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Behind every so-called 'voluntary' conversion of the lower social classes from hinduism to christianity, there is always the church or a christian evangelical organization actively behind it, without doubt, who have engineered the entire show for public benefit. They collect the masses for conversion, paying them inducements for converting and saying publically that they are doing it out of free will, even coaching them to specifically say condemning words about hinduism and state that they are converting specifically to escape the caste system. The leaders of the targeted communities are most often on the payroll of the church/evangelical organizations; their job is to coax and recruit members of the community to undergo conversion in public, and to say negative things about hinduism. For their cooperation, these 'leaders' are paid hefty sums, none of which benefits their community, and all of which goes into their private coffers. None of the converted members know anything about christian ideology or its terrible, dark history, other than the crap fed to them by the evangelists and by the corrupt leaders from within their own community.
So called "Buddhism" has been around in India for 2000 + years. If there is such a thing as oppressive Hinduism, then what the F*ck too so long for people to convert ? Christiany Tyranny has been around India for 500 years, and India was also under 200 years of Christian Dictatorship (British rule). Why are there so few Christian converts in India. THeir Birth rate and AIDS rate is so much higher than the national average, so their numbers will have a tough time growing. These Xtian fascists along with Islamofascists will reap the message of hate that they have sown.
<!--QuoteBegin-sankara+Oct 15 2006, 05:05 PM-->QUOTE(sankara @ Oct 15 2006, 05:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Behind every so-called 'voluntary' conversion of the lower social classes from hinduism to christianity, there is always the church or a christian evangelical organization actively behind it, without doubt, who have engineered the entire show for public benefit. They collect the masses for conversion, paying them inducements for converting and saying publically that they are doing it out of free will, even coaching them to specifically say condemning words about hinduism and state that they are converting specifically to escape the caste system. The leaders of the targeted communities are most often on the payroll of the church/evangelical organizations; their job is to coax and recruit members of the community to undergo conversion in public, and to say negative things about hinduism. For their cooperation, these 'leaders' are paid hefty sums, none of which benefits their community, and all of which goes into their private coffers. None of the converted members know anything about christian ideology or its terrible, dark history, other than the crap fed to them by the evangelists and by the corrupt leaders from within their own community.
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Sometime ago we had discussed the 'hate crimes' in India. Posting this link just for comparision..
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...L&type=politics
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hate crimes in the United States dropped last year by 6 percent, the FBI reported Monday, although violence against people based on their race accounted more than half of the reported incidents.
Police nationwide reported 7,163 hate crime incidents in 2005, targeting victims based on their race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and disabilities. That was down from 2004, when the FBI reported 7,649 incidents.
The vast majority of hate crimes in both years were motivated by race, according the reports, which detailed the data based on so-called "single-bias" incidents. That means the crime was motivated by only one kind of bias against the victim, according to the FBI.
Race-based criminal activity accounted for 54.7 percent of hate crimes last year, up slightly from 52.9 percent in 2004, the FBI found. Another 17 percent of hate crimes in 2005 targeted victims for their religious beliefs, and 14.2 percent for their sexual orientation.
Victims were assaulted in more than half â 50.7 percent â of the hate crime cases against people. Six people were murdered and another three were raped in reported hate crimes last year. The rest of the victims, or 48.9 percent, were intimidated, the report shows. The FBI also looked at hate crime incidents that targeted property, with 81.3 percent of cases resulting in damage, destruction or vandalism.
Sixty percent of the known offenders in 2005 were white, and 20 percent were black, the report showed.
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http://www.bihartimes.com/book_review/book_review5.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslim Dalits a downtrodden lot
Nalin Verma
Ali Anwar's book, 'Masawat ki Jung' has sent a sever down the spines of Muslim elites as it dwells at length on the plight of dalit Muslims derided and treated as pariahs by the upper caste brethren and ulemas. This goes against tenets of Islam which don't sanction inequality on the basis of caste and birth.
