Blast In Mumbai's Suburban Train

07-13-2006, 01:07 PM

QUOTENo, I still say it's time for far more organised and effective methods. And time for deniability. And trust me, Hindu methods are more intelligent, more effective and more permanent than anything the Islamics can cook up.

Not sure what you mean? A method to eradicate Islam has to be practical enough to be replicated in cities, and villages across the country, and can be implemented with the availabe weapons. 1947 Punjab States is the only model I can see, except mass exodus. What method are you refering to?

Foreign troop intervention in a country of 1 billion with thr 4th largest military, and nuclear weapons is no child's play. I don't see any coalition of the willing ready to intervene? Do you believe that the West will be so stupid that they will send India into the arms of Russia and China? Again, a policy for Hindu defence based on the approval of foreign people is a recipe for disaster.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 01:27 PM by Husky.)

QUOTEa counter terror international as mentioned in post 98
I thought 98 talked about a Hindu Counter Terror Organisation? Not an international one? And not a governmental one that could turn traitor any moment.

QUOTEI would prefer the second of the following outcomes:

1) There used to be a country called India, where there lived a gentle people called Hindus, who were destroyed by the fanatical Muslims.

2) There is a country called India, where a people called Hindus reside, who are idealistic, but equally ruthless against their enemies.So would I. But I believe counter-terrorism will be far more effective than Hindus who will riot one day and go back to suicidal Gandhian non-violence the next.

QUOTE<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEthe p-sec media and global Christian "human rights for all (except the pagans)" will be over us in no time and the world's readership will turn their easily manipulated sentiments to the side of the Islamist crowd.
The world is not going to come and save us just like they didn't save the Hindus of Pakistan or Afghanistan, and they are not lifting a finger for the Hindus of Bangladesh or Kashmir.</div>The world was never going to save us. But if they don't know what we're doing (like China - which is silently wiping off the Islam clinging to its shoe), they can't interfere either.
Trust me, foreign interference will end India as a Hindu nation. They're just waiting for it and precipitating it. Why do you think the Godhra incident was heralded, repeated (Rinse, repeat) ad nauseum in the news and constantly used as a reminder? Why do you think that Indology has suddenly become so important in the US universities, why they put so much effort into denigrating Hinduism, into ensuring that the BJP is seen as a terrorist organisation by RISA or whatever? Why do you think that so many Indology-related articles in Wikipedia are edited by the IER and RISA people (besides the others that Islamic dawagandists are writing)? Any Indians thinking the Indologists are motivated by a feeling of European supremacy are being naive. Europe's far-off past doesn't matters for them, when they are now among the wealthier countries of the world. Why is Indology not fueled by an honest search for the true history of India? Why are archaeologists like James Schaffer shot down for their conclusions? The answer is not that Indologists are in it for European glory. Although that seems the initial conclusion.

Why does any news on terrorism in India constantly bring in the mosque destruction in Ayodhya?

See the bigger picture.
They don't care when Hindus are the targets, they don't really care if Muslims get killed either. They just want our nation to split up into smaller fragments that can be more easily controlled. This is not just Islam I am speaking of, but another antagonist: US and Europe.
Russia is being deterred from becoming a superpower by isolating it from its former allies (Czech republic before, Georgia later, recently Ukraine, even Belarussia now). Watch the news. Other methods are being used on China: everyone knew that China was using death-row prisoners for transplant body parts since at least a decade. It's only now that the news has bothered to report on it.
In the case of India, supporting Islam is seen as a destabilising force. That is why Sanskrit depts in the US support Islamic viewpoints all the time when it comes to Indian history. This, communism and Christianity are meant to fragment the country. About Christianity, notice how many South American countries are starting to evict US missionaries for being spies?
This is much bigger than you think. India is just a small piece of the whole problem for the west, particularly the US.

QUOTEWe will become hated like the IsraelisWe are already hated a lot, thanks to the pervasive Islamic dawaganda.

