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Indian Perception Of History
#81
Hindus, redeem your History

By Priyadarsi Dutta

While the dark age of Muslim invasions, has left a deep wound upon the Hindu mind, the Hindus kept no actual record of it. It is the works of Muslim chroniclers, and diaries of European travellers in the medieval ages, which throw light on the plight of the Hindus.

“The Muslim Turks, goes the first line of R.C. Mazumdar’s The Delhi Sultanate, who conquered India, brought with them the art of writing history, and have left a large number of chronicles which enables us to trace the history of India from the beginning of the Muslim conquest to the end of Muslim rule. This is no mean advantage...”

The books by Swami Sivananda Saraswati (1887-1963), the founder of Divine Life Society, Rishikesh are treasures on the Spirituality/Hinduism shelves in public libraries. His book All About Hinduism (1st ed. 1947) apprised me about the Hindu concept of history. It identifies Itihasa (History) as one of the six scriptures in Sanskrit literature, alongside Sruti (Vedas), Smriti (law-code), Purana (legends), Agama (manuals of occultism), and Darshana (Philosophy). The secular (temporal) literatures of Sanskrit are four—Subhasita (wise sayings), Kavya (poetry and prose), Nataka (drama) and Alankara (ornate language). This left me wondering why Itihasa (History)—a chronological record of human civilisation and worldly events—is included under scriptural and not temporal literature.

The Swami expatiates upon Itihasa, thus:-

There are four books under this heading: The Valmiki Ramayana, the Yogavasishtha, the Mahabharata and the Harivamsa. These embody all that is in the Vedas, but only a simpler manner. These are called Suhri-Samhitas or the Friendly Treatises… These works explain universal truths in the form of historical narratives, stories and dialogues…The two well-known Itihasas (histories) are the epics (Mahakavyas), Ramayana and Mahabharata. They are two very popular and useful Shastras of the Hindus. The Ramayana was written by the sage Valmiki, and the Mahabharata by Vyasa ( Pp.22-23; also available at http://www.dlshq.org/download/hinduismbk.htm)

Swami Sivananda Saraswati was a thoroughly educated person in modern sense of the term. Originally called Dr. Kuppuswamy Iyer, he had served as the chief medical officer in a British-owned private hospital in Malaya for a decade. I had expected that for such a person Itihasa (history) would mean Bimbisara, Chandragupta Maurya, Asoka, Pushyamitra Sunga, Kumar Gupta, Skanda Gupta, ancient Hindu colonies in Far East, Raja Bhoj of Dhar, Rajendra Chola, Prithvi Raj Chauhan, Maharana Pratap, Shivaji, Peshwa Baji Rao etc which we read in text books on the subject. Ramayana and Mahabharata are two ageless epics, which have perennially influenced the Hindu psyche. Though, this not even remotely to suggest that epics are fictional or fabricated, yet their place is above history but not at par with it.

Swami Sivananda has done a great service by disabusing a layman’s mind on orthodox Hindu concept of history. To the Hindus, who believe in cycle of rebirths, and impermanence of the world, maintaining a systematic record of worldly events was of little intrinsic worth. Only lives of great savants and wise men were worth, as an aid to attaining Moksha (Salvation).

Also, while the dark age of Muslim invasions, has left a deep wound upon the Hindu mind, the Hindus kept no actual record of it. It is the works of Muslim chroniclers, and diaries of European travellers in the medieval ages, which throw light on the plight of the Hindus. “The Muslim Turks, goes the first line of R.C. Mazumdar’s The Delhi Sultanate, who conquered India, brought with them the art of writing history, and have left a large number of chronicles which enables us to trace the history of India from the beginning of the Muslim conquest to the end of Muslim rule. This is no mean advantage, particularly when we contrast it with the paucity of such historical narratives of the earlier period….The reader will feel this difference as he goes on with the history of this period.”

Hindus began to take active interest in history as an academic discipline in the British era. It was the British scholars who scientifically reconstructed the complete history of India. They mobilised philology and archaeology to unveil India’s past. The English spawned a generation of nationalist historians—Ramesh Chandra Mazumdar, Jadunath Sarkar, Phanindra Nath Bose, U.N. Ghoshal, Ishwari Prasad, Baij Nath Puri, A.L. Srivastava etc. Ancient India was never so much upon Hindu mind as in the British era. It is sad that our standard response to this British exploration is limited to criticism—‘they invented Aryan invasion myth’, ‘they distorted Indian history’. But we purposefully overlook that those British scholars also unveiled India’s glorious past—the Buddhist era, the Maurya dynasty, the Gupta period, the Vijayanagara kingdom. Have you ever met a Hindu nationalist who discusses these glorious aspects of Indian history?

It is a catastrophe that historiography went into the hands of anti-nationalist Leftists since Nehruvian times. But I am equally saddened with the historiography of Hindu nationalists. Their best minds are locked in disproving ‘Aryan Invasion theory’; Indus Valley civilisation, and Saraswati Valley civilisation. Others are establishing how all great knowledge of the ancient world flowed from India, and how savagely the ancient West was. Such works might have academic value. But the question is, do they fulfil the needs of the time?
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However, they have neglected the most relevant task of history. It is reconstructing a historic identity of the Hindu people over the ages- to the Hindus themselves, and to the world. Veer Savarkar has done it in his last work Saha Sonari Panne (Six Glorious Epochs of Indian History) wherein he has interpreted India’s history from Chandragupta Maurya to Independence from Hindu point of view.</b></span>

Not knowing history has worked to the disadvantage of the Hindus. For instance, the Left-liberals have got away with the accusation that Hindu upper castes have systematically denied power and privilege to the OBCs ‘for thousands of years’. Hence, reservation! Yet, few Hindus argued that for seven hundred years of Muslim rule, the entire Hindu society was denied any opportunity, and if any Hindu managed to seize power, he was outside the twice born castes. In Turk, Mughal or Bahamani army and administration, there was monopoly of foreign born Muslim immigrants. Who shall account for this seven centuries, if anybody at all ?

