Blast In Mumbai's Suburban Train

07-14-2006, 04:27 AM

QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Jul 14 2006, 04:12 AM)Jay Shastri

Read this

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060712/india_markets.html?.v=16

Just good infosys earnings are enough. Make no mistake, hindus are apathetic, heartless and use big words like 'resilience' to hide their cowardice. We live in a democracy and the democratic 'leaders' dont see any need to cater to the fictitious 'hearts' of Indians that you refer to. They know --> all I have to give these buggers is a few good earnings numbers and they dont care. Just watch - bombayites will put up self-congratulatory postors in no time praising how they dont care about the blasts and how they started living the same lives they were living the day before. The excuse is "you cant let the terrorists win". Cant you see ? The terrorists HAVE WON. A resounding victory at that. India that big nation with big population cant do jack after we killed so many. All they will do is look for a man in burqa..
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We have same facts infront of us, your conclusions are diffrent then mine. I don't agree indians are heartless. I know it cause i am one of them.

07-14-2006, 04:36 AM

And now, predictably, the Psy-Ops against BJP has started.
From M J Akbar's Asian Age:
QUOTEModi heads for Mumbai 7/14/2006 12:40:08 AM
- By Sanjay Basak

New Delhi, July 13: The BJP will be sending its Hindutva face, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, to Mumbai to participate in a two-day nationwide campaign against terrorism. Leader of the Opposition L.K. Advani will tour Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh while party chief Rajnath Singh will be in Nagpur for the campaign. The two-day campaign will be on July 15-16.

However, the party has so far kept BJP general secretary Arun Jaitley and its Muslim face, Mr Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi, out of the much-publicised campaign against terrorism. While most of the BJP heavyweights are being sent to various parts of the country, the party high command has not yet included either Mr Jaitley or Mr Naqvi. a senior party functionary said, "Mr Jaitley has himself opted out due to health reasons and Mr Naqvi is already preoccupied with his programme in Moradabad and Rampur." However, sources disclosed that both these leaders "are not in the good books of party chief Rajnath Singh".

The BJP, which has stepped up attack against the Centre for being "soft" on terrorism, has decided that Mr Modi, with his hardcore Hindutva image, would be the "best bet" to consolidate its Hindutva vote bank in Maharashtra. Incidentally, the decision to dispatch Mr Modi was taken in consultation with the Shiv Sena. The RSS also indicated that the Maharashtra was "ripe" for the "use of leaders like Mr Modi", a senior party functionary said.

The functionary also talked of Mr Modiâs "huge fan following" In Mumbai. He recalled that after the Gujarat riots, when Mr Modi addressed a rally at Mumbai, the "turnout was mammoth". 

Only 24 hours ago, Mr Advani tried to toe a soft line by saying that this was "not the time to criticise" the Centre. However, Mr Advani stood somewhat isolated as the BJP adopted a resolution asking the Centre to either "govern or get out". The party has now decided to play its "hardcore Hindutva card" in Maharashtra. Both the BJP and Shiv Sena were voted out from Maharashtra during the Assembly elections in 2000. (and that has what relevance in 2006, exactly?)

Over the past few months, the BJP, under Mr Rajnath Singh, has been trying to get back to the Hindutva bandwagon, which was virtually abandoned by Mr Advani. He had to quit his post as party president after he "crossed the Lakshman rekha by calling Jinnah secular", the BJP functionary recalled. The BJP, which has been holding the organisation Studentsâ Islamic Movement of India (Simi) responsible for the terrorist activities in the country (unfairly, no doubt), described Uttar Pradesh chief minister Mulayam Singh Yadavâs reported move to set free jailed Simi activists an "electoral stunt".

BJP spokesman Prakash Javdekar demanded "hot pursuit" of terrorists in the wake of the blasts in Mumbai. He defined "hot pursuit" as a "full-scale war" against terrorism. However, he was vague about the NDAâs decision to release terrorist Masood Azhar after the Kandahar hijack.

The lesson is this, before we criticize foreign media for Psy-Ops, we have a lot of internal house-cleaning to do. The whole Indian Media (with a few exceptions) is a den of traitorous snakes.

07-14-2006, 04:47 AM

This is disgusting !!

