with a potential threat from Iran and not pose any threat to Russia.

Ivanov offered Russian support for NATO's efforts to stabilize Afghanistan, but ruled out sending any troops to the country, where the Soviet Union lost around 15,000 troops in the 1980s.

``Russia is ready to help in any way possible, with the exception of sending troops to Afghanistan,'' he said.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 03-01-2007, 12:50 PM by Husky.)

No matter what they get, the islamics are never happy and will even turn on the very people who steal others' cake to give it to them:

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411319/985624
QUOTEScores injured in Kosovo clashes
Feb 11, 2007 

UN police in Kosovo fired teargas and rubber bullets during clashes on Saturday with ethnic Albanians protesting against a UN plan they say falls short of full independence from Serbia.

Hospital officials said they had treated 70 people, including four who were seriously wounded.

Fourteen people were arrested as Kosovo and UN riot police advanced on hundreds of demonstrators who were hurling stones and bottles.

The clashes, a repeat of riots in November, underscored Western fears of what the United States described last week as a possible "breakdown in order" if a decision on the Albanian majority's demand for independence does not come soon.
(Moral: if islamics riot and destroy, the west will give them their way.)

A UN plan unveiled this month would, if adopted by the UN Security Council, set the territory on the path to statehood, eight years after NATO bombs drove out Serb forces and the United Nations took control.

But some among Kosovo's 90-percent ethnic Albanian majority are angry at the plan's provisions for a powerful European overseer and self-government for the 100,000 remaining Serbs.
(Yes, we know, the islamic Albanians want the remaining Serbs dead or out of Kosovo.)

The protesters called for an independence referendum and rejected talks with Serbia, which in 1998-99 killed 10,000 Albanians and expelled 800,000 in a two-year war with rebels.

"Freedom does not come in packages," they chanted, in reference to the plan drafted by former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari following months of Serb-Albanian talks in 2006.

Kosovo Albanian leaders condemned the violence. "We said there was no reason to protest, because the process is going in the right direction," said a government spokeswoman.
(Translation: "shut up you ignorants and don't spoil it now, we are getting what we want. Once we get it, we will chase out the remaining Serbians and then start infiltrating neighbouring Macedonia and the rest of Serbia.")

West vs. Russia
Serbia opposes the amputation of its medieval heartland, but the Albanians living there reject any return to Serb rule and are impatient to end eight years of UN-imposed limbo.
(Why don't Albanians move back to Albania?)

Washington and the European Union back Ahtisaari's blueprint and hope the UN Security Council will adopt it by June.

UN veto holder Russia, however, repeated on Saturday that it would only back a solution that was also acceptable to fellow-Orthodox nation Serbia.
(At least Russia is loyal to Serbia. Wait, it always was. Vague recollections of history. Last time Russia supported Serbia in an important case - to do with Austro-Hungarian crown prince Franz Ferdinand's assassination - the result was a war that became a World War: WWI. )

"If we see that one of the parties is not happy with the proposed solution, we should not support that decision," Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a conference in Munich.

Ahtisaari has invited Serbia and the Kosovo Albanians to a final round of talks in Vienna from February 21 and hopes to present the plan to the UN Security Council in late March.

The West has already delayed the process twice to avoid radicalising Serbia. Ahtisaari said on Friday he saw no chance of the two sides agreeing, "even if I negotiated all my life".

NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer warned against security gaps in Kosovo during a sensitive transfer of policing tasks this year.

The United Nations has been reducing its UNMIK police force in Kosovo which is due to be replaced later this year by EU police. Several NATO nations also want to start winding down the alliance's separate 16,000-plus peace force there.

"It is important that under all circumstances there should be an adequate police force, be it UNMIK or part of the EU mission," de Hoop Scheffer told a small group of reporters on the margins of a security conference in Munich.

"It is important we don't see gaps. Because if there were gaps, that would immediately have consequences for KFOR," he said of the NATO Kosovo Force (KFOR).

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-21-2007, 05:50 AM by Husky.)

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070203/2/12amc.html
QUOTEThursday February 15, 10:01 AM
Serb parties close ranks on Kosovo
All main Serbian political parties have closed ranks behind a parliamentary resolution opposing what looks like an inevitable march to independence this year by the breakaway province of Kosovo.

The first session of parliament after elections last month easily adopted the motion, which rejects a plan by UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari giving Kosovo a form of independence under European Union supervision.