For a new Hindu polity to emerge, it must be backed up by a meticulous institutional research on Hindu history. If Itihasa is a Hindu scripture, let us make Hindu history as our new scripture, as it was to Veer Savarkar.

(The writer can be contacted at e-mail priyadarsi.dutta@gmail.com)

http://pseudosecularism.blogspot.com/2007/...ur-history.html
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#82
aakaasha shareeram bramha,
satyaatma praaNaaraamam manaanandam
shaanti samRddhim amRtam
<b>iti praacheen-yogya upassya</b>

taitarIya upanisad, valli 1, anuvaaka 6

above uses a very interesting term - 'prAchIna-yogya'. It would ilterally mean 'ability to connect with the ancient'. last two phrases would mean: ability to connect to the ancient is worthy of worship, which provides peace, wealth and immortality. Of course here the 'ancient' refers to the eternal status of jIva - the shuddha Atman.
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http://sarasvati95.googlepages.com/antiquityhindu.pdf
<b>Antiquity and Origin of the Term 'Hindu'</b>
Dr. Murlidhar H. Pahoja
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Antiquity and Origin of the Term 'Hindu'
Dr. Murlidhar H. Pahoja*
The anti-Hindu historians like Romila Thapar 1 and D.N. Jha 2 have opined that
the word 'Hindu' was given currency by the Arabs in the 8th century. They
however, do not explain the basis of their conclusion nor do they cite any
evidence in support of their claim. Even Arab Muslim writers do not make such
an extravagant claim 3. Another theory propounded by European writers is that
the word 'Hindu' is a Persian corruption of 'Sindhu' resulting from the Persian
practice of replacing 'S' with 'H'. Even here, no evidence is cited. In fact the word
Persia itself contains 'S' which should have become 'Perhia' if this theory was
correct. The present paper examines the above two theories in the light of
epigraphic and litereary evidence available from Persian, Indian, Greek, Chinese
and Arabic sources. The evidence appears to support the conclusion that 'Hindu'
like 'Sindhu', has been in use since the Vedic age and that although 'Hindu' is a
modified form of 'Sindhu', its origin lies in the Saurashtran practice of
pronouncing 'H' in place of 'S'.
1. Epigraphic Evidence :
The Hamadan, Persepolis and Naqsh-I-Rustam Inscriptions4 of Persian monarch
Darius mention a people 'Hidu' as included in his empire. These inscriptions are
dated between 520-485 B.C.4 This fact establishes that the term 'Hi(n)du' was
current more than 500 years before Christ. Xerexes, successor of Darius, in his
inscriptios4 at Persepolis, gives names of countries under his rule. The list
includes 'Hidu'. Xerexes was ruling between 485-465 B.C.4 On a tomb in
Persepolis, another inscription assigned to Artaxerexes (404-395 B.C.)4, there