The west wants to keep the status quo and stay in power. It's inevitable that either Russia, China and/or India should come up (simple case of mathematics: birth rates, economics, population sizes, industrial expansion).
Indology depts are set up by the US government. They don't care about history, they care about the present and the future. The west wants to make sure only they stay on top in the future. In short, they want the power equation to remain the same as it is today.

07-13-2006, 01:56 PM

How would a Hindu Counter Terror operate? What would be the methods of training, recruiting, and targeting? How would they prevent themselves from being penetrated?
Who would they target?

I think the threat of foreign intervention is exagerrated at best, and parnoia at worst. Which nation has the capability or the will (both of leadership and populace) to intervene in an Indian civil war. Yes I am aware of RISA, IER, and Indologists, but it is one thing to change the pages of Wikipedia, and quite another to convice their population and leadership to go to war.
The alliance between Islam and Leftist is not new, nor is it unique to India. If we have to deal with RISA, IER, AID, ... the West has to deal with MoveOn, Socialists, CAIR, and many other groups too. There are leftists in other countries who demonize people that speak out against Islam. Here is an intersting article:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/06/...revenge-of.html

As far as the coverage on post Godhra or Ayodhya is concerned, the Western press takes its cue from the Indian press, and repeats what the latter says. The Western press stopped covering the Gujarat riots after the first few weeks; it is only the Indian press who are continuing it ad nauseum. Also, one more phenomenon is the dhimmitude of media in general, which shows a pro-muslim bias in every event. That too is not limited to coverage of Hindu-Muslim situation, you can see this bias in Israeli-Palestinian, Serb-Muslim, Russian-Chechnya, and America-Iraq situations (remember the Abu Garaib and Guantanamo prisons being compared to concentration camps?)

The Islamic propaganda is nothing new, and it is carried out against India, Russia, Israel, America, and many other countries and peoples.

Whether Russia gets its former allies on its side is irrelevant, its main hurdle to becoming a super power is its economy.

There was a lot of hue and cry about China "stealing" the body parts in the mid 90's too, but that is part of the game. If you want China to give you some concessions in trade negotiations, then you raise the human rights bogey. That's business as usual, not a signal that someone is going to take some armed action against China.

QUOTE About Christianity, notice how many South American countries are starting to evict US missionaries for being spies?
Precisely, they are taking bold action because they know that US is not going to retaliate against them.

The point is China has killed millions of people (including muslims), but no one will risk their own cities for Uigur (Turkic) Muslims. Same with Russia wiping out 10% of Chechen Muslims. This paralysing fear of fragmentation, and chaining unconnected events are unjustified.

07-13-2006, 02:13 PM

QUOTEThe west wants to keep the status quo and stay in power. It's inevitable that either Russia, China and/or India should come up (simple case of mathematics: birth rates, economics, population sizes, industrial expansion).
Indology depts are set up by the US government. They don't care about history, they care about the present and the future. The west wants to make sure only they stay on top in the future. In short, they want the power equation to remain the same as it is today.

That may be true, but what they want does not always happen. Birth rates in the West are falling, and the population overall is aging, industrial base is shifting to the East, populations of India and China are already large, while Russia is in a demographic decline. India and China will share more of the economic pie, but not enough to threaten the West. If anything the low cost labor in the East has raised the living standards in the West (the Walmart effect).

Here is a report called Foresight 2020 with concrete figures:
http://www.eiu.com/site_info.asp?info_name..._Foresight_2020

Indology departments are set up by their respective universities, public and private. The public universities are funded by the government, but the likes of Harvard are not. They have demonized and denigrated Hinduism for 150 years, but they haven't succeeded in wiping out our religion.

Again how will our actions against Muslims change any of this? The only country that is even capable of intervening has no capability (spare troops, logistics, money) to undertake that kind of a massive intervention, or backing from its people already weary of Iraq.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 02:35 PM by Husky.)

Well, read the example case of Yugoslavia here:
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...st=0#entry53621
The US used the media to show massacres of ethnic Albanians by Serbs (later shown to be false) to precipitate their intervention in Yugoslavia.