Author: Ali Anwar
Year: 2001
No. of Pages: 263
Publisher: Vani Prakashan , New Delhi, India
To purchase the book you may place an order of purchase at our gift shop
"Aagaya ain ladai mein waqte-namaz Qiblaru hoke zamin-bos hui qaum-e-hejaz Ek hi saf mein khade ho gaye Mahmood-o-Ayaz Na koi banda raha aur na koi banda-nawaz
(In the midst of raging battle if the time came to pray, Hejazis turned to Mecca, kissed the earth and ceased from the fray. Sultan and slave in single file stood side by side. Then no servant was nor master, nothing did them divide)"
This famous couplet of Alamma Iqbal highlights the virtue of an egalitarian society that Islam professes. The religion propounded by Prophet Mohammad does not sanction inequality on the basis of caste and birth. That's why the king and the slave stand shoulder to shoulder in prayer as Iqbal mentions in his verse.
But the book, "Masawat ki Jung (crusade for equality)" authored by Ali Anwar, journalist and activist, and published by the Vani Prakashan , New Delhi, vividly depicts the caste inequality and hatred in the Muslim society and the plight of the dalit Muslims. Former Prime Minister V. P. Singh recently released the book at the book fair in Patna.
The book has sent shiver down the spine of the Muslim elite. In Anwar's work focusses the movement that the dalit Muslims of Bihar have launched against the "exploitative" upper castes and ulemmas in their own community, under the banner of the Pasmanda Muslim Mahaz.
The book written in the Hindustani language illustrates in detail how the small number of upper caste Muslims who constitute only 15 per cent of the total Muslim population in India have been enjoying control over the religious, political and social institutions of the country for centuries.
The author has identified the dalit castes in his community and has described their pitiable condition on the basis of his field survey and spending time with time. The Muslim dalits include Jolaha, Nutt, Bakkho, Bhatiyara, Kunjra, Dhunia, Kalal, Dafali, Halakhor, Dhobi, Lalbegi, Gorkan, Meershikar, Cheek, Rangrez and Darji.
The book emphasizes how these castes have been socially and economically "abused" by the upper caste Muslims for centuries. "Not to speak of others, even the great social reformer like Sayed Ahmad Khan abused Jolahas describing them as badjat (bad caste)", the book says.
The jolahas are hard working people who earn their livelihood by weaving cloths. "But it is an irony that the people who are relatively more hard working are frowned upon in the Muslim society. The way Ahirs are ridiculed in the Hindu society, the Jolahas are abused and described as fools in the Muslim society."
The book quotes numerous popular idioms which the "high born" Muslims use to despise the dalits in their community. Among them is "Khet khaye gadaha, maar khaye jolaha (Jolaha should be beaten up if the donkey grazes the harvest)." Another is: "Dom ghar khaibo, dhob ghar khaibo na (Eat at Dom's house but never eat at a Dhobi's house). Dhob is a washer man community.
The book says that the condition of dalit Muslims is "worse than dalit Hindus". "It's a big farce that there is no untouchability in Muslim society. The disease of untouchability is very much prevalent in Muslim society. In fact, neither the Muslims' ruling elite nor the religious leaders have so far made any meaningful efforts to remove the disease of inequality that has made the dalit Muslims to suffer for centuries." The author says that the Muslim political and religious leaders have rather tried to conceal the casteism, untouchability and inequality in the community to serve their vested interests.
Interestingly, the book disputes the general opinion of historians and social scientists that the Muslim society adopted the vices of social inequality and casteism from the Hindu society. "The general belief that Muslim society has absorbed the caste based disparities from the Hindu society is not wholly true."
The book says that the disease of social inequality was prevalent even in the Arab society during the pre-Islam and post-Islam days. To drive his point home the author asks: "If there was no inequality in Arab(ia)-where Islam was born-how does the Arabic literatures contain the words, ashraf, azlaf and arzal? These three Arabic words are derived from their Arabic roots, sharf, zalf and razl which mean gentle, lowly and pariah respectively."
The book does not wholly deny the theory that the Hindus who were converted to Islam carried the vestiges of their caste-based culture with them in the Muslim society. "Who denies the impact of Hinduism over Islam or vice versaâ¦..Synthesis and compromises happen when the two cultures and civilizations meet and decide to co-exist." But if the Muslim society, the book argues, imposes the onus of the vice inequality and casteism wholly on Hindu society it is absolutely wrong. "It's a design to hide one's own vice."
