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When, why and who has tampered with history?
Did events and eras such as the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the Roman Empire, the Dark Ages, and the Renaissance, actually occur within a very different chronology from what we've been told? Yes, they certainly did!
CLICK ON AMAZON.COM LINK! The history of humankind is both drastically shorter and dramatically different than generally presumed. Why is it so? On one hand, it was usual custom to justify the claims to title and land by age and ancestry, and on the other the court historians knew only too well how to please their masters. The so called universal classic world history is a pack of intricate lies for all events prior to the 16th century. There is not a single piece of firm written evidence or artefact that is reliably and independently dated prior to the 11th century. Naturally, after what you've learned in school and university, you will point accusing finger to the pyramids in Egypt, to the Coliseum in Rome and Great Wall of China etc., and claim, aren't they really ancient, thousands of years ancient? Well, there is no valid scientific proof that they are older than 1000 years! New research asserts that Homo sapiens invented writing (including hieroglyphics) only 1000 years ago. Once invented, writing skills were immediately and irreversibly put to the use of ruling powers and science. The consensual chronology we live with was essentially crafted in the 16th century by Jesuits. Ancient history is based on documents, manuscripts, printed books, paintings, monuments and artefacts called primary sources. The problem is that neither these primary sources, nor events described therein can be irrefutably dated, moreover they contradict each other for the most part.
When a school textbook tells us that Genghis Khan in year X or Alexander in year Y, have each conquered half of the world, it means only that it is so said in some of the written sources.
There are no answers to simple questions:
When were these primary sources written?
Where and by whom were these primary sources found?
It is presumed that ancient and medieval chronicles, written by Genghis Khan's or Alexander the Great contemporaries and eyewitnesses, are readily available. Actually, only sources written hundreds or even thousands of years after the events are there, compiled mostly in the 16th 18th centuries, or even later.
As a rule, these sources suffered considerable multiple manipulations, falsifications and distortions by editing. At the same time,
innumerable originals of ancient documents were destroyed in Europe under various pretexts.
The names of persons and geographical sites often changed meaning and location during the course of the centuries.
Geographical locations became clearly defined on maps only with the advent of printing.
This made possible the circulation of identical copies of the same map for purposes of the military, navigation, education and governance tasks.
Historians from Oxford say: "hey, everybody knows that Julius Caesar lived in the first century B.C.
'Julius Caesar' statement is only a point of view as
there is simply no irrefutable documentary proof that Julius Caesar or any other great name of antiquity ever existed.
Better than that - extremely rare sources that can be reliably dated back to the 10th 14th centuries A D, do not show the polished picture of classical history.
They show a picture both contradictory and confusing.
Historians disdainfully label such sources as unfortunate concoctions of half illiterate monks, hermits and travellers.
All methods of dating of ancient sources and artefacts are erroneous:
Radio-carbon C14 method produces dating with exactitude of plus minus 1500 years, therefore it is too crude for dating of events in historical timeframe!
The Almagest tractate, which lies as corner stone contemporary chronology, compiled in the 2nd century A D by Ptolemy, the founding father of astronomy, contains astronomical data of 9th to 16th century!
The Bronze Age, that has supposedly began 5000 years ago. Bronze is made of 90% copper and 10% tin, but the technology for tin extraction dates back 14th century A D!
All eclipses contained in manuscripts, like Thucydides one, relating 'ancient' events have exclusively medieval dating.
All horoscopes cut in stone or painted in Egyptian temples, like Dendera have exclusively early medieval dating solutions. Not quite what you have learned in school? Open your eyes, and, you will find sufficient proof to reach step by step the inevitable conclusion that the classical chronology is false and therefore, that the history of ancient and medieval world universally accepted today, is also false. Antiquity and Dark Ages are phantoms invented in the 16th 18th and polished in 19th 20th centuries. Human civilization is barely 1000 years old! ... (more) (less)
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We shall never know just how many historical documents are in fact counterfeit. History in general goes hand in hand with the history of forgeries; countless chronicles as well as works of art and literature have been considered authentic for centuries before becoming denounced as counterfeit.
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A presumed fragment of Cicero's "De Consolatione" discovered by the famous humanist scholar Sigonius only became identified as a work of the latter two centuries after the death of the author -- we would probably still believe in Cicero's authorship of said fragment if it hadn't been for the discovery of Sigonius' written confession.
