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Jews never ruled half the globe, you have been reading too much Nazi propaganda it seems, forget about ruling others they couldn't even save themselves from being slaughtered by others mercilessly until Israel was created.
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arre bhai you and I live comfortably behind our pc's in Hindu or kaffir majority areas and can preach goodie goodie sermons but the Hindus who live in Pakistan or Bangladesh, I am pretty sure they would agree with my formula and bhai saab, Hinduism did not survive because people started singing bhajans and preaching sermons but because Hindu warriors fought and if you don't know already, one of the central ambitions of the Maratha expansion was the restorance of Hindavi Swarajya.
I saw your website, shikhandi parivar and Gandhi representing Hinduism (is that a joke or what), that half xtian screwed Hindus more than RSS ever did.
Why eve teasing, disrespect towards elders or abuse towards elders, dishonest, lying had become acceptable norm in India?
This is sign of decay.
Why this is happening? Who is to blame? How it can be corrected?
<!--QuoteBegin-chandramoulee+Oct 2 2006, 02:02 AM-->QUOTE(chandramoulee @ Oct 2 2006, 02:02 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Â Over 80% of the population of India being Hindus, it is a Hindu Rashtra already-- only it can never bet a <i>theocratic</i>Â state.
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Thanks chandramoulee. Unfortunately, you are preaching to someone who's tuned out of this argument long ago. The modus operandi is pretty clear - why bother answering any direct questions when perceived fantasy helps build strawmen that can be periodically knocked down.
This thread is only headed in one direction, but I hope I'm wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Oct 2 2006, 11:40 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Oct 2 2006, 11:40 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Why eve teasing, disrespect towards elders or abuse towards elders, dishonest, lying had become acceptable norm in India?
This is sign of decay.
Why this is happening? Who is to blame? How it can be corrected?
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Good questions Mudy? Whose responsibility is it if people are out there eve-teasing? Or we lock our ladies at home? Or we blame some Judge/Justice/Neta? Or some holy or unholy book?
Let's try to get back on the thread from here on.
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Is from someone who is saying castism is racialism and wants to fight racialism. By the way, where is that post of viduur gone? Admins, pls let those be.
Bodhi,
Will bring those posts back if relevant to discussion. Let's start with Mudy's questions.
I am of the view that it is certainly a sign of decay of Indian values. It may or may not be directly connected to any particular religion, but there used to be certain things in the past known as Indian Customs and manners. About two and a half decades ago I happened to be in Burma (now Myanmar) for a few years. My driver Michel as his name suggested was a Christian whose ancestors had migrated from Srikakulam District of the old Madras Presidency. (Now this District falls under Andhra Pradesh). One day at an outstation while on tour I discovered that he does not take Pork or beef. I was a little surprised and asked him the reason; his prompt reply was that he an Indian Tamil Christian. Subsequently, I came to know that there were many other people of Indian origin in Burma, who although Christian were following such customs.
A certain section of Muslims in Bangladesh are culturally very active. As part of their classical dance, song and dance drama they often gives performance based on Indian mythology. Most of the renowned artists of Bangladesh in this field are all Muslims. They feel proud to be associated with such activities and have often in the past faced persecution for their activities.
These are the instances of social behavior that I feel falls under the basic tenets of Indian custom. It also includes, showing respect to ladies and elders, being of assistance to the needy people, benevolence etc. In present day India, these are the things which are moving towards extinction.
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Why this is happening?
People are not scared of consequence or lack of Dharma in daily life or new western mantra we live for today and just about self.
If you visit any Indian government office, they ask for bribe or itâs an accepted norm, you have to feed babus. Tution is a must because teachers are not doing their job well. Indian Police is a hopeless case. Canât blame politicians, society had accepted and elected them. Corrupt Lalu is very popular among secular press. If one has to visit hospital, first look for contacts or atleast brag about contacts.
Even those move to other countries they donât leave this new behavior.
Parents are not educating or introducing values to next generation.
This decay is serious.