The author strongly advocates reservation in jobs for the dalit Muslims on the pattern of the one provided to the Hindu dalits who include Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. He describes the failure of the Muslim leaders to ask for reservation in Government jobs for the dalits in their community at the time of the formation of the constitution as a "design" to conceal the social inequality. More than 50 years down the line, the "unholy design to conceal the weakness of the society and maintain the hegemony of a selected class of the community over the rest has festered into deep wounds causing untold sufferings to the dalit Muslims".
The benefit of reservation in the jobs has enabled a fair number of SCs and STs become IAS and IPS officers and get services at various levels in the central and state governments. "But one can not find a single Jolaha, Dafali, Bhatiyara, Cheek or any dalit Muslim getting the job of even a clerk in the Government's office or teacher in the schools", the book claims.
The book says that the dalit and backward Muslims who constitute more than 75 per cent of the total Muslim population in the country are now awakened to the "reality" that the Muslim political and religious leadership "dominated by the upper castes" will not raise their (dalit Muslim's) cause. But in a bid to guard their "vested interests, the likes of Sayed Shahabuddin and several ulemmas are now clamouring for the reservation for all the poor Muslims in the Government job". "It's yet another design to perpetuate the hegemony of Sheikhs, Pathans and Malliks-the high caste Muslims-who have been ruling the mosques, Muslims' religious and charity related bodies and the politics."
The book also holds the Muslm ulemmas responsible for the plight of the dalit Muslims. "Why these ulemmas don't wage a crusade against the casteism and inequality which are against the basic tenets of Islam", the author asks, adding: " these ulemmas mainly belonging to upper castes dominate the rich religious and charity related bodies." "And they are as much attracted towards power and pelf as the Vishwa Hindu Parishad sponsored sadhus are."
Religious and charitable organisations of the Muslims, according to the book, used to be supported by the subscriptions from the people in the past. "But now these organisatinos are run on petro-dollars and the ulemmas exercising control over them have their eyes on money coming from the Arab and other Muslim countries." "So", according to the book, "these ulemmas are more interested in maintaining their credibility with the Arab countries rather than dealing with the day to day life, struggle and problems of the Muslim masses at large in their own country."
The book warns: "The foreign money can add colours and decorations in our mosques but it has all the potential to deviate our neo-rich ulemmas from the path of truth and religiosity." "Besides, the foreign money can add to several other vices."
To prove that how the religious and charitable organisations of the Muslims ignore the cause of their poor and socially backward brethren, the book cites the example of the headquarters of the Imarat-e-Shariah (Bihar and Orissa) located in the Phulwari Sharief area of Patna. Close to the Imarat-e-Shariah office there is a huge settlement of halalkhors (Muslim dalits). "Cholera broke out in the halakhors locality a few years ago killing six poor people. Not to speak of providing any material assistance, the Imarat-e-Shariah's office bearers did not even prefer to meet the affected families and inquire about their welfare", the book says.
The book intersperse with numerous popular anecdotes, idioms and tales, dwells at length on the travails and exploitation of the dalit Muslims and how they are treated as "pariah" by the upper caste Muslims and ulemmas calling the shots.
To prove that how the vested interests have caused immense harm to the Muslim society, which has now deviated from the path of masawat (equality), the author once again quotes Alamma Iqbal:
"Waize-qaum ki woh pukhta-khayali na rahi
Bark tabai na rahi, shola-maqali na rahi
Rah gai rashme-azan, ruhe-Belali na rahi
Falsafa rah gaya, talqeene gazali na rahi. (There is no substance in what the mentors preach. No lightning flashes enlighten their minds. There's no fire in their speech. Only the ritual the call to prayer; the spirit of Bilal has fled. There is only a philosophy left. Ghazali's discourse is no longer present)."
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http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?actio...s&id=42389
<b>Let Dalits become head priests of Hindu pilgrim centres: RSS</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->New Delhi, Oct 29: In a surprise suggestion, RSS mouthpiece Panchjanya has favoured appointment of Dalits as head priests of Hindu centres of pilgrimage.
"The time has arrived to consolidate the Hindu brotherhood. Dalits, the warriors of the faith, and the disadvantaged should be suitably trained and made head priests and protector priests of Hindu pilgrim centres along with those who call themselves Brahmins by birth," the RSS organ said in an editorial in its latest issue.
