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Naresh · 11-23-2007, 11:57 PM

[center]Commonwealth rejects Pakistan anger over suspension[/center]

QUOTEKAMPALA (Reuters) - Pakistan angrily rejected its suspension from the Commonwealth on Friday, but leaders of the group of mainly former British colonies said the sanction was justified and would stand until democracy was restored.

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Naresh · 11-25-2007, 12:48 AM

Pakistanis give Mouth Breaking Response and the Iranians give a âTeeth Breakingâ Response!

Iran will not block oil passage : navy chief

(Posted at 1950 PST 24-11-2007)

TEHRAN : Tehran has no plans to block the Straits of Hormuz amid fears it could use the strategic oil passage as a weapon in its nuclear standoff with the West, Iran's navy chief said on Saturday.

"We don't have any plans to block the Straits of Hormuz but we are ready to carry out any operation to defend our interests," said Admiral Habibollah Sayyari, quoted by a local news agency.

"If the enemy wants to carry out its threats one day, the navy will deliver them a teeth-breaking response," he said, echoing Iran's military commanders and leaders who have vowed a crushing response to any attack.

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11-25-2007, 07:17 AM

QUOTETwo Rawalpindi suicide bombings kill 20: officials RAWALPINDI, Nov 24 (AFP): Two suicide bombings targeting Pakistani security forces killed at least 20 people Saturday. An explosives-laden vehicle rammed a military bus as it entered a compound, witnesses and officials said, while another exploded at a checkpost almost simultaneously. Minutes later, all that remained of the bus was a charred hulk. Military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said at least 15 people died in the bus blast and three security officials were critically wounded at the checkpost. However, security sources told AFP that the toll was higher, with at least 19 dead on the bus and one at the checkpoint. (First Posted @ 09:25 PST Updated @ 21:44 PST)


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In Swat Paki Army had put blockade, even food, electricity and water is shutdown.
Now they have to worry about Islam-a-bad HQ.

11-25-2007, 07:18 AM

QUOTENawaz Sharif to return after 'understanding' with Musharraf: source ISLAMABAD, Nov 24 (AFP): Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif came to an âunderstandingâ with senior officials ahead of his planned return Sunday from exile, an informed government source told AFP. Sharif met intelligence chief Lieutenant General Nadeem Taj in Saudi Arabia. âHe is returning under some understanding and we hope he sticks to it,â a senior federal government official told AFP. He is due to land in Lahore on Sunday afternoon on board a Saudi royal plane, his party said. (Posted @ 20:16 PST)

Naresh · 11-25-2007, 03:23 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 25 2007, 07:17 AM)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTETwo Rawalpindi suicide bombings kill 20: officials RAWALPINDI, Nov 24 (AFP): Two suicide bombings targeting Pakistani security forces killed at least 20 people Saturday. An explosives-laden vehicle rammed a military bus as it entered a compound, witnesses and officials said, while another exploded at a checkpost almost simultaneously. Minutes later, all that remained of the bus was a charred hulk. Military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said at least 15 people died in the bus blast and three security officials were critically wounded at the checkpost. However, security sources told AFP that the toll was higher, with at least 19 dead on the bus and one at the checkpoint. (First Posted @ 09:25 PST Updated @ 21:44 PST)


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In Swat Paki Army had put blockade, even food, electricity and water is shutdown.
Now they have to worry about Islam-a-bad HQ.
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Mudy Ji 

In reality it is the ISIâs Albatrosses, Buzzards, Chickens, Turkeys, Vultures - in fact all the Carrion Birds Coming Home to Roost :

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July 12 : Suicide car bomber kills five people including three police, in Swat in the northwest. Three people die when another attacker blows himself up at a government office in Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan tribal area.

July 14 : Twenty-four people are killed in a suicide attack on military convoy in North Waziristan.

July 15 : Suicide attacks kill more than 40 people in northwest Pakistan, including 26 at a police recruitment centre.