404-395 B.C.)4, there
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are three figures above which are inscribed 'iyam Qataguviya' (this is Satygidian),
'iyam Ga(n)dariya' (this is Gandhara) and 'iyam Hi(n)duviya' (this is Hi(n)du).
The Asokan inscriptions (3rd century B.C.)5, repeatedly use expressions like
'Hida' (fgn) for 'India' and 'Hida loka' (fgn yksd) for 'Indian nation'. 'Hida' and its
derivative forms are used more than 70 times in the Ashokan inscriptions. For
instance in the Jaugadha, separate rock edict II, the lines 3 &4, read,
lo eqfulk es itkA vFk itk;s bNkfe fdafr es los.kk fgrlq[ksu ;qts;qA vFk itk;s bNfe fdafr
es losu fgrlq[kus ;qt;s w fr fgnykfs xd ikyykfs dd.s k gsoea so e s bN loeqfulslqA
(All men are my people. I desire for my people that they may be provided with all
welfare and happiness. I desire for my people, including the people of Hind and
beyond and I desire for all men.)
The Edict further, says in lines 7 & 8,
ee fufera p /kea a py;s w fr fgnykxs a p ikyyksx a p vkyk/k;s;Aw
(Dhamma may be followed and and the people of Hind and beyond may be
served.)
The Ashokan inscriptions establish the antiquity of the name 'Hind' for India to
atleast third century B.C.
In Persepolis Pahlvi inscriptions of Shahpur II (310 A.D.) the king has the titles
shakanshah hind shakastan u tuxaristan dabiran dabir, "king of Shakastan,
minister of ministers of Hind Shakastan and Tukharistan".6
The epigraphic evidence from the Achaemenid, Ashokan and Sasanian Pahlvi
records, puts a question mark on the theory about the term 'Hindu' having
originated in Arab usage in the 8th century A.D. Literary evidence takes the
antiquity of the word 'Hindu' back to atleast 1000 B.C. and possibly 5000 B.C.
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2. Evidence from Pahlvi Avesta :
In the Avesta, Hapta-Hindu is used for Sanskrit Sapta-Sindhu7, the Avesta
being dated variously between 5000-1000 B.C. This indicates that the term
'Hindu' is as old as the word 'Sindhu'. Sindhu is a Vedik term used in the
Rigveda. And therefore, 'Hindu' is as ancient as the Rigveda.
In the Avestan Gatha 'Shatir', 163rd Verse speaks of the visit of Veda Vyas to
the court of Gustashp and in the presence of Zorashtra, Veda Vyas introduces
himself saying 'man marde am Hind jijad' 8 - I am man born in 'Hind'. Veda Vyas
was an elder contemporary of Shri Krishna (3100 B.C.).
3. Greek Usage
The Greek term 'Indoi' is a softened form of 'Hindu' where the initial 'H' was
dropped as the Greek alphabet has no aspirate9. This term 'Indoi' was used in
Greek literature by Hekataeus (late 6th century B.C.) and Herodotus (early 5th
century B.C.) 9, thus establishing that the Greeks were using this derivative of
'Hindu' as early as 6th century B.C.
4. The Hebrew Bible :
The Hebrew bible uses 'Hodu' 10 for India, which is a Judaic form of 'Hindu'. The
Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is considered earlier than 300 B.C.10 Today's
Hebrew spoken in Israel also uses Hodu for India.
5. The Chinese Testimony :
The Chinese used the term 'Hien-tu' for 'Hindu' about 100 B.C.11 While
describing movements of the Sai-Wang (100 B.C.), the Chinese annals state that
the Sai-Wang went towards the South and passing Hien-tu reached Ki-Pin11.
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Later Chinese travellers Fa-Hien (5th century A.D.) and Huen-Tsang (7th century
A.D.) use a slightly modified term 'Yintu' 12 but the affinity to 'Hindu' is still
retained. This term 'Yintu' continues to be used till today 13.
6. Pre-Islamic Arabic Literature :
Sair-ul-Okul14 is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry available in the Turkish
library Makhtab-e-Sultania in Istambul. In this anthology is included a poem by
Prophet Mohammed's uncle Omar-bin-e-Hassham. The poem is in praise of
Mahadev (Shiva), and uses 'Hind' for India and 'Hindu' for Indians. Some verses
are quoted below:
Wa Abaloha ajabu armeeman Mahadevo
Manojail ilamuddin minhum wa sayattaru
(If but once one worships Mahadev with devotion,
One will attain the ultimate salvation.)
Wa sahabi Kay yam feema Kamil Hinda e Yauman,
Wa Yakulam na latabahan foeennak Tawajjaru.
( Oh Lord grant me but one day's sojourn in Hind,
Where one can attain spiritual bliss.)
Massayare akhalakan hasanan Kullahum,
Najumam aja at Summa gabul Hindu.
( But one pilgrimage there gets one all merit,
And the company of great Hindu saints.)
The same anthology has another poem by Labi-bin-e Akhtab bin-e Turfa who is
dated 2300 before Mohammed i.e. 1700 B.C. This poem also uses 'Hind' for
India and 'Hindu' for Indian. The poem also mentions the four Vedas Sama,
Yajur, Rig and Athar. This poem is quoted on columns in the Laxmi Narayan
Mandir in New Delhi, popularly known as Birla Mandir (Temple) 8. Some verses14
are as follows:
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Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha minar Hinda e,
wa aradakallha manyonaifail jikaratun.
( Oh the Divine land of Hind, blessed art thou,
thou art chosen land showered with divine knowledge.)
Wahalatjali Yatun ainana sahabi akhatun jikra,
Wahajayahi yonajjalur rasu minal Hindatun.
( That celetial knowledge shines with such brilliance,
Through the words of Hindu saints in fourfold abundance.)
Yakuloonallaha ya ahlal araf alameen kullahum,
fattabe-u jikaratul Veda bukkun malam yonajjaylatun.
( God enjoins on all, follow with devotion,
path shown by Veda with divine percept.)
Wahowa alamus Sama wal Yajur minallahay Tanajeelan,
Fa e noma ya akhigo mutibayan Yobasshariyona jatun.
( Overflowing with knowledge are Sama and Yajur for Man,
Brothers, follow the path which guides you to salvation.)
Wa isa nain huma Rig Athar nasahin ka Khuwatun,
Wa asanat Ala-udan wabowa masha e ratun,
( Also the two Rig and Athar(va) teach us fraternity,
taking shelter under their lusture, dispels darkness.)
7. 'Hindu' in Sanskrit Literature :
Another doubt created by the modern day anglicized historian is that the term
'Hindu' is not found used in Sanskrit literature. This misconception can be
dispelled by quoting from Sanskrit works15 :
Meru tantra (es#rU=) (4th to 6th century A.D.), a Shaiva text, comments on 'Hindu'.
ghu a p n"w ;R;so fgUnqfjR;qP;rs fiz;As
(Hindu is one who discards the mean and the ignoble.)
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The same idea is expressed in Shabda Kalpadruma ('kCndYinzqe),
ghu a nw"w k;fRk bfr fgUnAw
Brihaspati Agam (c`gLifr vkxe) says,
fgeky; a lekjH; ;kofnUnq ljksoje~A
r a nsofufeZra n's ka fgUnqLFkku a izp{krAs A
(Starting from Himalaya upto Indu waters is this God-created country Hindustan)
Parijat Haran Natak (ikfjtkrgj.k ukVd) describes Hindu as,
fgufLr rilk ikiku~ nSfgdku~ nq"q Vekulku~A
gfs rfHk% 'k=qoxZ a p l fgUnqjfHk/kh;rAs A
(Hindu is one who with penance washes one's sins and evil thoughts and with
arms destroys one's enemies.)
Madhava Digvijaya (ek/ko fnfXotWink states,
vkdsa kjeyw eU=k<~; iqutZUe–<k'k;%A
xkHs käk s Hkkjrxq#fgZUnqfgZla un"w kd%AA
(One who meditates on Omkar as the primeal sound, believes in karma &
reincarnation, has reverence for the cow, who is devoted to Bharat, and abhors
evil, is deserving of being called Hindu.)
Vriddha Smriti (o`) Le`fr) defines Hindu as,
fgla ;k n;w rs ;'p lnkpj.krRijA
osnxksizfreklsoh l fgUnqeq[k'CnHkkd~AA
(One who abhors the mean and the ignoble, and is of noblebearing,
who reveres the Veda, the cow, and the deity, is a Hindu.)
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Similarly other Sanskrit works which use the term 'Hindu' are, Kalika Puran,
Bhavishya Puran, Adbhut Kosh, Medini Kosh, Ram Kosh etc 8,15. Even Kalidas
has used a derivative form 'Haindava' 16.
8. 'Hindu' and 'Sindhu'
Another theory says that 'Hindu' originated from the Persian practice of replacing
'S' with 'H'. This does not seem to be true is evident from the fact that Sindh has
not become Hind and both Sindh and Hind exist in Persian as well as Arabic. The
inscriptions of Darius and Xerexes which describe India as Hi(n)du, also use the
term 'Sugd' for Sogdiana. This 'Sugd' should have become 'Hugd' as per this
theory. The Pahlvi inscription of Shahpur II, uses 'S' in Shakastan and
Tuxaristan.
But it cannot be denied that Hindu is a form of Sindhu. It needs to be realised
that this change from S to H is common in Saurashtra where Sorath becomes
Horath, Somnath becomes Homnath and so on. The form Hindu is therefore,
likely to have come from Saurashtra.
It should also be noted that as per Nirukta rules of grammar, in the Vedik
language, replacement of S with H is permitted 17.
9. Conclusion :
Epigraphic evidence takes the antiquity of 'Hindu' back to atleast 500 B.C. Use of
'Hindu' as part of 'Hapta-Hindu' in the Avesta suggests that 'Hindu' is as old as
'Sindhu' and therefore, belongs to the Vedic age.
Regarding the origin of 'Hindu' from 'Sindhu', the Saurashtran practice of
pronouncing 'H' in place of 'S' provides the answer.
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And then the medieval use of 'Hindu':
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/07/25/mor...-of-word-hindu/
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->“While it is true that…foreigners used this term as a derogatory label, it is simply a lie to claim that the Hindu people feel this way about the word “Hindu”.