It maintained Sangh Swayamsewaks too were engaged in this endeavour. "We are confident that Brahmins will come forward in this regard...," the Sangh publication said.
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<b>Let Dalits become head priests of Hindu pilgrim centres: RSS</b>
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"The time has arrived to consolidate the Hindu brotherhood. Dalits, the warriors of the faith, and the disadvantaged should be suitably trained and made head priests and protector priests of Hindu pilgrim centres along with those who call themselves Brahmins by birth," the RSS organ said in an editorial in its latest issue.
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I fully and wholeheartedly support this move. It is quite a welcome move and a much needed one at that. It has to be made sure that along with the induction, it should not become a 'caste, percentage, quota' game but a genuine caste abolition strategy.
I fully support this too. I hope India frees itself of the unreal and foreigner-imposed "caste system"..and achieve real Independence from the British Raj. Hope everybody practices Dharma as it was meant to be practiced, and ends the "Divide and Rule" of the the colonizers...
It is a good idea, but we also have to look at it from the Harijan viewpoint also, it's easy to train them as priests but the bigger question is, will that give them a decent livelihood, our forum members may not have any problem having them officiating at our marriage or other ceremonies but what about the rural villagers, would they allow them to officiate at ceremonies for other jatis?
If they do not, then we are pushing them into more troubles, I think first we need to train the interested ones in enough numbers so that they can fulfill the needs of their own community so that they are not dependent on others and earn a decent living, then we can take it from there after seeing the response of other Hindus.
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Some villages in South they have started.
I know lot of Arya Samaj priests who are either from orphange or Dalits.
But check media reporting <b>" In a surprise suggestion"</b>
They are suggesting as if it was started by RSS. Any positive step by Hindu society are ridiculed by dork desi media.
RSS organ calls for Dalit priests
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http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/oct/31dalit.htm
<b><span style='color:red'>Orissa: Dalits threaten to convert</span></b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->About 1,200 dalits in Kendrapara have threatened to embrace some other religion <b>if they are not allowed into a Hindu temple in the locality.</b> Their demand is not for money or fame, but just to be allowed into the temple. Why then can't the stupid-hindus understand their own brethen's needs?
The dalits are peeved at the restriction on their entry to the Jagannath temple at Keredagarh in the district's Rajnagarr tehsil and have floated a new outfit, 'Dalit Manch', to take forward their stir.
"While dalits are free to enter temples elsewhere in the district, upper caste people have been keeping us from doing so here," Raj Kishore Muduli, convenor of the manch said.
"In case we are not allowed entry, we will embrace some other religion", he said.
The agitating dalits belonged to Sandhapalli, Ostia, Balisinghpatnam, Sanabada, Gopalpur and Keredagarh gram panchayats.
"We organised a meeting on October 22 and most members expressed their disgust at the denial of entry into the temple," Muduli, said adding that they had decided to launch a peaceful agitation on 'Kartika Purnima' (November 5).
District Collector Kashinath Sahu said he had asked the local tehsildar and the police to look into the matter and settle the row.
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<b>Uttar Pradesh tops in crimes against Dalits </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->New Delhi, Nov 07: Uttar Pradesh has achieved the dubious distinction of reporting the highest number of crimes against Dalits with statistics indicating a <b>"confrontation" between the scheduled castes and OBCs.</b>
"<b>Uttar Pradesh tops the list of crime against Dalits in the country with 16.8 per cent (4,397 cases).... the commission has received thousand of complaints of atrocities against Dalits, mostly related to land," Fakirbhai Vaghela, acting chairman of the Scheduled Caste Commission</b>, told reporters here.
<span style='color:red'>He said a majority of cases against Dalits are related to land grabbing by OBCs, and not by upper castes. "Where ever the two communities are stronger, there is confrontation. The atmosphere in the state shows that there is a confrontation between Dalits and OBCs." </span>
Vaghela, in the presence of other members of the commission, said there were over 12000-13000 cases before the commission related to atrocities against Dalits in the state with a majority being land related cases.
<b>He was also critical of state officials saying they have failed to come forward to address the problems faced by the community, particularly related to atrocities and discrimination</b>.