It shows how the US used the internal dissension between groups (Croatians who are Catholic, Albanian Muslims and Serbians who are Orthodox who have bad blood between them since the former 2 massacred the latter during WWII) to break Yugoslavia. (Helps to get closer to the oil, since the uncooperative Serbs didn't give the US access before, but now the US can get through Croatia and Bosniac which is terrorised by Islam).
The international media blitz on the demonised Serbs allowed them to get viewers' consent to 'intervene' in Yugoslavia.
They armed and trained the Croatians and Albanians, both of whom had been part of the Nazi side during WWII.

Several news sources (not AAP or Reuters) regularly wrote about how the CIA set up fronts in Eastern-Europe. Many Eastern-European demonstrations against pro-Russian governments that one sees on the news (Ukraine, Georgia, now Belarus) turn out to be manufactured. The pro-European government that is elected is often due to an entirely rigged election, as many Eastern-Europeans have complained (see anti-war). Even the heads of the elected pro-European governments (I think this was in Georgia?) said that they did nothing to get elected and that the US had intervened to make them win. So they felt there should be a re-election.

Now the funny thing is that in Belarus, the recent election worked out correctly with a pro-Russian government winning legally. Then, not long after, the tv news shows how "protesters" are saying this legitimate election was rigged and want a re-election.

07-13-2006, 03:23 PM

Yes I know all about the break up of Yugoslavia. But look at the history of that country, it was put to gather by the victors of WWI, that too after so much ethnic conflict going back to 19th century and before. Under the Nazis the Croatians took active part in the genocide of the Serbs. Then it came under Tito, who kept this country together through his autocratic rule. And following the death of Tito, the old divisions flared up again. This event coincided with the reunification of Germany, which was the first one along with other Europeans to recognize the secession of Slovenia, and Croatia. The presence of distinct autonomous republics with genocidal ethnic hatred, and religious one on top of that is not to be found in India.
The conflict in India will take the form of a civil war, not a clear cut secession. Another factor that was present in Yugoslavia was that Serbia was the only constituent which was interested in keeping the country together. But a war against a common Islamic enemy will be a uniting factor for the majority across different regions. Nor is India dependent on a foreign power, like Serbia was, to take care of its defence. So, the scope of intervention is much less.

I also know about the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Rose Revolution in Georgia, and the Tulip Revolution in Krygystan, as well as, the move to oust Lukashenko in Belarus. That is the geopolitical game being played to checkmate Russia and oust the former communist bosses.

How is that relevant to the situation in India? If the government does not have the means to stop civil strife, what would the West do, bring in the other coalition through revolution?

07-13-2006, 04:28 PM

QUOTEMulayam comes out in defence of SIMI
CNN-IBN
Posted Thursday , July 13, 2006 at 15:53

Lucknow: Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mulayam Singh Yadav on Thursday said his government had no evidence that the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) was active in his state.

He also told reporters in Lucknow that it was too early to say whether SIMI had any role to play in the 7/11 Mumbai blasts.

"Now that the authorities are looking for the perpetrators of the Mumbai blasts, they are obviously going to probe everywhere," he said.

Mulayam was simply reiterating what he had told the Centre in June 2005.

However, there is speculation that Mulayam's statements are nothing more than vote bank politics coming to the fore with the elections approaching.

Also Mulayam Singh has always protected the unlawful body despite the fact that his own intelligence and security agencies have hinted at the fact that SIMI might be involved in the Shramjeevi Express blasts that took place soon after the attack on the disputed site in Ayodhaya and more recently, the Varanasi blasts. 

SIMI was banned in 2001 under the provisions of Unlawful Activities (prevention) Act 1967.

07-13-2006, 06:26 PM

Mumbai Bombings - Indian Prime Minister in Denial

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The day after the serial bomb blasts in commuter trains in Mumbai, the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh addressed the nation on the state owned public broadcaster Doordarshan. Dr. Manmohan Singh talked about trauma of terrorism, called the incidents an hour of grief, and paid tribute to all those who showed courage and humanism. He praised the resilience and resolve of the people and called the terrorists merchants of death and destruction. Dr. Singh's address had more rhetoric on how India stands tall and how the terrorists will not win. Lasting a little less than 3 minutes, the address goes to highlight once again the abject state of denial in which the Manmohan Singh Government finds itself in.