The resolution, endorsed by 225 deputies in the 250-seat parliament, said Serbia rejected all aspects of the plan "which violate the sovereignty and territorial integrity" of the country.

"We must defend Kosovo and we'll defend it in talks as long as there is any sense in talking," said Tomislav Nikolic, deputy head of the ultranationalist Radical Party, Serbia's strongest.

But analysts said the motion was simply a device to ensure all parties took responsibility for the impending loss of a province that is steeped in Serb history but has long been home to an ethnic Albanian majority demanding to be free of Belgrade.
(This is very sad news.)

Parliament also mandated a negotiating team for a last round of UN-mediated talks with Kosovo Albanian leaders next week in Vienna, although no breakthrough is expected there.

Kosovo's two million Albanians - 90 per cent of its population - have demanded their own state since 1999, when NATO bombing drove out the forces of late Serb autocrat Slobodan Milosevic, who were accused of ethnic cleansing in a battle against separatist guerrillas. The UN has run the province since then.

"This is not the Serbia of Milosevic," said Bozidar Djelic, prime ministerial candidate of the Democratic Party in coalition negotiations that could still take weeks to complete.

"We want Serbia to be part of the European Union, part of the world. But we cannot do anything else but defend the unity of our motherland, in particular Kosovo."

The resolution said "imposed independence" for Kosovo would have unforeseeable consequences, destabilise the region and "represent an exceptionally dangerous precedent for resolving minority issues and territorial disputes" worldwide.

Ahtisaari expects Kosovo to declare independence later this year, in late August or September. "I don't have a date in mind, but I do think things will go very quickly," he told French newspaper Le Monde last Friday.

He is giving Serb and Kosovo Albanian leaders until March 10 to find some common ground before a final meeting in Vienna, after which his proposals will go to the UN Security Council.

Former US ambassador to Serbia William Montgomery says Serbian leaders trying to "save" Kosovo believe they must remain united, in a bid to ensure Russian support and win a Moscow veto of any independence resolution at the United Nations.

Wednesday's resolution can "lock virtually all parties into the process", Montgomery wrote in a weekend editorial. Serbian pragmatists could be labelled traitors if they subsequently refused to support a hardline reaction, he said.May Serbia retain Kosovo. And would that the islamic terrorists move into their islamic pardees of Albania where they are originally from anyway.
Poor Albania though, it used to be christian (scary missionary Mother Teresa's homeland) and, before that, pagan.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 03-01-2007, 12:51 PM by Husky.)

Please start reading from post 7 - all of the posts from post 7 onwards lead up to this.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070219/2/12h5x.html
QUOTETuesday February 20, 09:23 AM
Explosion damages UN vehicles in Kosovo
An explosion has damaged three UN vehicles in Kosovo's capital, police say, causing no injuries but raising tensions amid ongoing negotiations on the disputed province's future.

A police source said it appeared an explosive device had been placed under one of the cars.

NATO-led peacekeepers sealed the blast area in downtown Pristina and were investigating the explosion, which also damaged a civilian vehicle, police spokesman Veton Elshani said.

Elshani said the UN mission in Kosovo was the likely target of the blast.

The blast followed 10 days after two people were killed in clashes between police and ethnic Albanian protesters who were objecting to a UN proposal for Kosovo's final status.

Ethnic Albanian leaders, who are insisting on full independence, and Serbian officials, who demand the province remain within Serb borders, planned to meet Wednesday in Vienna, Austria, for a final round of negotiations on Kosovo's future.

It would be their last chance to influence the UN plan on Kosovo, which currently proposes granting Kosovo internationally supervised statehood.

The province has been a UN protectorate since 1999, when NATO bombing stopped a Serb military crackdown on ethnic Albanian separatists. Nearly 10,000 ethnic Albanians were killed and almost a million fled their homes. About 1,000 Serbs were killed in revenge attacks by Kosovo Albanians.Islamic tactics again. How to get what you want: whine, riot, blow things (if not people) up to get your way. And then still whine, still riot and still destroy to make sure you get it the way you want, when you want, how much you want, etc.

**Hauma Hamiddha** · 02-20-2007, 10:00 PM

A real question needing careful study is why did the US support so many Islamic terror movements, which eventually came back to haunt them. Even after 9/11 they have not exactly stopped, but gone after fake targets like Eye-rak, and ended up helping the Islamics even more. Eye-rak has now moved from a secular dictatorship to a Mullocracy.
Moslem terrorist movements aided by US:

Pakistanis/Kashmiris against India
Chechnya against Russia
Albanian/Bosnian terrorists against Serbia
Taliban/Mujahiddeen against Russia
Saudi Arabia/UAE in general
Perhaps Indonesia.
Pakistanis against Bangladeshi Hindus

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-28-2007, 03:40 AM by Husky.)

QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Feb 20 2007, 10:00 PM)A real question needing careful study is why did the US support so many Islamic terror movements, which eventually came back to haunt them. Even after 9/11 they have not exactly stopped, but gone after fake targets like Eye-rak, and ended up helping the Islamics even more. Eye-rak has now moved from a secular dictatorship to a Mullocracy.
Moslem terrorist movements aided by US:

(1) Pakistanis/Kashmiris against India
(2) Chechnya against Russia
(3) Albanian/Bosnian terrorists against Serbia
(4) Taliban/Mujahiddeen against Russia
(5) Saudi Arabia/UAE in general
(6) Perhaps Indonesia.
(7) Pakistanis against Bangladeshi Hindus
[right][snapback]64745[/snapback][/right]HH,
I've numbered your points above.
Not a careful study, but IMO:

As a small note, one also needs to understand the mentality of the US. Being a really young country, it is like a child with newfound power over the elders (other countries in the world which actually have a long, established history). It wants to be all-powerful and remain all-powerful. It rewards those countries who helped it and will ever remember which countries opposed it and wants some kind of revenge on them. Russia, India, Serbia

In most cases above, the US is for breakup. Breakup of India, Russia, Serbia covers (1)-(4). (4) is also the Cold war fight of US against its nemesis, the communist Soviet Union. The situation of Serbia is complex, there are additional reasons US has to breakup Serbia, which I will get to at the end. Reason for (7) is US' childish mentality:
- petty revenge on Hindus (India) for being on Russia's side ('neutral') in Cold war. Hence the general view of the US government that 'Indians are b......s anyway' as famously voiced back then. And
- supporting their allies Pukestanis who chose friendship with the US, so America allowed murder of Hindus in Bangladesh.

(6) Indonesia: Do you mean why they supported islamic Indonesia over East Timor though the last is christian?
QUOTEAccording to (Noam) Chomsky, propaganda is to a democracy, what violence is to a dictatorship. As we do not live in a police state, certain empowered interests need to control what we think in order to manufacture our consent. The public are thus reduced to mass apathy, living in a matrix of "tangled webs of deceit".

In Chomsky's propaganda model, a small concentration of corporations (the "Elites") determine, shape, and control the flow of information to the public. These organizations also set national and international agendum, indoctrinating us into neutral, positive, and negative blood baths. For example, as Chomsky observes, during the late 1970s two genocides were occurring: One led by Pol Pot in Cambodia, the other by the Indonesian Government in East Timor. Pol Pot was a communist, but the Indonesians were US allies (and also held vast oil reserves). During 1975-1978, the NY Times devoted only 70 inches of column space to East Timor, yet devoted a whopping 1,175 inches of column space to Cambodia.So, the reason for supporting Indonesia over their christian converts in East Timor: oil. (So much for christian solidarity, no one cares about converts except when these puppets can be used to implement western plans.)
Probably the same reason guides US support for (5) Saudi Arabia/UAE?

A final factor is that Islam is a destabilising mechanism. Islam's centres of action are in Asia (Indonesia covers Australia, Australia regularly fears Indonesian islamic terrorist groups) and in the Middle-East where it is precariously situated between two continents: Europe and Africa.
So Islam gives US leverage over 4 continents: Europe (via Serbia's Kosovo), Asia including Russia (via Pakistan and Afghanistan and Chechnya), and Indonesia would keep Asia as well as Pacific in check, Africa's vast resources can be extracted at a much cheaper rate by funding wars of local Africans against islamis.
By supporting islam, the US is basically working to destabilise any countries that might rise on their own.
South and Central America is all that remains, but it's well-documented how the US has supported multiple bloody, genocidal dictatorships there. These dictatorships meant that the US could have its will carried out in S and C America. So all bases covered.
>> Except China. It crushes islamic insurgency. It cares nothing for a PC reputation. America is unable to do anything about it. Neither slapping sanctions, nor threatening to rake up its human rights record nor whining about religious freedoms makes China do anything.