UP is followed by Madhya Pradesh with 4,356 cases, Rajasthan (3795), Andhra Pradesh (3117) and Bihar (1824), he said and expressed concern over the low conviction rate and long pendency of such cases.
"We are equally concerned about lower conviction rate in cases involving Dalits. It is as low as to 29.8 per cent, which meant 70 per cent acquittal," he said, adding that pendency of large number of Dalit cases compounded their problems.
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So now both reservered category are on each other throat. Reservation policy is working.
Why no information on crimes against upper caste?
From Brahminism by 'dalit' hero V T Rajshekhar (page 61)..
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India's Aryan brahminical forces took advantage of this dramatic turn of events and jumped into this anti-Muslim bandwagon - hiding all their past misdeeds against Jews. The zionist forces, having finished the Christians and enslaved them, are now out to finish the Muslims. <b>The Sept 11, 2001 "terrorist attack" on the US, allegedly a conspiracy of the zionists, was aimed at forcing the enslaved Christian world led by America to fight Muslim and Islam.</b> America, being fully controlled by zionist forces, has become a willing slave of the zionists. Under zionist dictates, the US bombarded and destroyed Afghanistan. Its next targets are Iraq and Iran. In Palestine, the US has given up all its neutrality and is openly siding with zionists in their reckless destruction and death of Palestinians. As of today the entire White Western Christian world has plunged into a blind life and death battle against Muslims and Islam while the latter lacks the military capacity to harm the interests of the mighty Christian or Jewish forces.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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BHUBANESWAR: The Dalits of Keredagada village in Orissa's Kendrapara district entered the Lord Jagannath temple of their village on Thursday despite stiff <b>opposition from the caste Hindus of the area</b>. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The entry of the Dalits into the 300-year-old temple was smooth and trouble-free. One platoon of policemen was on duty near the temple when five Dalits entered the temple and had darshan of the deities around at 12.25 p.m. Senior officials of the administration were also present.
However, tension started building up when more and more Dalits from Keredagada and nearby hamlets started visiting the temple and the priests left the shrine, resulting in non-performance of the rituals.
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The Dalits were able to muster the courage to enter the temple following a recent order of the High Court, which said that any Hindu, irrespective of his caste, could enter any Hindu temple.
The High Court passed the order while disposing of a public interest litigation petition filed by a lawyer seeking protection for the Dalits seeking entry into the Keredagada temple.
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The Dalit movement for gaining entry into the temple had begun when four Dalit girls were humiliated for entering the temple on November 5, 2005.
The leaders of Ambedkar-Lohia Vichar Manch, which was spearheading the movement, were not present when the Dalit men went inside the temple.
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FYI... The above post <b>does not refer to the famous Puri Jagannath temple.</b> It refers to a local Jagannath temple in Keredagada village.
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sure!!!
When it's reservation time these people suddenly become oppressed OBC's but when they do violence against Harijan's they suddenly become the evil caste Hindus.
<b>Turns and turmoil of Dalit politics </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Incidentally, the high point in Dalit politics came far away from Ambedkar's karma bhoomi of Maharashtra, in Uttar Pradesh.
In 1995, Mayawati, a Jatav by caste and a disciple of Kanshi Ram School of politics, became India's first dalit woman chief minister.
<b>The death of her mentor and BSP founder Kanshiram in October this year was an important date in Dalit politics.</b>
But if the elephant, the political symbol of the BSP, otherwise peace loving that many would like to befriend, goes berserk, even its mahout cannot control it.
The unchecked violence in Maharashtra over a Dalit family's murder is a case in point.<b> But opportunistic politics has left the Dalit movement ideologically famished and vulnerable to unscrupulous alliances.</b>
In an editorial in Saamna, <b>Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray waxed eloquent about Bhim Shakti aligning its forces with the Shiv Shakti</b>.
While Ambedkar's statues become mute witnesses to the real-politik of Dalit leaders,<b> many Dalit thinkers are searching for new Gods to show them the way</b>.
<span style='color:red'>This year Dalit intellectuals celebrated the birthday of Lord Macaulay with great fanfare, unveiling the portrait of English, hailing the language as the real Dalit Goddess.</span>
<b>In 2006, the Dalit politics took a decisive turn away from Ambedkar's vision, the question is, which way is it heading. </b>
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