Similar examples are rather abundant -- the "Thespian poet Lucius Varus" who turned out to be a 18th century Dutch scientist by the name of Heerkens plagiarizing from the 16th century Venetian author Corrario, the German "translation" of a Phoenician history tractate by a student named Wagenfeld in the 19th century, "classical" texts sold to the Leipzig library by a certain Schennis in the 1920's and so forth. Think of just how many remain undiscovered -- after all, the larger part of the iceberg always remains underwater.
However, there may be an equal amount of valid historical documents in existence that were declared forgeries due to their being at odds with the official history. Anatoly Fomenko, the prominent mathematician, was the first to apply natural scientific methods to historical data, coming up with a revolutionary theory which implies a radical revision of history as we know it. This theory finally explains such historical oddities as the existence of Christian tabernacles in the pagan town of Pompeii and the Ottoman Turks referred to as "Persians" in mediaeval documents. It is rendered in Fomenko's fundamental work entitled: "History: Fiction or Science" which is finally out in English. "Sensational" is a very mild term -- this book is heretical, controversial and clearly subversive -- but even the most uncanny ideas it contains are all backed up by statistics, astronomy, and brilliant logic. Fomenko's book may infuriate you since it contradicts everything you were taught in school, but once you're through with it, your view of history shall never be the same again!
Dan Brown beats Martin Luther with "Da Vinci code"
Popular fiction dealing with conspiracies of one sort or another is actually quite tame as compared to reality. Dan Brown pens a possible conspiracy of the church against the memory of its originator Jesus. He follows unknowingly in the steps of Martin Luther who started his protestant revolution with accusation of Papal conspiracy in the matter of Constantine's testament, take good note that Martin Luther was right and the testament was false . Well he had as media outlet nothing better than the doors of the Wittenberg's cathedral. Dan Brown has mass media at his disposal. The Roman Catholic Church, for instance, is involved in a much greater hoax than the most daring writer could possibly conceive of - one that deals with the very foundations of history itself. The above statement is neither an exaggeration, nor a metaphor - very few people are aware that the B C A D chronology as we know it was created by a handful of Jesuits in the 16th 17th century - Joseph Scaliger, Dionysius Petavius and their successors. We have grown so accustomed to a timeline that runs through many millennia, from the Egyptian pyramids to the present day, that the mere thought of questioning its veracity seems perfectly preposterous - just like the notion of a rotating earth must have seemed in the epoch of Galileo Galilei, and just as heretical. But nevertheless - the entire conception of ancient and mediaeval history know to us today owes its existence to a XVI century Jesuit hoax. A hoax that has finally been exposed with the aid of astronomy, mathematical statistics and modern computational facilities by one of the world's leading mathematicians - the Russian Academician A. T. Fomenko. His fundamental work on chronology, now available in English, is more fascinating than Dan Brown at his wildest. Yet it is truly a non-fiction work - that goes to say, everything else you have read about history should probably classify as fiction. And, let's face it, much duller fiction than "The Da Vinci Code" barnburner. ... (more) (less)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)
Brief summary
Fomenko claims
1. That the chronology universally taken for granted is simply wrong;
2. That this chronology was essentially invented in the 16th and 17th centuries;
3. That archaeological dating, dendrochronological dating, paleographical dating, carbon dating, and other methods of dating of ancient sources and artifacts known today are erroneous, non-exact or dependent on traditional chronology;
4. That there is not a single document that could be reliably dated earlier than the 11th century;
5. That Ancient Rome, Greece and Egypt were crafted during the Renaissance by humanists and clergy;
6. That Jesus Christ may have been born in 1053 and crucified in 1086 AD or even later;
7. That the Old Testament is probably a rendition of Middle Ages events.
http://www.new-tradition.org/classical.htm
Falsification of the Classical Texts
by Vadim Cherny
discuss it in our forum
The historical references to the events of Jesus' mission do not necessarily negate the hypothesis that they were fabricated. Doubts as to the authenticity of classical texts arise not only in relation to religious writings--historical literature also may be unreliable to a much greater extent than it is commonly supposed.
Only a small number of works by early authors are extant today. Could some of those works, with significance for Christians, have been tampered with? Quite possibly.
There were workshops specializing in forged texts. How can forged texts be identified? By font? But it was easy to find the one matching ancient manuscripts. Binding? It was easy to replicate. Cross-references to other books? Creative scribes could make insertions step by step in different texts, and the changes were then passed on. Style? Some gifted writers were involved; remember the vague claims that Petrarch ran a large forgery shop. Basically, it is extremely difficult, sometimes impossible, to uncover a good literary forgery. We must not suppose that all forgers were as clumsy as the author of the Gospel of Pilate (which, by the way, many people considered authentic), whose story of Pilate's repentance may have been useful to the Church but was totally unbelievable. It was easy in those days with a minimal circulation of books for scribes to supplement the texts with paragraphs, episodes and entire chapters, introducing the required content into earlier texts. Thus, much of the historical literature supporting the Christian story may be inauthentic, inaccurate or just an outright forgery.