I remember very old Balraj Sahani movie where he encourage someone to pay chaprasi to enter Babu's room for some form.
Is it bollywood is making it happen?
Why this is happening?
Locking or pardha came into existence after Islamic invasion of India.
10-03-2006, 12:36 AM
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Bharatvarsh, never underestimate Shikhandi. She proved the nemesis of great warrior like Bheeshma. By the way she was indeed a brave character of Mahabharata. Attaching her name to this brand will be insulting her.
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No I wasn't the one attaching it, I was just mentioning that viduur attached it.
Decay in Indian society is due to rootlessness. Indians have to be told what India was.
How widespread Indian culture was etc.
How most of what West claims as its own came from India.
Taj Mahal reality etc..
Stop disinformation, psy-ops.
That will bring back the deep self confidence.
Now how to do all that is a different question!!
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This is sign of decay.
Why this is happening? Who is to blame? How it can be corrected?
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#1 Eve-teasing is extremely disgusting, a kind of verbal and psychological terrorism. People indulging in this should be punished severely, period.
#2 Respect of elders....this is not as easy as it sounds. There are many "elders" who eat meat, have no idea of scriptures et al, so why would anyone respect them? Are they worthy of respect, just because they happen to be old? This is something to consider. We must respect wisdom alright, but we cannot kid ourselves that old people are always wise and therefore deserve our respect. Respect is to be earned, not given away for free on account of old age or whatever.
#3 As to dishonesty and lying, these are common in third-world nations. Desperate people resort to desperate measures. In a rich India, these problems will be non-existent.
#4 Why is this happening? There are many reasons, evidently, but the root cause in kaliAvEsha. Everything else is secondary.
#5 Who is to blame? There may be a thousand factors, so it isn't easy to say. If we blame Britain for raping India's culture, others may also blame Indians who allowed this rape to take place, while still others may place the blame on mughals, and so forth. There is no end to any of this.
#6 How to correct this? Follow Sanatana Dharma, that's the only way. There are no shortcuts to success.
The reasoning given is most impractical in todayâs fast changing world. Eating meat is not banned in Hindu Dharma; it is a Brahman cal misinterpretation by a certain section of the people.
In a modern and vibrant nation like India, the way of life indicated above is impractical and a fantasy.
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In a modern and vibrant nation like India, the way of life indicated above is impractical and a fantasy.
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Ravish, Fantasy yes. I'd even say it's ludicrous to expect to disown parent/elders based on eating habits. But all this is not too far from claims of one being secular or modern because one's a beefeater.
So we keep going in circles here and are back to square one.
Maruti, Please make your arguments with either facts or research and some logic and no need to resort to name-calling about brainwash or whitewash.
10-04-2006, 11:26 PM
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[Yes Virenji,
Given the limitations of the effect of changing time, do you have any idea how to preserve our culture from total dilution to the point of extinction.
10-04-2006, 11:33 PM
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What's this nonsense about Brahmins ? Let's use our common sense here, Who are the criminals running India (Hint: Not Brahmins), What army have Brahmins controlled that forced people to respect them or follow their directives ? (Hint: None).
Now to get back to beef, Why choose beef to make your statement ? You could easily have eaten a delicious dog or cat. But, while dogs and cats are eaten in East Asia, they are not in the West (And if you did, you could even be physically attacked by Animal lovers). Hence, proof positive that the choice of beef is due to brainwashing by old colonial propaganda, and not independent decision making. You could eat what you want in quiet dignity, but openly and aggresively stating your dietary habits as an "in your face" statement shows a political agenda.
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All due to Marxist indoctrination.
In any Hindu text is it mentioned not to practice cannibalism? Current so called seculars will start doing that in future or may be practicing and will say we are Hindus and cannibal, no Hindu text say not to do so.
But have you heard so called Muslim secular will say I have pig today and now I will offer Namaz.
Some so-called Hindus (by name only or given birth by Hindu mother) hate themselves and blame others for their own failures in life or to mother who gave them birth.
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