To begin with in his entire address Dr. Singh makes no mention, none whatsoever about what is the nature of the terrorism India is now facing. Dr. Singh displays his mental state of denial by not even acknwoledging what is the problem of terrorism India is facing. Dr. Singh is in complete denial about this new brand of terrorism that has started to show its face over the last six months beginning with the New Delhi bomb blasts, followed by the Varnasi Bomb blasts and the terrorist attacks on RSS in Nagpur and IISC in Bangalore. Dr. Singh neither showed the courage nor the intellectual clarity in his address to the nation, to call out this new form of terror for what it is and. That it is no longer about Kashmir, it is no longer about Maoist revolution but a new brand of Islamic Terrorism with no apparent political objectives but with the clear anarchist aim of destabilizing our democracy and striking at the way of life. This is the state of denial mindset with which the chief executive of the nation is operating.

Secondly nothing in the entire address gives the people of India the confidence that there will not be another 7-11. For that matter nothing in Dr. Singh's address explaining why tomorrow would be any different. The resilience and resolve of the people of India notwithstanding, Dr. Singh offers nothing by way of explaining how or why the evil designs of the terrorists will be defeated. This resilience and resolve did not deter them from executing 7-11 nor did this resilience and resolve did not defeat the Delhi blasts on the eve of Diwali. Dr. Singh talks about the terrorists not understanding Indians, maybe not, but they have quite well understood the lax attitude of the Indian State to acting on terrorism. Indians stood United when Akshardham happened, Indians stood United when Ayodhya was attacked, Indians stood united when Varnasi was attacked, but despite that Dr. Singh the Terrorists won on 7-11, when with no fear of consequence, they struck with impunity at the heart of Indian prosperity. Dr. Singh is in complete denial in recognizing that all that is good and great about the Indian People is no guarantee of victory against this brand of terrorism.

Thirdly Dr. Singh is in complete denial about the role of the Indian State in dealing with terrorism. He has words of praise for the police and security forces in responding to the tragedy. But Dr. Singh has nothing to say about how his Government intends to pre-empt terrorism. Dr. Singh's state of denial on how to respond to terror is amplified when he waxes eloquently on how India cannot be cowed down by terrorism and that the Indian state will win the war on terrorism, but stops short offering a new bold path to confront this brand of terror. He talks about doing what it takes to deal with this challenge but stops short of either acknwoledging the nature of the challenge or how he intends to deal with the challenge.

Here is what Offstumped expects an Indian Prime Minister to have said in the aftermath of an incident of this nature. The Indian Prime Minister should have first demonstrated the integrity and the courage to look the Indian People in the Eye and honestly squared with them on the nature of the challenge. The Indian Prime Minister should then have emphasized the seriousness with which his Government veiws the challenge. The Indian Prime Minister should have made the case for why the people of India should view this challenge with the same degree of seriousness. The Indian Prime Minister should have reminded the Indian People why there should be no room for complacency or false comfort, and that Islamic Terrorism is a real and serious threat, and why neither the Indian State nor the Indian People must not lower their guard and must be vigilant. Then the Indian Prime Minister should have laid out the moral guiding philosophy with which he intends to confront this brand of terrorism. The Indian Prime Minister should have used this philosophy to make clear what Zero Tolerance to this brand of terrorism means and what he really means by "whatever it takes". The Indian Prime Minister should have made it explicit that there will be no qualifications, no safe havens and no politics in how his Government intends to confront terrorism. The Indian Prime Minister should have then made clear the concrete steps his Government intends to take at the International, Federal and Local Levels to secure the nation, hunt down the terrorists and their sponsors. He should have instilled the fear of god in those who dream of wreaking havoc by explaining the force with which his Government intends to take to advance the frontlines in this battle against Terrorism to the doorstep of the Terrorists , wherever they maybe. Finally, The Prime Minister should have made absolutely clear in no uncertain terms to those who sponsor terror and provide safe havens to terrorists that a line had been crossed and there will be consequences to pay and that the Indian State would not rest till the sponsors and the safe havens have been eliminated.

