Pakistan News And Discussion-14

11-29-2007, 05:17 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/2...tml#cnnSTCVideo

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Enjoy video. People are bored, some are even laughing, person behind him can't stand still, watch his grin.
I am surprised to see Paki Army women officers in Kufir Hindu Saree.

11-29-2007, 05:42 AM

Heh...at 1:58 the Paki Abdul looks bored...and I don't think that's a sari, just that black dress they wear minus the hijab.

Naresh · 11-29-2007, 10:50 AM

[center]USD 4 Billion Tap gas pipeline project in jeopardy <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' />[/center]

ISLAMABAD, Nov 28 : The $4 billion Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan (Tap) gas pipeline project is unlikely to materialise even in the next decade owing to Russian gas giant Gazpromâs fresh agreement with Turkmenistan for increased Europe-bound gas supplies at enhanced rates, it is learnt.

Gazprom would be paying about 50 per cent higher price to Turkmenistan from next year.

Informed government sources told Dawn that Pakistan was weighing the new developments in the background of a just postponed ministerial meeting of the three countries and a revised agreement between Gazprom and Ashgabat.

The revised agreement apparently means that the Central Asian state would have little surplus gas available for export to the South Asian region.

Not only that, the price could become a stumbling block because Pakistan and India may find it âunaffordable for their economiesâ when compared with the much prosperous European region.

The sources said Pakistan was surprised to know at the eleventh hour that Ashgabat has been holding an international energy conference on the dates that were fixed for a ministerial steering committee meeting in Islamabad on Nov 27-28.

Pakistan has planned to complete the project by 2012 under a energy security plan, but the deadline is becoming beyond imagination, an official said.

The sources said under the revised understanding with Gazprom, Turkmenistan would increase gas deliveries to it to about 50 billion cubic metre (BCM).

Gazprom that delivers about one quarter of Europeâs total gas needs would now pay $130 per 1,000 cubic metres to Ashgabat early next year and then $150 per 1,000 cubic metre by the end of the next year instead of current rates of $100 per 1,000 cubic metre.

Turkmenistan and Gazprom have a 25-year gas supply agreement valid until 2028 but Ashgabat, the sources said, uses export projects like Tap to improve its price with Gazprom.

The worldâs 10th largest gas producer, Turkmenistanâs total gas output currently is slightly higher than 60 BCM a year. Last year, its total exports stood at around 45 BCM.

Since the death of former President Saparmurat Niyazov last year, the Turkmen economy is opening up for foreign investment.

His successor Gurbanguly Berdymukhammedov plans to quadruple gas output to about 250 BCM by 2030 and Ashgabat would need more than $25 billion to develop its offshore Caspian reserves.

Therefore, enough reserves are apparently not available in the immediate future for a South Asian gas pipeline, the sources said.

Already, Turkmenistan is expecting a major competition among big players like the US, Europe and China to keep Gazprom under pressure on pricing issue.

Likewise, the US and the European Union are using their influence for a pipeline that could link Turkmenistanâs yet to be developed gas fields with Europe through Turkey in what is called a southern corridor to bypass Russia.

The 1,680km Tap pipeline of 56-inch diametre needs at least 30 BCM of gas per year from Turkmenistan to Pakistan via Afghanistan.

The project cost has now been estimated at $5.3 billion. India had also been invited to join the project last year that started attending steering committee meetings as an observer.

According to the World Bank, however, âfurther progress will depend on the robustness of the gas reserves data, certification of the reserves, extent of possible private interest, ability and willingness of Turkmenistan to fulfil its commitments to Gazprom and still supply Pakistanâ.

The ability and the willingness of Turkmenistan to feed this pipeline while fully honouring its earlier commitments to Gazprom for the European and former Soviet Union markets and the extent of possible private sector interest will also remain a challenge while the sharp increase in gas prices delivered to the European markets could make the option of exporting to South Asia less attractive to Turkmenistan and thus the export price could also become a major issue.

Challenges in the Tap project also include mitigation of the security risk in Afghanistan, improvement in India-Pakistan relations, and programmes to minimise or phase out fuel subsidies in both countries and finally the ability of the pipeline options to withstand competition from liquefied natural gas (LNG) in the long run, according to the bank.

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11-29-2007, 11:47 PM

http://broadband.indiatimes.com/videoshow/2582211.cms
Confirmed, Pak build up at border.

Nareshji,

I told you. Only fools in India still believe that Pakistan want peace with India. Like always, India's leadership in comatose state.
MEA and PMO should hang their head in shame in nearest goal post.

11-30-2007, 12:45 AM

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Naresh · 11-30-2007, 02:08 AM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Nov 29 2007, 11:47 PM)http://broadband.indiatimes.com/videoshow/2582211.cms
Confirmed, Pak build up at border.

Nareshji,

I told you. Only fools in India still believe that Pakistan want peace with India. Like always, India's leadership in comatose state.
MEA and PMO should hang their head in shame in nearest goal post.
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Mudy Ji :

The following must be Etched in Stone :

A Muslim-Islamic Country can never live in Peace with a Non-Muslim Majority Country.

It is not the Followers of the Religion of Peace but their Satanic Leadership of Islamic Terrorists.