Back to Serbia:
Reasons why US supports islamics AND Croatians in Serbia is manifold.
(1) Entry of destabilising islam into Europe. Europeans have written about how they fear US support for Albanians is essentially US trying to destabilise Europe in the long-term. They are right.
(2) Breakup of socialist Serbia which would not align with the west. It often refused, they're adamant and want to be ruled by their own government instead of a puppet government the US would set up.
(3) Another important reason is alluded to in
The Vatican's Complicity in Genocide in Fascist Croatia - The Suppressed Chapter of Holocaust History
QUOTEThe role of the U.S. and British governments in protecting and employing Nazi and fascist mass murderers will also probably not be fully disclosed or incorporated into history books in our lifetimes
[...]
What then are the political reasons for the systematic and deliberate suppression of the history of the Holocaust in Croatia? There are several, and they are all connected to vital geo-political considerations of the leading Western powers. One is the leading role that Croatian fascist war criminals played in establishing the "ratline" escape routes of European fascism after the war and their enormous contributions to U.S. and British intelligence agencies during the Cold War. Another was the American and British governments' refusal to return for trial and punishment to post-war Yugoslavia Croatian war criminals in particular, thus violating the Moscow Declaration of 1943 in which they had sworn to do so. Still another was the long range goal of U.S. and Western imperialism to partition and destroy Communist Yugoslavia, a plan which depended on the support of the thousands of escaped Croatian fascists subsidized by the U.S. for decades in anticipation of this long sought goal.(7) The need to suppress such information from the public and from political discourse is obvious: a self-proclaimed moral superiority based on genocide is a fraud the whole world can see.(Yugoslavia is no longer communist, its government has been close to the European-'socialist' model for a long time.)

You see, not just many Nazis, but also many Croatian nazis (the catholic Ustashe) helped the US government. Many nazis have been in the US government or were hired to work for US intelligence. There's many books about this, including a book by John Loftus, I think his name was, and The Real Odessa too I believe. Yupp, see here: The Unholy Trinity by Mark Aarons and John Loftus.

In any case, the US promised to help the Croatian Ustashe; after all, it served US purposes. That is why during the first Balkan war of the 90s, the US was arming and training and equipping the Croatian nazis who had returned from their overseas hideouts to brainwash and lead a new generation of Croatians to massacre the Serbs (in eerily similar manner to how the Ustashe of the nazi era descended upon Serb villages and mutilated and killed the Serb population). The US was also helping the islamaniacs who were reliving their nazi hanschar days too, because again, the islamaniacs would help in bringing down Serbia.

The US also wanted to return the Vatican favour for helping in the fight against communism (see The Vatican's Complicity again), and since the Vatican wants nothing better than ending Orthodoxy (starting in Serbia; Russia is more out of reach) which it failed to do in WWII, the result was the US support for the catholic side (Croatia) and utter suppression of the Orthodox Serbs (both militarily and via media) in the first Balkan war.
The Vatican and the remaining Ustashe mentality, islamaniacs and the US all want breakup of Serbia; and stealing Kosovo which is such a symbol of the Serbian nation is the cherry on the cake for all.

So helping their former helpers (as they had long ago promised) is America's other motive, coinciding as it does with its own wishes for Yugoslavia, and Serbia in particular.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/preface.html I think has informative articles.

ramana · 02-22-2007, 10:19 AM

Husky take a look at this.

Interesting article

The Straight Story On Yugoslavia

On manufacturing consent.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 02-28-2007, 03:50 PM by Husky.)

Thanks. In the Unmasking AIT thread or elsewhere, I wrote down my suspicion that Francisco Gil-White (author of the article 'The Straight Story On Yugoslavia' to which you have linked) is an associate of Jared Israel or otherwise connected to Jared Israel's site Emperor's Clothes.
Even on the matter of Yugoslavia, they have the same opinions, views and more curiously have knowledge of the exact same facts. More certain than ever that there's a connection between the two sites (Gil-White's site and Emperor's Clothes).

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/preface.html that I mentioned at the end of post 17 is mainly attributed to Petar Makara (who is Serbian). He's also among the contributors of Emperor's Clothes.

ADDED:
Earlier on I had glanced over the section where Francisco Gil-White (FGW) says how he learnt about the other side of the Yugoslavian situation from Emperor's Clothes. (It wasn't as interesting as the rest of the article.) Have read that bit properly now.
This could also explain why the two sites have the same view on many topics: FGW probably perused a large part of Emperor's Clothes (EC), and accepted much of what was stated in EC.

02-26-2007, 09:16 PM

Al Quaeda Infiltration and Atrocities in Bosnia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx-REROXvtg

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