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/14train...?q=tp&file=.htm

QUOTEMeeting for the first time after Tuesday's deadly attacks, the Cabinet observed a two-minute silence and passed a resolution, affirming that terrorists and their acts 'will never be allowed' to check the country's march to economic growth and prosperity.

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Jay Shastri,

No. You are definitely seeing some other facts then I am seeing.

07-14-2006, 04:58 AM

QUOTE(Reggie @ Jul 14 2006, 02:53 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEI think the government should issue strong statements. send representatives among people and have people rally behind the cause. people are fragmented and scared right now. manmohan and his people should engage with India population before making any move themselves. they must garner public support. generate patriotic fervour and than take strong actions.

STATEMENTS: That the GOI will do? But what kind of statements? MMS has already issued statements applauding the Mumbaikars resilience and that India's keens are unbendable.

SEND REPRESENTATIVS..RALLY BEHIND CAUSE: What cause? That India is faced with the threat of terrorism; that India will not bend; that I am sending the reps to...for what?

PEOPLE BEING FRAGMENTED... ETC. ETC. What EXACT strong actions do you suggest GOI/MMS should take? Be specific!

As I have said before, India is badly boxed-in with no viable implementable action plan it can work with.
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statements that "either u are with us or against us(already used but message is clear)" any one who helps or is sympathetic to terrorist would not be tolerated, this includes media,politicians etc. absolutely no stament that would make acts of terrorist sound any way logical. sounds simple and done. but the chalange is in keeping the massage clear and say it agian and again like a mantra to indians, to outsiders, to everyone.

send representatives in Muslims areas. in area sympathetic to paki. talk to them hear their complains, make them feel they are part of India not pakistan. increase interaction between moderate muslims who want to live in secular country with the rest of the country. segregate hardliner Muslims. We must tnot aspire to eradicate all muslims. We must aspire to separate hardliners from genuine Muslims. We must stop the cause of terrorist from becoming the cause of muslims. This is possible.

Send representatives to diffrent countries asking their support to fight terrorirism. not just verbal. but take action plan with them. to tell the countries this is how they could help us. from lebonon to nepal ask them are you with the bombers or with us. if you are with us say eg, make a statement on your TV saying that the terrorist who bomb mumbai are inhumane child killers etc. dosen't matter if people believe this or not, but we must engage with other countries. send representatives on TV talk show to appeal to the citizens all around the word that india is fighting war of good against evil all should support india. you can't get help if you don't ask.

07-14-2006, 05:10 AM

Al-Qaida Claims It Has Kashmir Network

By MUJTABA ALI AHMAD

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SRINAGAR, India (AP) -- A man claiming to represent al-Qaida in Kashmir said the terror network had set up a wing in Kashmir and appealed to Indian Muslims to take up jihad, an Indian news agency reported Thursday. An official said the government said it was taking the claim "very seriously."

The man, who identified himself as Abu al-Hadeed, told Kashmir's Current News Service that "who so ever has carried out the attacks in Bombay we express our gratitude and happiness."

QUOTE"We appeal to Muslims in India to fight for freedom and Islam and choose jihad as their way to achieve freedom and establishing Islamic ways," al-Hadeed was quoted as saying. He added the Bombay bombings "are a reaction to what is happening to the minorities, especially Muslims in India."

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Al-Hadeed identified the network's Kashmir leader as Abu Abdul Rehman al-Ansari. Both names are Arabic, not Urdu, the language spoken by most of Muslims in India and Pakistan.

Current News said al-Hadeed spoke in Urdu. But he reportedly said: "Henceforth our statements will be in Arabic."

Bharatvarsh · (This post was last modified: 07-14-2006, 05:30 AM by Bharatvarsh.)

QUOTE'Congrats' calls expose Pak, Bangla link

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...748774.cms
Now if beggardesh is involved what excuse do we have not to retaliate, ok Pakis have nukes bla bla bla so our hands are tied (let's assume that) but if beggardesh is involved tell me exactly what is preventing us from invading and massacring a few ummahwallah's like Israel is doing in Lebanon?

A massacre of about 1000 of these vermin would be good (that is the minimum requirement), preferably the BD army recruits and then impose Indian rule on it as a colony (no integration since these vermin will flood India) and place the ruling power in the hands of the Hindu-Buddhist population.