12-19-2006, 02:16 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2006, 02:33 AM by ramana.)
This message is really for Dr Kalyanraman. I have read his article on 'Bronze age trade and meluhha writing system' and it led to these thoughts after reading the attachments and looking at the seals.
1) Has a study of the theogny of the Middle East done to see any commonality between Harappa figures and Sumerian and other ancient cultures? In particular I am wondering about the Pasupati figure of the IVC and the figures made in Middle East like Baal who was worshipped by the Jews returning from slavery in Egypt? Could they be returning to their ancient creed before being delivered by Moses? Also is there any link to the word Moloch used in the Bible and Melechha?
12-19-2006, 09:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2006, 09:05 AM by dhu.)
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Mleccha may simply be a sanskritic rendering of the "Semitic" Diety Moloch (Malik, king), later generalized to all the Semitic peoples. What is significant is that Indic Phenomenon in the ME is found in close association with the Hittites, indicating that they were part of the same movements from east to west. this is why the western indologists are so keen to break this logical association. we do not find german or russian in association with the hittites but only Indic...
the other important thing is that mleccha is a sutra period term... sumerians also referred to indus valley as meluhha. why would two distinct peoples be calling each other by the same variant name: meluhha and mleccha? it must have been an asura sura type development..
Dhu, What is the sutra period? Are you sayng that the term mleuhha is an early term? If Moloch is like Malik that is lord isnt Baal also mean the same thing?
Some one has to re-study/interpret the theogny of the Middle East with the Harappa theogny in view to understand what was going on.
ramana, these arguments were developed by KD Sethna. sutra period refers to a period of late vedic literature extending upto the buddhist sutras such as lotus sutra. the terms mleccha, karpasa, istika, aratta, etc are first found only in these late works. the material culture represented by these works corresponds to the harappan era.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mleccha, another term which later referred to people speaking a different language or for foreigners, was first used in the Sutra literature, Brahmanas and Mahabharata for people of western India from Gujarat to Punjab (realms of Anu, Druhyu and Yadu predominance) which had temporarily become a region of impure practices.(*36)
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12-21-2006, 01:05 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2006, 01:07 AM by ramana.)
I strongly sugest more research of the so call indian dark age of 1000 years after the fall of Sarasvati culture.
For exemple rice cultivation apear in Thailand in 4000 bc,and normaly was to spread from east to west in India.But is spread from Lothal(2300bc) to Bengal(800bc),oposite then normal.
http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/ht...ediffusion.htm
12-22-2006, 01:14 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-22-2006, 04:08 AM by ramana.)
Honsol that link is not working.
That article by Kak is interesting as he is able to connect a lot of the Greek and ME theogony to Indian ideas. However my take is that it is all Hindu at the core.
An important area of research should be a comparison of the dieties and gods of the whole of the Middele East including Egypt in light of the Harappa/ Indic civilization.There maybe local adjustments but the core is Hindu theogony. I would compare the pagan/Satan imagery with motifs from Hindu gods and goddesses.
It would be good project for those interested in web site creation.
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you have right,but i dont know why.I just copy-paste the link.
An on-line book Hamlet's Mill: An essay on Myth and Time
Download and read on plane or some such thing. Will find something interesting about the commonality of myths in the Middle East.
has anyone read
"Ancient Iraq" by George Roux published in 1992? It has a very good map that shows connectivity of Iraq to Meluhha (Harappa Civilization). Not that far by land route.
Some one forward this to Dr Kalyanraman.
Dated article form HT.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Tracing the Sri Lanka-Kerala link</b>
PK Balachandran
March 23, 2006
When one looks at Sri Lanka's historical links with India, the focus is almost exclusively on those with Tamil Nadu and places in Gangetic North India in which the Buddha lived and preached.
If Kerala comes into the picture at all, it is only when the subject is the landscape, dress or food, where the similarity is indeed striking.
But there is more to the Kerala-Sri Lanka link than this, says the renowned Sri Lankan social anthropologist, Dr Gananath Obeysekere, Emeritus Professor of Social Anthropology at Princeton University.
Links between Kerala and Sri Lanka go back very far into history, and have been exceptionally strong, he says.