By not bringing this boldness, this moral and intellectual clarity and force of intentions,by not laying down the line and not staking either his personal or his Government's future to the success on this war on terrorism, Dr. Singh has given those who perpetrated the terror and those who sponsored it, ample reason to be satisified with not just the mayhem in Mumbai but the confidence that there will be no adverse consequences to their actions. Dr. Singh has given them the confidence that India can be pushed around for no Indian Prime Minister will ever have the moral courage to shy away from Political Correctness and stake his credibility in taking this brand of Terrorism head on and not resting until the job is done.

This was to be expected from the Congress lead UPA Government with its dependence on the Prakash Karat led CPI-M for survival. However the response of the Indian Right the BJP, RSS has been pathetic. Rather than elevate the political debate on how the Indian State should respond to Terrorism, all we hear are cheap political points. If the BJP is to be taken seriously as the natural party of the Right it should have come out with a philosophical position and a policy prescription that goes beyond an anti-terrorism legislation and explained what it would have done different to prevent another 7-11 from occuring. If the boldest and brightest anti-terrorism idea to emerge from the Indian Right is just a new Law, then it is no wonder that the Terrorist and their Sponsors feel so emboldened. The people expect much more from the principal opposition, they deserve much more.

Offstumped Bottomline: This new brand of Islamic Terrorism in India is a serious problem. The Government of the day must in its words and actions acknowledge its seriousness and demonstrate its seriousness in pre-empting it. The Indian Prime Minister and his Government are in a state of denial. By not setting out clear goals and the end-game in this fight against terror, they have only emboldened the terrorists. If the only insurance the Indian Government can offer against futute terror attacks is the resilience and Unity of the Indian People, then there is a serious doubt as to the future security of the Indian State.

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Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 07:08 PM by Husky.)

Post 164:
QUOTEHow is that relevant to the situation in India? If the government does not have the means to stop civil strife, what would the West do, bring in the other coalition through revolution?What makes you think the west wants to end the strife in India, when destabilisation of the Indian subcontinent is what they are after? Why did the US airlift Tban members into Kashmir immediately after the US' recent 'war on terror' in Afghanistan? The media advertised that the US army had 'flushed the terrorists out'. No, they merely helped their old friends the Tban pursue their interests in India.
See: How American Special Forces organised the evacuation of Al Qaeda and Pakistan ISI Forces to Kashmir (article originally from The New Yorker, 2002):QUOTEIn interviews, however, American intelligence officials and high-ranking military officers said that Pakistanis were indeed flown to safety, in a series of nighttime airlifts that were approved by the Bush Administration. The Americans also said that what was supposed to be a limited evacuation apparently slipped out of control, and, as an unintended consequence, an unknown number of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters managed to join in the exodus.the Administration ordered the United States Central Command to set up a special air corridor to help insure the safety of the Pakistani rescue flights from Kunduz to the northwest corner of Pakistan... [According to] anÂ Indian assessment, thirtythree hundred prisoners surrendered...Â A few hundred Taliban were also turned over to other tribal leaders... That left between four and five thousand men unaccounted for. "Where are the balance?" ... None of the American intelligence officials I spoke with were able to say with certainty how many Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters were flown to safety, or may have escaped from Kunduz by other means.Â India, wary of antagonizing the Bush Administration, chose not to denounce the airlift at the time....Diplomatic notes protesting the airlift were sent to Britain and the United States. Neither responded... Indian intelligence was convinced that many of the airlifted fighters would soon be infiltrated into Kashmir. There was a precedent for this... Our reading is that the fighters can go only to Kashmir." 
The relevance of mentioning other countries and their situations, is that India's current situation is part of a bigger game too, and it's one that's not played out entirely in India. Our problems (with Islam, Nagaland, communist centres east & south, dead missionaries) are theirs for taking advantage of and they are taking advantage.