07-14-2006, 06:06 AM

QUOTEsend representatives in Muslims areas. in area sympathetic to paki. talk to them hear their complains, make them feel they are part of India not pakistan. increase interaction between moderate muslims who want to live in secular country with the rest of the country. segregate hardliner Muslims. We must tnot aspire to eradicate all muslims. We must aspire to separate hardliners from genuine Muslims. We must stop the cause of terrorist from becoming the cause of muslims. This is possible. 
Why we have to tell, don't they know in which country they are sitting or born in. Why appeasement? This behind licking by few, is main cause of terrorism in India against Hindus.

Why when Hindus reaction after Godhra killing is consider bad, why no one suggested we should sent people to talk to Hindus.

If IM consider close to Saudi or Pakistan or Bangaldesh, they must go there, who is stopping them? Let them go.

I think you failed to understand Pan-Islamic agenda. Policy should be, shrink Pan-Islamic area only to Rawalpindi HQ.

07-14-2006, 06:09 AM

This is what passes for our strategic thinking. Can somebody please ask this moron the position of the US v/s India in the global strategic community ? It is not for nothing that the US is the sole superpower and India has to literally beg for SC seat (vo nahin UNSG chalegaa). Wonder what this idiots strategic 'thinking' was when India did Pokhran2 ??

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/arti...742921.cms

QUOTEWhile we are all focused on the immediate damage caused by the heinous attacks on the suburban trains in Mumbai, it is important to know that the intention of terrorists is to create secondary consequences.

The primary consequences are the death of about 200 passengers, approximately 800 injuries, decline in household income of several of the affected families and destruction of the properties of the railways. But terrorists are not interested in the primary damage.

Their interest is to cause secondary damage. In this case, the objective seems to be to undermine business confidence and weaken the social fabric. Whether the terrorists succeed in their objective of delivering the secondary consequences depends on how the state and the society respond.

Let me illustrate this with the example of the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington DC. The primary damage was about 3,000 deaths and economic losses of a few hundred million dollars. The secondary damage was $500bn.

Thus, the US and the global economy suffered the heavy secondary consequences because of the way the US reacted. In the case of Mumbai, if we make a conscious effort to prevent any kind of communal problems and to prevent any kind of breakdown of confidence in the business environment, the terrorists will fail in their main objective.

Bharatvarsh · 07-14-2006, 06:19 AM

With retards like these it's no wonder that India is kicked around like a football, these people have a sick mindset, to them everything good in life is money and economy, nothing more is needed, if pakis want to rape their mothers and wives they will allow it if they get paid enough.

07-14-2006, 06:21 AM

rajesh_g,
I have sent my peace of mind to ET.
This time it was not there family member.

Bharatvarsh,
Foreign connection is an excuse to not to take any action against to real culprits who are sitting inside country and who fund election.
And to divert attention or anger towards outside.
They have seen anger and reaction after Godhra. In Godhra they could not blame outsiders.

Bharatvarsh · 07-14-2006, 06:27 AM

Meanwhile the usual suspects are back with their peace marches, look at the picture:

Link
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I don't know how to post images, can anyone do the job and post this picture here for me.

07-14-2006, 06:30 AM

No strategic thinking this... Nothing but intellectualizing violence. Let's see how many more strains, themes - old and new, of intellectualizing comes off the slick lips of [fill in the blanks].

Rest assured, nothing happens. Back to our favorite pastime, proving our secular credentials to the entire world. <!--emo&

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07-14-2006, 06:34 AM

See how low these moron can go
Pak hand, says NSA; Arjun, Antulay have a different takeQUOTENEW DELHI, JULY 13:At a Cabinet discussion on the Governmentâs response to the terror attacks in Mumbai, while National Security Advisor M K Narayanan pointed a finger at Pakistan, two Ministers tried to make the point that it was routine for Hindu groups to blame Muslims for acts of violence.

HRD Minister Arjun Singh, sources said, quoted a retired Maharashtra judge as having alleged that the attempted attack on RSS headquarters in Nagpur was a frame-up by the Sangh itself. And Minority Affairs Minister A R Antulay cited reports that a mystery blast in Maharashtraâs Nanded in April was orchestrated by Hindus posing as Muslims.

Sources said this prompted Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to urge the Ministers to refrain from raising âdivisive issuesâ in the Cabinet before bringing them to his attention. 