July 17 : Seventeen people are killed in a suicide attack on a rally by chief justice, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. Suicide bomber kills three soldiers and a civilian in North Waziristan.

July 19 : Three suicide attacks kill more than 50 people. The deadliest targets Chinese workers in southwestern Pakistan but kills only locals, while another strikes inside an army mosque in the northwest.

July 27 : Suicide attack during protests in Islamabad sparked by the re-opening of the Red Mosque kills 15.

August 13 : Four people are killed by roadside bomb on eve of celebrations for Pakistanâs 60th anniversary of independence.

August 20 : Three soldiers are killed in suicide attack in the northwestern town of Hangu.

August 26 : Suicide bomber kills four policemen in northwestern Swat valley.

September 1 : Three soldiers, two civilians are killed in suicide attack in Bajaur tribal zone.

September 4 : Two suicide attackers, one on a military bus and another in a market, kill at least 25 people near military headquarters in Rawalpindi.

September 11 : A suicide bomber blows himself up inside a minibus as police try to arrest him killing 17 people in northwest Pakistan.

September 13 : A suicide bomber kills 20 commandos from an elite unit tasked with tackling Osama bin Ladenâs extremist network.

October 1 : A suicide bomber disguised in a womanâs burqa strikes at a police checkpost in northwestern Pakistan, killing at least 16 people.

October 18 : One suicide attack and another smaller blast targeting former premier Benazir Bhutto kill at least 139 people in Karachi, just hours after she had returned to Pakistan for the first time in eight years.

October 25 : A blast tears rips a security forces vehicle in the Swat valley areas of the northwest, killing 30 people - mostly paramilitary soldiers - and wounding dozens.

November 2 : Two landmine explosions kills six people, including a child, in Balochistan.

November 9 : A suicide bomber blows himself up at the house of a minister in Peshawar. He survives but four people are killed.

November 24 : At least 20 people are killed in twin suicide attacks against security forces in Rawalpindi. Most of the dead were in a bus rammed by an explosives-laden car.

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Shambhu · 11-25-2007, 09:16 PM

Wah! Chronology ho to aisi!

11-27-2007, 05:25 AM

Now Bibi in cold storage and Islamist will be new PM

Sharifs finally home : â¢ Jubilant welcome in Lahore â¢ Nawaz vows to struggle for democracy â¢ Demand for restoration of pre-November judiciaryQUOTELAHORE, Nov 25: Former prime minister Nawaz Sharif returned to the country on Sunday to a tumultuous welcome and vowed to âcontinue his fight against dictatorshipâ.

In his brief address to highly charged PML-N workers at the airport, he said: âPakistan was not created for dictators or emergencies. It was created for democracy and the rule of law. I am here to play my role in ridding the country of dictatorship and bringing back the rule of law.â
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He thanked the Saudi king for his return. âThe king had made it clear to Musharraf that I (Nawaz) would have to return now,â he said.

King must be ashamed to see woman PM of fort of Islam.

11-27-2007, 05:29 AM

Militants in Waziristan set foodgrain on fire
QUOTEWANA, Nov 25: Local Taliban militants seized and burned thousands of kilogrammes of food destined for pregnant women in a tribal area of Pakistan, officials said on Sunday.

The food, mainly lentils and cooking oil, was taken from a hospital in the district of South Waziristan and had been supplied by the aid charity Save the Children to feed pregnant women suffering from malnutrition.

A Taliban activist said they were destroyed because âforeign NGOs want to harm our future generations.â People in the deeply conservative tribal areas often oppose the presence of Western-funded non-governmental organisations on religious and cultural grounds.

11-27-2007, 05:50 AM

Dawn

First they were drawing inspiration from Gandhi and now this - Pukes are now claiming that Bhagat Singh (of all people) as one of their own. A pathetic attempt to find some sense of history and a source of inspiration since all Jinnah did was to mooch off the Indian freedom struggle.

11-27-2007, 12:16 PM

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Husky · (This post was last modified: 11-27-2007, 04:54 PM by Husky.)