In actual fact, the Vijaynagar Empire was proud to call itself “Hindu” in its long struggle to maintain and preserve our culture. Shivaji and his Maratha followers were also proud to call themselves “Hindus”.

For your benefit, we quote some epigraphic evidence and its implication as cited on pages 8 and 9 of “Hindus and Hinduism: Manipulation of Meanings” by Sita Ram Goel:

‘The Somalpuram Grant of the Vijayanagara king Virupaksa is dated Saka samvat 1389 (AD 1467). It describes the king (“in the glowing fire of whose valour, the Turushkas were scorched up”) as “elevated by the titles such as hinduraya-suratrana”.

…In an inscription found at the holy city of Gaya in Bihar, the Vijayanagara king Acyutadevaraya is eulogised as “hinduraya-suratrana, the firm establisher of the Hindu kingdom.” His Unamanjeri Plate issued in Saka samvat 1462 (AD 1540) calls him not only hinduraya-suratrana but also induvamsa-sikhamani (the jewel in the crown of the lunar dynasty).

…by the middle of the fourteenth century, the word “Hindu” had dropped the derogatory associations imposed on it by the Iranians and the Islamic invaders, and acquired a lot of lustre in the eyes of our countrymen.

Native heroes such as Maharana Kumbhakarna and Krishnadevraya, who defeated the Islamic onslaught, were hailed as the Hindu heroes in subsequent centuries. Padmanabha uses the word “Hindu” for glorification of the Chauhana heroes of Jalor in his epic poem, Kanhadade-prabandha, which he composed in AD 1455.

It will not be long before Maharana Pratapa Simha of Mewar becomes renowned as hindu-kula-kamala-divakara, that is, the Sun which brings bloom to the lotus that is the Hindu nation.

Chhatrapati Shivaji, who turned back the tide of Islamic invasion and inaugurated the war of liberation from Islamic imperialism, will be hailed all over Bharatavarsa as the saviour of Hindu Dharma and the protector of its significant symbols - gau-brahmana, sikha-sutra, devamurti-devalaya, and so on. So also Guru Gobind Singh, and Maharaja Chhatrasal.’”<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A link posted on that page:
http://www.svabhinava.org/HinduCivilizatio...nityofIndia.pdf
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Location of Savarkar's book Saha Soneri Panne in the US.

Can any Marathi speaking member read the book and give us a synopsis?

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<!--QuoteBegin-ramana+Oct 9 2007, 09:36 PM-->QUOTE(ramana @ Oct 9 2007, 09:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Location of Savarkar's book Saha Soneri Panne in the US.

Can any Marathi speaking member read the book and give us a synopsis?
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Title means "Six Golden Pages (or leaves)"

If anyone can post the pdf etc of the book, I will read it and put up a synopsis..

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#88
The pdf is not available. The English version "Six Golden Episodes" is also there in many US libraries.

Meanwhile here is an Internet resource for Indian history

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/india/indiasbook.html

Read Malkani's Sindh History.
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#89
Instead of history of India which is a geographic term what we need is a history of the Indian people. By concentrating on the geographic area we end up wih the history of the numerous invasions etc. By looking at the history of the Indian people we can weave together the story of our civilization and its impact on the world.
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http://www.esnips.com/doc/bced2ab0-4e29-49...-Indian-History

Thats English translation of that book, only has first chapter I think.

In that book Savarkar chronicles six periods in Bharats history which he thought were important and of great significance to Hindus.

One I think was Chandragupta Maurya, then Pushyamitra Sunga, another on Yashodharman and his defeat of the Huns, also the Maratha struggle.
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ramana wrote:

Chapter I of Saha Soneri Panne: rar format


PDF is here: http://files.filefront.com/6+Glororious+Ep...;/fileinfo.html
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<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Feb 29 2008, 01:58 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Feb 29 2008, 01:58 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://www.esnips.com/doc/bced2ab0-4e29-49...-Indian-History

Thats English translation of that book, only has first chapter I think.