Else, even when the so-called war on terror is on, why does the western media only report on the Islamic losses in Godhra? They do have access to reports that showcase the real situation and their journalists know Islam has never played fair in the Indian subcontinent either (just like many journalists knew about the true situation in Serbia yet wrote articles on how Serbia was to blame for many fictional atrocities). They know that much of the media in India is communist-school. But yet the west presents to their readership only the one-sided tale, blown completely out of proportion into a sob-story of an "Evil Hindu genocide of innocent Muslims in Godhra". What the?

Why do you think the west openly supported the current blatant communist take-over of Nepal, knowing that it could well lead to a possible genocide? Even something smaller like the previous attack in Kashmir that got 35 or so killed - it first got reported as a terrorist attack and then quickly got changed to blame the Indian Army. Not all the journalists in the west are as ignorant as they pretend. They are writing their biased stories for a reason.

The goal is to destabilise the region. Their governments want it.
The Islamic terrorists in India and Pak are just doing their own thing (Jihad), but this happens to coincide with what the west wants: further destabilisation. Hence their giving a totally different spin on Godhra, playing down the recent Kashmir attacks, supporting Nepal's downfall (now it will spin into further destabilisation and become a 5th pillar - no longer allied neighbour), constant sympathetic reports on the "much put-upon the poor Christian Nagas kept from independence by evil Hindu-majority India" - forgetting to add how viciously militant these converts are to the unconverted Hindus among them.
I'm waiting to see how this thing in Mumbai turns out. If they can't spin it because the facts are too strong, the western media will drop the news item altogether as soon as possible.

QUOTEUkraine... Georgia... Kyrgystan... That is the geopolitical game being played to checkmate Russia and oust the former communist bosses. Yes, that's the plan to keep Russia tight (also helps with the route to the oil). There's a different plan to put pressure on China. And the deal is different again in India, because all our situations are different.
My point in bringing up Eastern-European election interventions was to highlight how much more power the US and other vested interests have in elections than the actual citizens of E-Europe themselves. The US has great leverage with their meddling from a distance.

The lack of general knowledge amongst non-Indians about India's internal affairs (like with Yugoslavia), can also be taken advantage of by the media. The media is the West's way to get their public to assent to any foreign military intervention.
They've already written a few news articles and books skewing the facts on the Ayodhya incident, they've created the notion of a Saffron threat, they've recreated the actual BJP as a new menace. Rinse and repeat. Set up of a supposedly 'fair and indifferent' research group for the region that pretends to investigate the terrorist groups active in 'South Asia' which cleverly includes actual ones from Pakistan and Kashmir, next to adding the RSS and VHP to the list (which have nothing to do with terrorism).

The reason I brought up Yugoslavia was to showcase how the media was used by the US to make the world think the Serbs were these evil people practising systematic rape and creating mass graves of their victims (all of which turned out to be false). With that, the media ensured the US had the backing of American citizens for US intervention in Yugoslavia. And as the articles in the thread I created show, America did not intervene to end the Bosnian war - it merely pretended to do so, all the whilst arming and training the Croatians and Albanian Islamists to massacre the Serbs and keeping the bloodshed going.
The facts were very the opposite to what the US media and its copyists in local newspapers around the world were distributing.
I was actually feeling sorry for the Albanians during the Kosovo war, that's how powerful the media blitz was. Later I found out that the Albanian political leader is a former Nazi from Yugoslavia's Islamic Nazi unit. The media basically murdered Serbia's reputation. And it's going to be incredibly hard to restore it.
And Bosnia is in a sorry state now. There's still barely any stability in the region.

The US has a reason to meddle in India: it has always said that it wants to break up India now that Russia has broken up. If it will serve the purpose, they will also use the media to skew India's predicament.
We're not far off from Yugoslavia's situation. What with Hindus wanting the country to stay one, the Islamics as usual greedy for genociding Hindus, the Christians in the NE wanting to split from India and the possible beginnings of a split being created in the South in Tamil Nadu/Kerala and/or Andhra under YSR.
All these aspects of India put it in a very precarious situation. They are very easy to take advantage of and to manipulate in order to ensure the region is in a constant destabilised state. And that's what the US is doing. Pumping in the Tban rejects into Kashmir to pursue the destabilising agenda of Mughalistan in India was just one small step.