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Yes yes, and they'll rename Lahore back to Lavakusha or something - apparently the city founded by Rama's sons (or named after any original already going by that name?) A link to support my statement:
QUOTEUniversities like Takshashila, metropolises like Lav-kush Pur (Lahore), Mulasthana (Multan), Purushapura (Peshwar), Kubha-Kapisa (Kabul).

11-27-2007, 08:45 PM

20 militants, 4 soldiers killed in Swat

Mushy bid Good bye. Now he will drop his dress.
Interesting time ahead.

11-28-2007, 08:45 PM

New man is Kiyani.
Mushy was in tears was interesting.
Now what?
Lets see what Kiyani will do with Mushy, Bibi and Nawaz (no more Ganja).

11-28-2007, 09:12 PM

QUOTEPresident Musharraf hands over command as army chief RAWALPINDI, Pakistan, Nov 28 (Reuters) President Pervez Musharraf handed over the baton of army command to his successor General Ashfaq Kiyani Wednesday, ending eight years of military rule. He passed the cane at a ceremony of martial pomp at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, a day before he is due to swear a new oath of presidential office as a civilian. Many of the dignitaries and invited guests applauded as Musharraf picked up the baton from a wooden and brass stand and placed it in Kiyani's outstretched hands, in a ceremony broadcast live on television. âThe system continues, people come and go, everyone has to go, every good thing comes to an end, everything is mortal,â Musharraf told the top brass and government leaders at the change-of-command ceremony. (FirstPosted @ 11:05 PST, Updated@ 11:50 PST)

White House welcomes Musharraf decision to quit military WASHINGTON, Nov 28 (Reuters): The White House Wednesday welcomed a decision by President Pervez Musharraf to quit as army chief. âThe president certainly considers that to be a good step,â White House press secretary Dana Perino said. âPresident Musharraf followed through on his commitment to remove the uniform. It was significant for him.â But Perino repeated the White House's call for Musharraf to end emergency rule in Pakistan. (Posted @ 20:15 PST)

General Kiyani takes over as COAS ISLAMABAD, Nov 28 (AFP) On Wednesday General Ashfaq Kiyani took over as Pakistanâs army chief. President Musharraf handed the baton of military command to Kiyani, his 55-year-old deputy, in a colourful ceremony on a parade ground at military headquarters in Rawalpindi. Musharraf paid rich tribute to him in a speech, saying he had known him for 20 years and adding: âI know his professional acumen. He is an excellent soldier.â Musharraf said he was âconfident that the army will remain loyal to him (Kiyani) as it has been with meâ. Kiyani is a former head of the Rawalpindi Corps. In 2004, Musharraf appointed him to lead the Inter-Services Intelligence agency. Kiyani joined the army in 1971 and commanded several infantry units, according to a military statement. He is a graduate of Fort Leavenworth military college in the United States.(Posted @ 12:00 PST)

11-28-2007, 09:14 PM

QUOTETroops seize Fazlullah's base: PESHAWAR, Nov 28 (AFP): Troops Wednesday captured the base of radical militant cleric Maulana Fazlullah in Swat Valley where nearly two weeks of clashes have killed around 250 militants, officials said. âSecurity forces entered Imam Dheri town, the main base of Maulana Fazlullah,â a provincial government spokesman told AFP. The cleric controlled a huge complex in Imam Dheri including a mosque and a madrassa spread over two square kilometers. Some 200 armed followers used to guard the complex prior to the recent clashes. The base, some eight kilometres from the valley's main town of Mingora, is in Kabal district, where most towns have fallen to the government in the past two days. Fazlullahâs whereabouts remain unknown. Security sources said the cleric's close aides had fled, including his spokesman, Maulana Sirajuddin. They quoted residents as saying they were seen heading for the mountains. (Posted @ 17:10 PST)

11-28-2007, 09:29 PM

QUOTE Musharraf minus his uniformÂ -B Raman

Kiyani is believed to have a wide network of contacts in the US Armed Forces, but he really attracted the attentionÂ of the US' political and military leadership at the time of the Indo-Pakistan military confrontation in 2002 after the terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament on December 13, 2001. He was the Director-General, Military Operations at that time and the US was reportedly impressed by the cool manner in which he handled the crisis. 