In that book Savarkar chronicles six periods in Bharats history which he thought were important and of great significance to Hindus.

One I think was Chandragupta Maurya, then Pushyamitra Sunga, another on Yashodharman and his defeat of the Huns, also the Maratha struggle.
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Can we try to find the rest of the book? Looks very insightful.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Living in a multiverse </b>


ZIYA US SALAM

Indians may be good at living in many worlds at the same time, but we should be a little more aware of our own rich and layered history, feels seasoned writer and novelist William Dalrymple. Excerpts from a recent interview... 

PHOTO: P.V. SIVAKUMAR

<b>WILLIAM DALRYMPLE: New narrative modes for history. </b>


<b>Indians are good at living in multiple worlds. </b>Equally at ease with Nike and jootis, urban Indians speak English in their offices, and often their mother tongue at home. Just like getting into trousers for the workplace and slippin g into a dhoti/pyjama or mundu at home. <b>We fight over the depiction of a medieval princess in a celluloid work of fiction and stay silent on the neglect of the regional languages.</b> Little wonder, William Dalrymple finds it all simply “incredible”.

“Indians live in so many worlds at the same time. You will find McDonald’s and KFC in New Delhi. But a few miles down the line in Madhya Pradesh you will find 3,000 kinds of saris! All over the world there is anxiety about our times being of one-world, one-culture. <b>But Indians will remain more diverse. India has always had its uniqueness. Indians have successfully moved forward while embracing each new age, I have said in the City of Djinns. Some traditions get lost, others survive. India is never going to lose its soul in its quest for globalisation,” </b>says Dalrymple, clad in a manner that is, well, uniquely his own. A brown cloak partially covers his green jacket. A cream shawl is flung over his shoulder, touching the nape at one end, and the sleeve of his blue kurta at the other. His green pants touch his tennis shoes even as his rimless spectacles tell you that the man is in touch with the latest fads in town! Never mind his bare head!

<b>Surviving globalisation </b>


“There is a danger of globalisation, yes, but there is awareness to what is our own here. It is better to be modern than purely traditional,” says Dalrymple, even as he calmly tells a Standard Chartered representative to call up another time. <b>“The real India is not there anymore. Not in films or literature. It is true that real India is not dominant in Indian English literature today, the way it did some 30-40 years ago. That is partially true because the NRI authors and their tales sell well abroad. Most of the characters in their novels are middle class or upper class Indians. But then that is true everywhere. Novel is a middle class vehicle. </b>In British literature, the novel was exclusively middle class till the end of the War. Other sections were represented by their own voices. English novel was, and continues to be, by middle class, for middle class. However, having said that, you cannot judge a novel by the public school of the author. The book has to be judged as a piece of art.”

<b>Alive and well </b>


Talking of more and more authors being from the urban spaces, <b>does it not worry him that regional literature in India still tends to be accessible only to those who know the language? And that purity of the language is getting diluted</b>? <b>“As far as the purity of the language is concerned, it is always a concern. Poor English is just poor English. Similarly, poor Tamil or whatever language is poor too. But personally, I have not come across too many Indian writers in English using words of vernacular languages. I am not really worried about the regional languages being accessible to all because I know that is a bridge under construction. Anyway, many of the regional works don’t need a translation. The Malayalam writers write for their own and feel satisfied. I cannot think of a major bestseller yet which is a translation! And many of the Malayalam works sell more than many of the so-called English bestsellers!”</b>

Bestseller. That is a term one can easily associate with Dalrymple. His latest book, The Last Mughal, which gives more than a peek into the life and times of Bahadur Shah Zafar, is doing pretty well. “It has sold some 40,000 copies in hardbound and another 20,000 in paperback.” That is quite impressive for what is essentially a work of history done with a touch of novelty.

<b>“There is room for an academic approach in history. It is important to have a least glamorous, straight-forward approach too. What is missing in Indian history works is somebody from the academic world who will address Indians interested in history in a specialised way. There is no P.J.O. Taylor or Fergusson. They make history come alive for the ordinary readers. Across the world you have historians with impeccable academic credentials who also reach out to the general public. In India, there is virtually nobody doing that,”</b> he says, adding, mischievously,<b> “I am glad it is like that. It has given me a career!” He finds it amazing that no Indian historian has come forward to adopt a narrative style in history telling. “You can gain reputation, you can augment your income. And you don’t have to dilute the substance.”</b>

Dalrymple, who himself broke a few stereotypes when he started writing for a career — his brother, uncle, granduncle were all priests or wanted to be one — feels the world is changing. And along with it, also changing is a writer’s world. <b>“Anywhere you go across the world, you will find Indians writing in English and being accepted and appreciated. In London, in New York, you will find many Indians writing fiction, winning prizes, hitting jackpots. But there are not many in the non-fiction category</b>. The exception being Suketu Mehta who pulled off a coup with Maximum City. <b>Nobody has taken all his learning and presented it in a specialised way for a special reader.”</b>

He is quite unhappy that history is still not considered a professional choice by most. “Back in England, in Cambridge, <b>people do history as a preferred option. Here the students go in for economics, management and law. Those who cannot get into anything else, go for history.”</b>

However, it is not all disappointment. He has an explanation too for this state off affairs. <b>“In India there is no culture of history. People lack that familiarity, that sophistication with the subject. Indian public does not read history widely. For instance, you go down in any book stall in any city and you will struggle to find a good biography of Indian kings, queens or even Presidents. There are not many books available on Shah Jahan, Sivaji and the like.”</b>

<b>He feels it has long term consequences, and does nobody any favours. The lack of awareness of the past impedes a fair dialogue in the present too. “Hardly anybody has reached the people with an account of history as it is in the language they understand or appreciate. What this lack of awareness leads to is a proliferation of myths. It gives rise to hagiographical figures.</b> For instance, Sivaji was an emperor, a political figure. But many groups or people don’t look at him like that and there is not a fair dialogue on the subject. <b>Then, because the people are not familiar with their past, there is a lack of respect towards their own monuments. Heritage suffers.”</b>

<b>Isn’t this lack of interest bred by historians who only adopt a rigorous academic approach in narrating the course of the past?</b> In many circles many feel that a film like “Lage Raho Munnabhai” did more for Gandhi and non-violence than most history books combined!