Husky · (This post was last modified: 07-13-2006, 07:06 PM by Husky.)

Post 159:
QUOTEAgain, a policy for Hindu defence based on the approval of foreign people is a recipe for disaster.You don't get what I'm saying. I've been repeatedly making the point that we'll never have media (local or international) approval for dealing with Islamic terrorists regardless of how we handled the problem. That's if we acted publicly (as with inefficient riots) - in which case, other countries are going to project us as the villains (and the terrorists as innocent civilians) and that might have unexpected consequences.

That's why we shouldn't act publicly.
If we did have a non-govt counter-terrorism organisation, say composed of former intel officers and army-personnel with expertise in this field, then they could track down terrorists and just quietly flush them out (our disinterested govt never will). That way the media will never know. Obviously the media doesn't know where the terrorists were hiding and will not now know they went missing. And the Indian population won't miss them either and Shabana Azmi can't admit her terrorist friends just went missing.

Post 154:
This is what I wrote in post 149
QUOTEIslam will inevitably implode eventually (it was manufactured with an expiry date) that even the Faithful can not prevent. But I say: we shouldn't stick around and wait to see it happen. Why not speed nature along? Call it India's latest contribution to humanity.I think it speaks for itself.

07-13-2006, 08:58 PM

abek posted this

http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/Zakirterrorism.htm

07-13-2006, 09:18 PM

SIMI not terrorist outfit: Samajwadi Party
Press Trust of India
Lucknow, July 13, 2006
www.hindustantimes.com/ne...030007.htm

I was watching TV; one Muslim belonging to SIMI claimed Varanasi attack was orchestrated by Bajrang Dal. Hindus came with fake beard wearing Kuta and Pajama. SIMI Muslims had no connection with Mumbai and Varanasi attack.
I was happy to see such morons are now able to say crap in front of everyone, I hope it will enlighten some sleeping mind.
Lying and denying is very natural for Muslims.

07-13-2006, 10:11 PM

India names suspects in train attacks QUOTEThe government's Anti-Terror Squad released photos of two young, bearded men it identified as Sayyad Zabiuddin and Zulfeqar Fayyaz. Their nationalities were not provided.

It also was not clear where the photos â headshots which appeared to have been taken for identification documents â originated

Hahahha

More than 48 hrs and no clue about explosive or trigger device???????
Whom they are protecting??????

07-13-2006, 10:19 PM

India has shown patience; it's up to Pakistan now

This is phase II of Pakistan's proxy war against India

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My gift to Indian politicians.

Anyone here good in graphic, I want to see spineless in bridal attire.

07-13-2006, 10:43 PM

Mumbai blasts: Cops nab 2 Pakistanis in KathmanduQUOTENepalese police have arrested two Pakistanis in connection with the seizure of 16 kg of RDX in Kathmandu and were investigating whether the duo had any link with the Mumbai train blasts, which claimed over 200 lives.

Aftar Moiddin Siddiqui and Gulam Hussain Cheema were arrested from a five-star hotel in the outskirts of Kathmandu on Wednesday night, Superintendent of Police at the Kathmandu District Police Office, Dhak Bahadur Pun, said on Thursday.

They were arrested in connection with the seizure of 16 kilograms of RDX way back in April 2001 from a Pakistani diplomat, who was staying at a house rented by Cheema in Kathmandu, the police official said.

I don't understand what is the connection between them and Mumbai blast.

UPA is again ignoring real fact, they should raid Biwandi and UP not nepal.

07-13-2006, 11:27 PM

Absolutely right Chitraji. But thats the case for the entire nation ! We are all heartless and all we care about is money !! Its your brother who died - not mine - so I dont care. The stock market went up 316 pts - now thats more important. See ???

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/12firda...?q=np&file=.htm

QUOTEChitra believes Mumbai has turned into a heartless city. "No one bothers about the dead. All they care about is money. In two days, people are back to work. The dead have been forgotten. On Tuesday, it was my brother. Next time, it will be someone else."