Now you know how low Arjun and Antulay can go. And Spineless reaction is not a surprise.

Bharatvarsh · 07-14-2006, 06:50 AM

QUOTEBharatvarsh,
Foreign connection is an excuse to not to take any action against to real culprits who are sitting inside country and who fund election.
And to divert attention or anger towards outside.
They have seen anger and reaction after Godhra. In Godhra they could not blame outsiders. 
Well what exactly can India do internally, we can bring back POTA and enforce the ban on SIMI in real life, nothing more than that is possible, if we are a democracy then we can't do anything to IM's even if they hold unpatriotic opinions, only as long as they are directly involved can we prosecute these particular people, otherwise there is no use, nextly say we prosecute these SIMI wallah's, what is the maximum they will get, a few years in prison and we have 200 dead, so our reaction will get nothing more than a few arrests and no deaths, by the time the courts reach a verdict neither you, nor I nor the victims will be alive and probably neither will the perpetrators be alive (all of us dead of old age). Instead of doing that, let us retaliate with something substantial, if they give us 200 dead we have to give them atleast a 1000 dead, we can do that if we just massacre a thousand of BD vermin, it's simply a matter of doing something that will put some fear into them instead of sitting around smoking beedis, drinking chai and eating paan. What is the use in having all this money on defense and a large military if we are never going to use it for anything, we might as well disband it and start spinning charkhas and it's not like BD hasn't provoked us in the past (remember the death of 16 BSF jawans).

07-14-2006, 07:07 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Jul 14 2006, 06:06 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEsend representatives in Muslims areas. in area sympathetic to paki. talk to them hear their complains, make them feel they are part of India not pakistan. increase interaction between moderate muslims who want to live in secular country with the rest of the country. segregate hardliner Muslims. We must tnot aspire to eradicate all muslims. We must aspire to separate hardliners from genuine Muslims. We must stop the cause of terrorist from becoming the cause of muslims. This is possible. 
Why we have to tell, don't they know in which country they are sitting or born in. Why appeasement? This behind licking by few, is main cause of terrorism in India against Hindus.

Why when Hindus reaction after Godhra killing is consider bad, why no one suggested we should sent people to talk to Hindus.

If IM consider close to Saudi or Pakistan or Bangaldesh, they must go there, who is stopping them? Let them go.

I think you failed to understand Pan-Islamic agenda. Policy should be, shrink Pan-Islamic area only to Rawalpindi HQ.
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talk to muslims to convince them. not to flatter them. but to have them understand us better. waht history or 'facts' you may know for sure they may not. the history and truth most of them know is what they hear from their maulvies in mosques. i don't suggest going to them and say, "please, please don't kill us, please like us" but i suggest to understand their wrong notions of history and facts and have intelectuals hlep them saperate facts from propaganda when it comes to hindus and india.
eg. most muslims don't know why bangladesh was saperated from Pakistan
most muslims don't know around 1943 muslims of Ayodhya had already signed to give the controll of the land to hindus willingly.

when something is stuck in the jam it is not always wise to yank it and break it to free it.

07-14-2006, 07:17 AM

QUOTE(Manu @ Jul 14 2006, 04:36 AM)The lesson is this, before we criticize foreign media for Psy-Ops, we have a lot of internal house-cleaning to do. The whole Indian Media (with a few exceptions) is a den of traitorous snakes.
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That is sad but very true. ex director of IB Maloy K Dhar would agree in his 'folcrum of evil'. i for one believe significant burden of lack of sprit and direction in the indian population is because of the bolywood movies and other public messaging systems. I feel the general attitude due to this may not be that to wake up and see the evident danger of terrorism but to stay suspended in the wet dreams of wealth and glamour that our Bollywood movies are inducing in our people. People in India are made motivated to get the car that sharukh
drives in a certain movie, or the house that Saif Ali stays in or the
'women friends' that Ritik Roshan keeps in his movies. Unfortunately
our mainstream media (music, tv and film) is not currently able to
inspire our nation to tackle the urgent and pressing issue that India
faces but is providing our population sedatives to forget those
problems. And are giving them unrealistic dreams and aspirations.