<b>The need today </b>


<b>“See, the way out is more books that handle the subject but address them to commoners. You have to take your research very seriously but you can choose to top it up in a more accessible manner. You have to take trouble with your prose.”</b>

“Taking trouble with prose”. That is what William Dalrymple has always done. With a fineness uniquely his own. Instead of Dalrymple chasing the subjects, the books have followed him, right from the time he penned Xanadu, which stemmed from his journey from Jerusalem to Shangdu. “Don’t even remind me of that. It was one of my early works. And frankly, not my best.”

But the good thing is, he has not had to be at his best always to make an impression. And when he is, as in The Last Mughal, he is simply very good. <b>Ask all those discerning men of letters who wear jootis and speak English! How they raved about the account of Zafar’s life!</b>

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One more from Pioneer, 7 Mrach 2008

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Ashok Malik

Every two years or so, India goes back to its tried and tested "history debate". The trigger is usually a new film or book. The clichés and the rhetoric are always the same - this is "not history"; this is "factually incorrect"; this is "insulting" to a particular group/identity.

The past month has been particularly rich in such controversies. State Governments have banned the screening of Jodhaa Akbar. The Supreme Court has allowed the circulation of American academic James Laine's Shivaji: Hindu King in Islamic India (Oxford, 2003) but recommended a few lines be excised. Activists of ABVP have responded violently to an essay by the late scholar-writer AK Ramanujan on folk and non-mainstream versions of the Ramayan that has been prescribed for second-year BA students at Delhi University. Finally, there have been prohibitions on the novel Rani - based on the life of Rani Lakshmibai of Jhansi.

The four phenomena are not linked, except by the loose idea that all of them deal with events that occurred, or narratives that were developed, in the past. Yet, they present us a field fertile with examples of how contemporary Indians view history, contest history and use it to fight very contemporary political battles. In essence, the four examples have roles for at least five schools of thought - or of villainy - in the great Indian war for history.

<b>First, the "history as orthodoxy" school of professional historians, those who guard the past jealously.</b> With Jodhaa Akbar - and more so, with Mangal Pandey/The Rising, the biopic made in 2005 - a familiar bunch of historians begins by pointing out errors in the script, nit-picking over details and technicalities, flogging and regurgitating 30-year-old doctoral theses, and essentially suggesting film-makers should stay away from history.

Admittedly, there are exceptions to the rule. <b>There are academics who don't see a problem in popular culture reinterpreting history, souping it up as it were - without entirely mangling it - to sell a book or pack a movie theatre</b>. Hollywood does it all the time. Mel Gibson's Braveheart suggested that Scottish rebel William Wallace slept with the Princess of Wales and illegitimately fathered England's King Edward III. It was nonsense but Oxford dons did not go apoplectic.

<b>Second, the "history as denial" school,</b> which, in the case of Jodhaa Akbar, is not so much concerned that the real life Jodhaa Bai was probably not Akbar's wife, but <b>that the film implies a system of political matrimony between certain Rajput families and the Mughals</b>. In today's political context, it is an inconvenient truth.

<b>The Marxists are adept at this culture of denial.</b> When the Mitrokhin Archive II was published a couple of years ago, it detailed how the KGB bribed Communist Party leaders and fellow travellers in India. It would have been appropriate to appoint a commission of inquiry to study the evidence in the book and in the larger, unpublished archive that Vasili Mitrokhin escaped with and which is now in the possession of the British Government. Instead, Left leaders stonewalled; one of them even said Parliament couldn't discuss the Mitrokhin book as it was "fiction" and a "novel".

<b>Third is the "history as popular sentiment" school, which insists that depictions of history must conform to "popular sentiment".</b> While seemingly persuasive, there are pitfalls to this logic. What happens when there is not one popular sentiment but multiple, contradictory popular sentiments?

Take a cinematic example. In 2002, Shah Rukh Khan starred in and as Asoka. In the film the Mauryan prince is depicted as a happy-go-lucky youth who is forced into conflict by the intrigues of the Patliputra court and by his wicked step-brothers. They hate him and murder his mother. When one of the evil brothers escapes to Kalinga, Ashoka attacks that kingdom. His is thus a just war.

As it happens, this moving script - reflecting popular sentiment about Ashoka in, at least, suburban Mumbai - runs counter to popular sentiment about Ashoka in Orissa (Kalinga). Oriya children grow up hearing of Chanda Ashoka, the terrible king whose unprovoked invasion led to unforgettable massacre. So should Shah Rukh Khan's film have been shown across India but banned in Orissa?

<b>Fourth is the "history as inoffensive" school. It contends that historians and those using history as a tool for creativity must not offend.</b> For instance, versions of the Ramayan that may depict Ram in poor light should not be part of public discourse.

<b>It is important not to lose context. Politicians who use fringe renditions of the Ramayan just to insult Hindu sentiment and score political points cannot be excused.</b> In 1993, in the charged aftermath of December 6, 1992, Human Resource Development Minister Arjun Singh sponsored an exhibition that emphasised an obscure tradition that Ram and Sita were siblings. It was political, not scholarly, action, and deliberately provocative.