At least a part of what is thought to have come from Tamil Nadu, may have come from Kerala, because in ancient times, the Tamil country comprised what is now Tamil Nadu and Kerala.
According to historians, the Chera (or Kerala) and the Pandya kings were powerful influences in the Tamil country in South India from pre-Christian times to about the 3rd century AD.
There had been Tamil influence on Sri Lanka from the earliest times. This was partly because the distance between the Tamil country in South India and Sri Lanka was only 30 kms from the nearest points.
But the influence became pronounced from the 10th century AD onwards.
Vestiges of the relationship between the Tamil country in South India and Sri Lanka, can be seen to this day in Sri Lankan society and culture, be it Sinhala, Tamil or Muslim, says <b>Dr Obeysekere in his monograph entitled: The Matrilineal East Coast, Circa 1968: Nostalgia and Post-nostalgia in our troubled time (International Centre for Ethnic Studies, Colombo, 2004)</b>.
He looks at the Sri Lanka-Kerala link through the "Pattini" cult and the matrilineal system, two institutions, which are, or were, widespread in Sri Lanka.
In the Pattini cult, the deity Kannagi is worshipped as the Mother Goddess, and in the matrilineal system, inheritance and residential patterns follow the female line.
Both institutions came from the Chera country, as Kerala was known in ancient times.
The Pattini cult is found throughout Sinhala society in South Sri Lanka and in the Tamil areas of Batticaloa and Amparai on the South-Eastern coast.
As for the matrilineal system, it is the norm in Tamil and Muslim societies in the East.
According to Dr Obeysekere, the matrilineal system existed in the Sinhala-speaking South also, but was supplanted by the patrilineal system.
Pattini cult
The story of Pattini or Kannagi is found in the 3rd century AD Tamil classic "Silapadikaram" located in the Chera or Kerala country.
In Silapadikaram, the heroine, Kannagi, in a rage over the wrongful execution of her innocent husband, Kovalan, plucked out her breast and threw it into the city of Madurai which then burst into flames and was destroyed.
Kannagi's fidelity towards her husband and her fight for justice elevated her to the position of an "Amman" or Goddess, and a powerful one at that.
<b>Vanchi, which the Silapadikaram mentions as the ancient capital of the Cheras, was then a popular centre for trade with West Asia.</b>
<b>Its trade was in the hands of people who followed heterodox religions like Buddhism and Jainism.</b>
<b>Silapadikaram, a Jain classic, was written by a Jain ascetic, Ilango Adigal.</b>
Dr Obeysekere says that it was the Tamil-speaking Kerala Buddhist traders and other immigrants from the Vanchi area, who brought the Pattini cult to Sri Lanka.
He points out that according to Sri Lankan mythology, the Pattini cult was founded by King Seraman (the King of Kerala).
He also notes that in Sri Lanka, the cult was given high status when two trader families of Kerala origin, namely, the Mehenavara and the Alagakonara (the Alagakones of today are probably their descendents), began to dominate the Western and Central parts of the island from the middle of the 14th century onwards.
And as per an inscription dated 1344, the Alagakonaras had come from Vanchi around the year 1100. The Pattini cult spread in Sri Lanka with the increase in the power of the Alagakonaras and the Mehenevaras who had started of as court officials.
The Mehenavaras were influential in Dadigama and Gampola (near Kandy), while the Alagakonaras established themselves in Raigama and controlled the ports of Beruwela, Devundara and Weligama, on the Southern and South Western coasts.
According to Ibn Batuta, in 1344, the Alagakonaras controlled the area now covered by the Western, Sabaragamuwa and Southern Provinces, with the White Elephant as the symbol of their power.
Because the two leading families from Kerala were Buddhists, they elevated Pattini to a Bodhisattva (a Buddha in the making).
<b>It is noteworthy that Pattini is the only female Bodhisattva in the Sri Lankan Buddhist pantheon. She was also made a guardian deity of Sri Lanka.</b>
Pattini was formally recognised as a Goddess in Sri Lanka during the reign of Parakramabahu VI, in the 15th century. Interestingly, the king was related to the Mehenavara family.
Dr Obeysekere says that the Sinhala songs related to the Pattini cult were originally in Tamil.
This is acknowledged in the songs used in the water-cutting ritual, which is part of the Pattini cult in Matale district.
One of the verses recited in that ritual says: "Ilango, the Pundit, composed these verses in Tamil."
The reference is to Ilango Adigal, the author of "Silapadikaram".
Spread of Pattini cult to Eastern coast
Although basically a Tamil cult, Pattini worship is not found in all parts of Tamil-speaking Sri Lanka.