In September 2003, he was appointed the corps commander of the X Corps at Rawalpindi. It was the X Corps that had launched the coup of October 1999 which brought Musharraf to power. No military coup in Pakistan could be successful without the X Corps being in the forefront of the coup. All military chiefs chose their most trusted officer to head it. The fact that Musharraf chose him for this key post spoke of his confidence in him as a trustworthy officer, who would do his bidding.

In October next year, he was appointed the DG of the ISI and once again impressed the US by his successÂ in having Abu Faraj al-Libbi, an al Al Qaeda operative allegedly involved in the attempts to assassinate Musharraf, arrested in the tribal belt. He was immediately handed over to the US without properly interrogating him in connection with the attempts to kill Musharraf. Many Pakistani sources, however, have not accepted the claim of the ISI and that of the US that Abu Faraj was the No 3 in Al Qaeda and had masterminded the attempts to kill Musharraf. Subsequent evidence has not proved their claims.

Naresh · 11-29-2007, 03:51 AM

26 cities in grip of high inflation : SBP <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />

QUOTEKARACHI - The city-wise inflation indicates that 26 cities out of 35 were found in the category of high inflation cities. Inflation recorded for all cities depicted a higher level of YoY CPI inflation compared to their relative positions in general and food categories.

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11-29-2007, 03:56 AM

Mushy kept his word and did a right thing. He had dignity. Now look at our Indian morons, they can't keep words. They should learn from Mushy.
Hats off.

11-29-2007, 04:20 AM

QUOTESoldier's call
Admittedly, such speculation may be a bit overdone. Even so, it has to be said that Gen Kiyani has a lot going for him. As a Punjabi, he does not have to 'prove' his credentials to the establishment with which he shares an ethnic affinity, something that Gen Musharraf, a mohajir, had to do. Second, in his personal life, the chain-smoking Gen Kiyani represents the last of the pre-Zia generation, the final lot of officers pushed into the middle rung before Gen Zia-ul-Haq's Islamic drive overran the Army. For Pakistan, he represents the final frontier.

11-29-2007, 05:13 AM

QUOTEKiyani's perfect pedigree 
Pioneer.com
Wilson John
Gen Pervez Musharraf's successor as Army chief, Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, is a former boss of ISI, has patrons in Washington, DC, knows politicians who matter in Pakistan and meets other criteria set by the Americans

Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, a Punjabi officer from the famed Baloch Regiment, an experienced India hand, with marked US leanings, on Wednesday took over from Gen Pervez Musharraf as Pakistan Army's 14th Chief of Army Staff. The chain-smoking, reclusive General is the first DG, ISI, to head that country's Army.

Gen Kiyani's appointment as the Chief of Army Staff does have Washington's consent. He is certainly not part of Gen Musharraf's inner coterie. His appointment could be seen as part of the US grand-strategy to install a democratic set-up in Pakistan with President Musharraf as the civilian head of state and an elected Prime Minister.

Gen Kiyani has undergone three courses in the US, including one at the US Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth. He is known to the top brass in Pentagon -- a clear reference to which was made by a US State Department spokesperson who said that senior officers at Pentagon and the CIA have had "some long-term interaction" with Gen Kiyani and "was comfortable with him". Interestingly, he had met Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice last November.

Gen Kiyani is no less political than his predecessor. He has been active in politics for quite sometime. In October 1999, for instance, he was the General Officer Commanding (GOC) at Murree. The GOC, Murree, acts more like a Viceroy of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and is known to take an active interest in managing the political affairs of this federally administered area.