Similarly, ideologues may pack middle-school textbooks with prejudice against cherished heroes. <b>At the heart of the NCERT textbooks controversy in the NDA years was Satish Chandra's Medieval India. After the Second Battle of Tarain, it said, "Prithviraja (Chauhan) escaped, but was captured ... (and) was allowed to rule over Ajmer for some time ... Soon after, Prithviraja was executed on a charge of conspiracy." </b>Is this how a schoolchild is introduced to an iconic figure?

Yet, taken to an extreme, "inoffensive" history, one entirely subservient to "popular sentiment", can result in mob veto. A multifaceted, even contrarian or counter-factual narrative of history is surely permissible at a university; or among under-graduates who are supposed to be serious students of the discipline. That is why the ABVP's Ramanujan intervention has gone too far.


<b>Finally, fifth is the "liberal fundamentalism school", which sees every objection as conspiracy and censorship.</b> After the James Laine verdict, one commentator accused the apex court of "giving aid and succour to all those tendencies that are out to subvert liberal values in this country". How true is this? Shivaji's adherents have taken objection to a few lines in Laine's work, such as: "Maharashtrians tell jokes naughtily suggesting that his guardian Dadaji Konddev was his biological father." The aggrieved say this is character assassination.

True, the Sambhaji Brigade had no business vandalising a research library in Pune where Laine had worked. Yet, was it not justified in fighting a court battle? After all, can a serious historian get away with making a fairly incendiary allegation without referring to a single source or any oral or textual evidence whatsoever? <b>Popular sentiment cannot be an eraser, but neither can scholarship be licence. Alas, India has a history of both.</b>

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2. The loath-contempt, stigmatic-disrespect, venomous-hatred and audacious-indifference shown by the Indian historians, archaeologists and inter-related disciplined scholars is astonishing. They coolly forget or do not know or knowingly suppress the fact that the so-called Assyrian, Babylonian, Egyptian chronologies have been constructed by astronomical dating. But, when it comes to India, it comes under the untouchability category.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I have been reading a lot of Indian history books written in the Indian freedom struggle days from 1880s in Google, Internet archives, Digital Libraray etc. What strikes me is the early writers were quite clued in to disproving the AIT and all its versions. There was a regional grouping of Bengali and Tamil writers. After their exuent from history writing, somehow Indian history studies got hijacked and we see D.D.Kosambi and his minions distorting Indian history so badly that it is unrecognizable.

I think the Indian scholars were able to handle the British Macaulay/Maxmueller srtikes but succumbed to the American writers and their deep pockets. Its from D.D. Kosambi who was trained in US that the perversion starts and even now Romila Thapar is esconsed in Smithsonian! So the group to counter in not the Brits who did seed the early efforts but were successfully combatted, but the American writers. We need to understand why the Americans are inntent on this onslaught on Indian history.
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Look at USA as a gaint social engineering experiment where each generation is "influenced" by some outside group.







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This morning, Times of India celebrates the headlines that, "Harvard gets biggest international donation in 102 yrs, from Tata Group." http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 752185.cms The timing on the eve of Obama's India visit has strategic importance. This whopping $50 million gift is part of a massive trend that deserves some thought, so here I go...



One talk I gave compared how harvard studies China with great respect, while India is seen through the human rights lens - caste, women's "oppresion", minority "oppression", etc... Others gave specific areas of biases as well - from Aryan theory on. The result was that Mishra went back and advised the Ambanis to NOT give Harvard a dollar, until they would make changes to their stance on India. China, I was able to show, gets treated as a serious civilization. One factor was that China studies is done largely in Mandarin while India is studied in English. Also, China regulates visas for western scholars such that it blacklists those it finds troubling, whereas India is open and welcomes everyone without supervision, and fails to do any analysis after the fact as to whats being produced. In fact, Indians find it a compliment when westerners study them, as though suffering from an inferiority complex of feeling left out. Finally, a key difference is that Indian intellectuals are heavily anti-India because of pseudo-secularism and marxism deeply entrenched in Indian intellectual circles, and most important Indian scholars are western trained and/or funded and/or craving to be in their good books for fame and prestige. Chinese do not suffer such complexes, which in India are the after-effects of colonization. This is because Gandhi got superseded by Nehru in defining the elitist Indian ethos. Gandhi was emphatic about his Indianness, whereas Nehru bragged to John Kenneth Galbraith that he was the "last white man to rule India."



But the lure to become famous in harvard and dine with the who's who of white american establishment is too powerful for Indians to resist. The real "success" for most is when they are recognized by the west. This is what the west knows well, having studied Indian culture for centuries, and used precisely this knowledge to manage, control and topple one raja after another in the 17th and 18th centuries. Take the kids to Cambridge, play polo with them, have western women to flirt, etc. - so they can feel like admitted to the club as honorary whites in front of other Indians. After independence, the brits got replaced by the americans, hence the strategic importance of places like harvard.



Some years later, there came a call from a prominent Indian that Anand Mahindra was being roped in by Harvard, and he had given them office space in his Mumbai HQ. So I was set up for a persional one-on-one meeting with Anand Mahindra. He is a very decent, gentle, open-minded executive for sure. He listened to my frank talk. He was unaware of these issues which clearly bothered him. But he made clear that he owed a lot to harvard, as they had given him a scholarship to study there when his father had refused to support him go there. So it was payback time for him, nothing more. I also suggested to him that Indians who want to fund Harvard should fund their business school, which has become pro-India, but NOT the humanities which are the nexus of this "south Asian" nonsense. A few days later, at Mr. Mahindra's suggestion I had a brief phone chat with Harvard's Sugata Bose who was visiting India as harvard brand ambassador to raise funds. [size="7"]I have publicly criticized Sugata Bose for his writings that depict pre-Mughal India as uncivilized, his idea of colonial problems focusses only on British but exempts the islamic colonizers, and he sees de-colonization as the return to a unified south asia under quasi-islamic civilization (positioned as "secularism"). This, of course, his girlfriend and co-author, Ayesha Jalal, has very skillfully managed to make into the core curriculum on south asia at places such as Harvard. (Jalal while not on the Harvard faculty was on the committee of their South Asia program until I pointed this strange anomaly out, and then she suddenly left that visible spot.) Prof Bose was cordial and frank, and we agreed to continue to chat later - which never materialized. Bose also lashes out against his great grand-uncle, Subhash Chandra Bose, the freedom-fighter, portraying him as a fascist. Music to the ears of the harvard establishment. These folks bring in Kashmir separatists, Maoists, "abused Hindu women", Dalit activists, etc. routinely as the "voices of the real India." Anand Mahindra announced last month that he is donating $10 million to Harvard specifically designated for the Humanities.[/size]