07-13-2006, 11:59 PM

Media and government had made Indian public mentally numb.
I think something is wrong with society; it is not coward ness but paralysis of emotion and expectation. Is this a sign of decay?

Is there any term for such condition?
Or should we name it as Indian- politician Indefinite sucker syndrome (I-PISS).

07-14-2006, 12:04 AM

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Image released by Indian Police today of a man identified as Sayyad Zabiuddin. Indian authorities named two men as the first suspects in this week's train bombings.

Indian police is clueless or coverup.
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07-14-2006, 12:07 AM

Pakistan hand in Mumbai blasts, sources sayQUOTEExclusive information available with NDTV indicates that National Security Advisor told Cabinet Ministers that Pakistan's involvement was definite
Now what. Another meeting with chai, samosa and pasta.
Sonia Gandhi political advisor is Gujarati Muslim, Do you think anything will happen?

QUOTECCTVs have been installed at Churchgate, Dadar, Mumbai Central and Bandra stations.
Now they will get images of bombers.

07-14-2006, 01:23 AM

QUOTESIMI ally is Congress poll partner 
Pioneer.com
Sidharth Mishra | New Delhi
The sudden awakening of the Union Government to the threat posed by the Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) is like eating crow. The Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) Government had initially allowed the ban imposed on the alleged subversive organisation to lapse. In its enthusiasm to discredit the steps taken by the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) to curb terrorism as being anti-minority, the Congress had also entered into an alliance with the alleged allies of SIMI for electoral gains.

According to the latest issue of Milli Gazette, an organ of fundamentalist Islamic forces, the Congress-led Government is making preposterous allegations against SIMI in the face of its widespread criticism for the failure to counter growing terror attacks.

To quote from the full page article titled, There is no case against SIMI, it said: "No specific incidents of any crimes have been cited though numerous organisations have been named in the notification (banning SIMI) claiming that SIMI is involved with them or functioning through them in a pseudonymous fashion. Most of such organisations either do not exist and if they do, they have not been banned... Some of them are respectable organisations such as Tamil Nadu Muslim Munetra Khazhagam (TMMK), which took part in the electoral process as alliance partner in the Democratic Progressive Alliance of which DMK and Congress in Tamil Nadu are partners."

The article goes on to add that the leaders of the TMMK have access to Congress leadership including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. "The president of TMMK also met the Prime Minister of India Dr Manmohan Singh on 6th December 2004 as a leader of delegation from Tamil Nadu," says the article, claiming that the ban imposed on SIMI was unjustified especially in view of the fact that there were no fresh evidences against the organisation in post-September, 28, 2005 period when the ban imposed by the NDA Government was allowed to lapse by the Manmohan Singh Government.

"In the background note to the ban (imposed by the UPA Government) not a single instance of any activity of any sort has been mentioned for the period 28.9.2005 to 7.2.2006," states the article criticising the haphazard notification issued by the UPA Government, which was more of a knee-jerk reaction to the growing influence of the SIMI beyond the Vindhyas into States of Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu and Kerala.

SIMI was banned for the first time on September 27, 2001 immediately after the bombing of the twin-towers in New York. Though Shahid Badr Falahi, the president of SIMI was arrested and faced prosecution, the general secretary and mastermind Safdar Nagori has managed to evade arrest all these years. The ban was followed by a crackdown on the SIMI cadres with the subversive organisation's activists being booked under various anti-terror acts. 

The ban was renewed in September 2003 and on both the occasions upheld by the Tribunal. According to SIMI's own admission, this period of ban (between 2001 to 2005) led to demoralisation of cadres. "Members were demoralised, accounts frozen, offices sealed and of course no person would be willing to take up membership of SIMI fearing harassment and prosecution by the Government," says the article.

The question is did the UPA's go-soft policy allow the SIMI cadres to regroup in the space of five months between September 2005 and February 2006 and perpetrate terror in the form it was witnessed in Mumbai on 11/7?

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