As DG, ISI, he was part of Gen Musharraf's 'A' team, led by National Security Council Secretary Tariq Aziz, negotiating with Ms Benazir Bhutto for a political deal. He was Gen Musharraf's only aide during the hush-hush meeting with Ms Bhutto in Abu Dhabi on July 27. He was the Deputy Military ADC to Ms Bhutto and had been in touch with her even during her self-exile in London.

Gen Kiyani's familiarity with other Punjab-based political parties -- Pakistan Muslim League (Q) and Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) -- cannot be discounted either. He was involved in opening negotiations with Mr Nawaz Sharif's brother, Mr Shahbaz Sharif, in August this year.

Pakistan Muslim League (Q) chairman Chaudhary Shujaat Hussain has also been in touch with Gen Kiyani. According to The News (October 2), "the Chaudharys have been dealing with Gen Kiyani for quite sometime and they are maintaining irritant-free working relations with him.

It is interesting to note that an officer, who is supposedly apolitical, chose to invite PML(Q) leaders and other political leaders to his iftar party in Islamabad, just one day before Gen Musharraf submitted his nomination papers for the second presidential term.

Lt Gen Kiyani hails from one of the largest and most powerful clans from Gujar Khan in the Pothohar belt of Punjab, a traditional recruitment ground for men and officers even during the British times. Punjab accounts for about 60 per cent of the recruitments to Pakistan's Army.

As DG ISI (October 2004-October 2007), Gen Kiyani played an important role in unravelling the London terrorist plot in 2006. It was an ISI tip-off that led the British and the US police to foil the plot. Gen Kiyani, it is reported, worked in tandem with Western intelligence agencies for the follow-up investigations.

As the ISI chief, he was deeply involved in keeping a tab on the growing presence of Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the tribal areas and NWFP. Gen Kiyani is credited with the arrest of a top Al Qaeda operative, Abu Faraz al-Libbi, and hunting down Amjad Farooqui, one of the key suspects in the assassination attempts on Gen Musharraf.

On the flip side, it was during his tenure as the DG ISI that Waziristan and neighbouring areas witnessed increased 'Taliban-isation'. No less significant was his agreeing to release Harkat-ul Mujahideen chief Fazlur Rehman Khalil (December 2004) and Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami chief Qari Saifullah Akhtar (May 2007), two of the Afghan jihad veterans who were instrumental in reorganising terrorist strategies and operations on behalf of the ISI and the Army.

In September 2006, more than 2,600 suspected terrorists were released by Pakistan. It is also reported that many of the junior ISI officials, retired in the purge carried out by Ehsan ul Haq after September 11, 2001, have returned to the fold as contractual employees to aid the Taliban.

These men operate mainly from the ISI office in Chitral (Northern Areas), which supports terrorists launching attacks on the US, and Afghan forces in Kunar and Nuristan. Gen Kiyani as the head of ISI was certainly aware of these developments and allowed such backdoor support to the Taliban as part of Pakistan's overall policy.

Pakistan's Chiefs of Army Staff
Gen Sir Frank Messervy (August 15, 1947 -- February 10, 1948)
Gen Sir Douglas David Gracey (February 11, 1948 -- January 16, 1951)
Field Marshal Ayub Khan (January 16, 1951 -- October 26, 1958)
Gen Musa Khan (October 27, 1958 -- June 17, 1966)
Gen Yahya Khan (June 18, 1966 -- December 20, 1971)
Gen Gul Hassan (December 20, 1971 -- March 3, 1972)
Gen Tikka Khan (March 3, 1972 -- March 1, 1976)
Gen Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (April 1, 1976 -- August 17, 1988)
Gen Mirza Aslam Beg (August 17, 1988 -- August 16, 1991)
Gen Asif Nawaz (August 16, 1991 -- January 8, 1993)
Gen Wahid Kakar (January 8, 1993 -- December 1, 1996)
Gen Jehangir Karamat (December 1, 1996 -- October 6, 1998)
Gen Pervez Musharraf (October 7, 1998 -- November 28, 2007)
Gen Ashfaz Parvez Kiyani (November 28, 2007 -- present)

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