I mentioned that Chinese government and Chinese private donors do an annual report on the state of China Studies in the west, just like any industry analyst would do for an indistry, and this guides them where and how to invest. This gives them the basis for evaluating a given program and negotiating from a position of knowledge about what is what in the discipline. He was candid in confessing that he had not studied the south asia studies discipline to be able to tell me what went on in depth. But, he remarked in typical India style, he thinks the persons involved in such studies seem like "nice guys" and decent folks. I responded that in evaluating a business investment, the due dligence would not be based on whether the management team were "nice guys" or decent folks in their personal lives, but that it would look for hard-hitting data and evidence to evaluate. Had he or anyone else studied the writings of such departments over the past 50 years, to be able to evaluate what was going from the Indian point of view? The answer then reamins the same today - no, they have not!



In one meetng after another for 15 years, I have raised such issues. One example of such an article I wrote in 2003 is on Rediff.com, titled, "Does South Asia Studies undermine India?" (See: http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/dec/08rajiv.htm ) I have also proposed that India could use its own India Studies and even South Asian Studies based in Indian universities (as a way to study neighbouring countries with an India-centric lens). I have argued that the money used to fund one Harvard chair (at least $5 million) could fund a whole department of scholarship in India. The irony is that even those who claim to be patriotic, nationalists, including those being described as "Hindu nationalists," seem confused and mixed up. The GOI has given major funding to western studies of South Asia - including both BJP and Congress led governments. Yet there is not a single government or private philanthropist report on the state of this "industry" that studies India, which consists of several thousand scholars full-time who come from various disciplines - religious studies, history, anthropology, sociology, political science, human rights, women's studies, etc. On the other hand, China Studies in the academy is secure in China's hands, with western scholars are "outsiders" craving to be allowed entry.



Before spending money, one must have a strategic clarity as to what ideas of India are to be promoted. Otherwise, well formulated ideas of India by various other institutions get to dominate - such as ideologies of seminaries, US government thinktanks, academic south asian marxists-islamists, etc. Indians participate but not on their own rules. Tragically, Indians do not even have clarity on this amongst themesleves much less being able to project it. At a gathering at Ram Jethmalani's house last year, I was invited as the featured speaker for the evening. [size="7"]I spoke on this very issue that Indians must take control of India Studies. One prominent woman activist (Madhu Kishwar) diverted the issue by asking whether the studies would be done in Hindi! The whole gathering easily got distracted by any odd and irrelevant idea, that should not have diverted them from the core proposition being discussed. Some others asked "whose idea of India" would be studied, would it be the Muslims' idea and dalit idea, or would brahmins dominate? Indians do not even have a consensus on what is India as we want to see it.[/size]



Earlier this year, there was a rumor that Infosys founder Narayan Murthy was giving $15 million to harvard to translate and publish ancient Indian texts into English, for popular reading. On the surface this seems good for us. But the details count and such details are typcially glossed over by Indians. The editor appointed for the series is none other than Prof. Sheldon Pollock (Columbia), even though he takes an explicitly Marxist view of Sanskrit - explotation by brahmins of dalits, women, muslims, etc. His famous writing, "The Death of Sanskrit" laid out his idea of its history as a source of power in the hands of a few. He has been editor of the CLAY series of Indian Classics already, and one has to see that to get an idea of his biases. (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Sanskrit_Library ) While doing a great job bringing out the "beauty" of the indian materials, the fact remains that he simply assumes and states the Aryan invasion/migration theory as a given without even raising any issue with it. Very elegant and beautifully produced, this series already has 46 volumes in print, and its influence is considerable. My concern was that the Murthy family might not have invested time and resources to go into the details of the issues at stake in the translation of Indian classics in the west. The Murthy donation will also take this new series from harvard, and send it back into Indian education, making this "Made in USA" depiction of Indian Classics the canon for Indians to study as their definition of themesleves. This is what max Mueller's works did a century ago. It is their money and they have a right to do what they please with it. But wouldn't it have been wiser if they had funded something to do with their area of expertise and competence, so they could at least evaluate and monitor professionally, and not depend on "they are nice fellows" level of naivete. When this rumor was critiqued by me, the head of the Hindu American Foundation inquired and concluded that the runor was false based on his "inside" information from the Murthy's. A few days later the official announcement was made. Also, Prof. Pollock was awarded the Padma Shri award by GOI at a Republic Day ceremony in Rashtrapathy Bhavan, for his great contributions to the study of sanskrit.



None of the reactions from the "Hindu activists" have made any sense either, be it issuing petitions or writing angrily to the parties concerned. They have failed to understand the deeper mechanisms at work. You dont fight a patient's infection by holding playcards shouting slogans against the germs! The doctor has to understand the mechanisms of the disease and how/where to intervene. But a lazy, incompetent man (despite his good intentions) would have no time to go to med school and learn all that, and THEN be competent to defeat the disease. He is in too much of a hurry, wants to make a big splash in public to look important; and hence he stands outside the hospital shouting slogans against the germs. This sounds like a strange analogy, but if you examine closely the "activists" at work, it is a fairly accurate one.
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