But ofcource this does not mean indians are heartless or gready, but it means we have a possible source of the problem that must be solved. how? stop watching and make your friends not watch pro paki movies eg veer zara(yes any movie that shows pakis as our frieds is pro paki). Stop listening and make your friends not listen to pakis singers like nusrat Fateh ali. Do this with absolute conviction. we will have a begining.

07-14-2006, 07:35 AM

QUOTEhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1748563.cms

SURAT: VHP and Bajrang Dal men went on a rampage in a mosque in a sensitive area of the city on Thursday, ostensibly to protest against the terror attacks in Mumbai.

VHP and Bajrang Dal attacked the mosque at 5.30 pm. Activists of right-wing groups, who tapping the sense of outrage in this diamond centre over the death of several of its residents in Mumbai, entered the mosque and broke tubelights in the prayer area.

Angry mobs also tried to snatch the mike from the muezzin as he tried to call Muslims for prayers. Earlier, VHP men gathered outside the mosque had demanded over a blaring mobile public address system that the mosque administration not use loudspeakers during azaan as it was hindering their meeting. Some mobsters in the mosque also tried to blow the fuse at the power mains to disrupt electricity supply.

Police claim the situation is under control as no one had turned up at the mosque and there evening namaaz was yet to start. "We were concerned as the area is sensitive and such incidents can lead to trouble.

As a precaution, we have placed a police checkpost and are trying to identify culprits," said DCP (Zone-3) V Chandarshekhar.

Police said a few meteres away in Rustampura, BJP had also burnt an effigy of the Student's Islamic Movement of India (SIMI).

VHP spokesperson Utkarsh Patel claimed, "We had requested the mosque authorities to tone down their loudspeakers, but they refused. 

It was when they resorted to stone pelting that some of our members ransacked their place." Asked whether VHP had taken police permission, Patel said, "We do not take permission in such cases."

07-14-2006, 07:39 AM

QUOTE(Aryawan @ Jul 12 2006, 02:07 PM)It is time for Hindus to organize themselves for the sake of their own family, country and civilization.Only way is to create a Counter Terrorist Organization which will reply every terrorist attack with many times more devastating counter attacks against their creed.
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$1000 on this bet- you have better chance of uniting hindus in the name of secularisim then in the name of Hindutva. What you do once they are united and have many friends, is upto your inteligence

QUOTE(Aryawan @ Jul 12 2006, 02:07 PM) USA after 9/11? Everbody in the USA knows 'MAD-Mecca threat of Bush' which has prevented further attacks the US soil . Hindus need to learn from Israelis how for each Israeli killed they make terrorist creed to pay many times more.

It is time for doing what Guru Gobind Singh and Shivaji had done in the history. Enough of Ahimsa and Forgiveness. No death of innocent Indians should go in waste.Â No amount of raving and ranting will do.
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Usa, Israel, USA, Israel if only i could get a $1 for every time i hear this from Indians.. I would be Mittal by now. You woudn't want their past, so don't drool over their present. But lets make one like theirs now.

07-14-2006, 07:39 AM

QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Jul 14 2006, 06:27 AM)I don't know how to post images
Bharatvarsh,

(1) Right Click on an image - go to "Properties" - and copy the "Address (URL)"

(2) Click on the "IMG" tab. It is 2nd from right in the lower row of tabs

(3) A new window (small one) will open up that reads like: "Script prompt: Enter the compelete URL for the Image"

(4) Paste the Address (URL) in the tab

(5) Hit "OK"

That is all.

PS: Remember, dynamic pages in the [IMG] tags are not allowed. So the Address (URL) must end in .jpg

07-14-2006, 08:14 AM

QUOTE(bhushan @ Jul 13 2006, 12:13 PM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTEWe're not Jihadis and our way is as opposite from theirs as Hinduism is opposite to Islam

That is the equivalence trap we keep falling into. Similar ways and similar ideologies are two different things. You have to use the tactics that are necessary to win the war (albeit an internal one), and using similar tactics (violence in this case) does not make you like your enemy anymore than Indian and Pakistani militaries using same tactics are equivalent.</div>

I agree we are not jihadis. logically who should have a better chance of sucess and making friends in the global comunity those who hate every one but their kinds or those who have grown up to be secure among diverse community. secularisim is our strength if we don't feel sorry about it we can clean fanatisim clean.

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