It is a peculiarity of the Tamils of the Eastern seaboard from Batticaloa district downwards, Dr Obeysekere observes.
Among the Northern Tamils (of Wanni and Jaffna), Pullayar or Ganesa is the most popular God.
<b>This is so among the present day Tamils of Tamil Nadu also. There is only one Kannagi temple in India and that is not on Tamil Nadu, but in Kerala.</b>
The Dravidian movement in Tamil Nadu, which wanted to revive the Tamils' non-Sanskritic culture, did make Kannagi an icon. But Kannagi worship never took off in Tamil Nadu.
The Sri Lankan Eastern coast's peculiarity is attributed to its ancient links with Kerala.
A strong Kerala influence is evident even today among all the peoples of the Batticaloa and Amparai districts, whether they are Tamils or Muslims.
Their social formations and their Tamil speech betray a Kerala origin.
A comparison of social institutions between Kerala and South East Sri Lanka shows that the Tamils and Muslims of Batticaloa and Amparai districts had migrated from Northern Kerala, says Dr Obeysekere.
Matrilineal descent (tracing one's descent through the mother) and the matrilineal clan, are the dominant modes of social organisation among the Hindus and Muslims of North Kerala.
This is so among the Tamils and Muslims of Eastern Sri Lanka too, where the matrilineal clans are called the "kudi".
The matrilineal groups in South Eastern Sri Lanka do not have the corporate identity that they have among the matrilineal Nayars of Central Kerala, for example.
There is no equivalent of the Nayar corporate family called the "Tharavad" here in Sri Lanka.
But matrilineal structures manifest themselves in various important contexts, both ritual and secular, Dr Obeysekere says.
He notes that Batticaloa Tamil and Muslim women get a two-thirds share of the familial estate as dowry on marriage, showing the pre-eminent place of woman in these societies.
he other institution that the matrilineal Keralites and the Eastern Sri Lankan Tamils and Muslims share is "uxorilocal" residence. Under this system, the man lives in his wife's residence. In contrast, there is no matrilineal system among the Indian Tamils and North Sri Lankan Tamils.
The British did call the Northern Sri Lankan Tamils "Malabars", meaning that they were from Malabar in North Kerala. But according to Dr Obeysekere, this is a case of mistaken identity.
Matrilineal descent related to worship
Matrilineal descent groups come into play in worship in Eastern Sri Lanka.
In temples and mosques, particular matrilineal clans elect the chief, called the Vannakar in the case of the Hindu temples, and Maraikkar in the case of mosques.
Among the Hindus, the clans have particular roles in the rituals connected with Pattini worship.
Both Tamils and Sinhalas play rough games during the Pattini pujas and follow them up with a cooling ritual to portray the high tension in the story of Kannagi and the subsequent easing of the tension, which becomes necessary to allow life to go on.
Since the Goddess cults in South India are associated with curing of diseases and resistance to pestilence, the Pattini cult in Sri Lanka is also associated with these.
Because of this, Muslims and Sinhalas also participate in the "cooling" rituals of the Pattini cult, Dr Obeysekere says.
Close relations between East and South Sri Lanka
Close relations between the Tamil-speaking East Sri Lanka and the Sinhala-speaking South Sri Lanka, were another factor, which enabled the two sides to share cultural traits including the Pattini cult.
"The East Coast was connected by several trade routes running into the (Sinhala) Kandyan kingdom, mostly from Batticaloa and Trincomalee with the hub of the trade being Mahiyangana, also called Bintanna, which according to Dutch sources, was one of the most prosperous ports of Asia," says Dr Obeysekere.
Eastern Muslim traders supplied Kandyans with salt and dried fish. The Sinhala elite of the Bintanna-Aluthnuwara area had marriage ties with the Mukkuvars, the dominant Tamil caste in the East.
According to Dr Obeysekere, there was a political dimension to this too. From the middle of the 15th century onwards, the Mukkuvar chiefs of the East had accepted the formal suzerainty of the Kandyan Sinhala kingdom.
He quotes the Eastern Tamil scholar, Rex Casinader, to say that in the folk play "Kandy Raja Nadagam", which is performed to this day, the Mukkuvars had bemoaned the fall of the Kandyan kingdom in 1815, which led to the establishment of British rule in Sri Lanka.
(PK Balachandran is Special Correspondent of Hindustan Times in Sri Lanka)
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a new article by kazanas relating vedic to egypt:
<b>Vedic and Egyptian Affinities</b>
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<b>Vedic and Mesopotamian Cross-influences.</b>
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