I for one have always been against the Natural Gas Pipe Lines form Iran or Turkmenistan traversing Pakistan despite Mani Shankar Aiyar and Nobel Prize winner R K Pachauri championing the cause.

In addition with Pakistanis and Bangladeshis being what they are I do not support this Indian Government having its Consular Offices Issue Hundreds of Thousands of India Visit Visas.

The Indian Government Ministers and Executive especially the âIdealistic and Utopianâ Ministry of External Affairs-Foreign Office are issuing Pakistan Hundreds upon Hundreds of Confidence Building Measures.

This is all in vain.

You have read my post of 02:44 AM dated 29-11-2007 in the Indian Military News, Know your Army, Air, Navy, etcâ¦ Thread.

This exemplifies Pakistanis Malevolence towards India and no amount of âConcessionsâ by the Indian Kaangress-Kaamunist-Kriminal-Klan will make any difference or change the Pakistani Hatred towards India in General and Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists in Particular.

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11-30-2007, 06:47 AM

Nareshji,

This âIdealistic and Utopianâ Ministry of External Affairs-Foreign Office only worry about frequent flier miles or Hafta or shopping for wife/mistress/mother-in-law. When pea brain logic comes out from that department, its no more hilarious but full of stupidity. Whether it is Mr. Q case or SFO consulate general comments or Ronen Sen sh1t talk.

Muslim can't live with non-Muslim anywhere in world. There dream about Arabia is so deep that they can make fertile land into Arabia and creates its own tribe linking with Arabia, good example is now Afghanistan, which was a very fertile land before Muslim invasion, another one is West Punjab now in Pakistan, this region was very fertile land but now its production is less than East Punjab(India). Same is happening in Bangladesh, other than rabbit like reproduction, it is converting into waste land or Bhuka Naga desh.
Even within India, Muslim had same attitude. They just can't live in civil society.

Fundoos from west and Bhuka Nanga fundoos from east are pouring inside India and foolish Indian leadership is sleeping.

Naresh · (This post was last modified: 11-30-2007, 01:36 PM by Naresh.)

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QUOTEISLAMABAD, Nov 29 : Pakistan has reached the water scarcity threshold of 1,000 cubic metres per person a year and has been ranked among the worst performers in Asia in terms of water use, capacity and quality although water has been on President Musharrafâs priority agenda for eight years.

âIn terms of water resource availability, the per capita total actual renewable water resources value reduced from 2,961 cubic metre a year in 2000 to 1,420 cubic metre in 2005â¦ and just a little over 1,000 cubic metre per year in 2006-07, fractionally over the scarcity threshold,â according to âAsia Water Development Outlook 2007â report of the Asian Development Bank.

QUOTEThe ADB advised Pakistan to increase its water sector spending to a minimum of one per cent of GDP from the current 0.25 per cent. âIn Pakistan, military spending is 47 times the expenditure in the water sector. It is a small price to pay for improved quality of life, millions of young lives saved, increased productivity and generating an economic return to boost prosperity.â

I O W : Pakistan's Annual Defence Spending is 11.75% of its GDP. Bravo!

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Shambhu · 12-01-2007, 01:37 AM

For your information: The well-informed B Raman on the well-formed but un-uniformed Dictator. Both formally and informally speaking, a B Raman, when in form, is formidable.

2. In doing so, he committed the same mistake as the late Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto, as the Prime Minister, did in 1976, when he appointed Zia-ul-Haq as the COAS after superseding two Lt. Gens. senior to him, who had the reputation of being independent and assertive. Shortly after Zia took over as the Chief, the Shah of Iran had visited Pakistan. While introducing Zia to the Shah, the flamboyant Bhutto was reported to have remarked: "Meet my new Army Chief. He is totally loyal to me. If I ask him to stand, he will stand. If I ask him to sit, he will sit. If I ask him to salute, he will salute. With him as the chief, the Army is in safe hands." Zia gave Bhutto one of his sheepish grins and saluted him. In 1977, he overthrew Bhutto and sent him to the gallows in 1979 tied to his cot
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12-01-2007, 03:16 AM

Kiyani is Unkle choice, Mushy was forced to accept him. I think other's must be more dangerous for Mushy, after all entire job brings lot of perks from Unkle.
Muslim history is full of treachery from Muhammad till now. These soldiers of Islam will and are just following religion, as Bhutto said, in Pakistan everyone behave like Aurangzeb.

In India, heart of Delhi there is road call Aurangzeb Raod, just to show middle finger to Hindus. When we will see Zia-Ul-Haq, Musharraf, Adolf Hitler and Bento Mussolini Road.

12-01-2007, 06:42 AM

Mudyji, just to add to that, we not only have streets named after him, but an entire city - Aurangabad and Bakhtiyarpur after that other infamous tyrant.

A muslim once told me, "Aurangzeb was a humble man of humble means. Do you know that he used to knit skull caps and sell them at the local mosque?"

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12-02-2007, 05:38 AM

Musharraf gets new luxury jet QUOTEIslamabad, Dec 1: Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf will now have a new executive jet which will be for his exclusive use. Musharraf embarked on a fresh five-year term as a civilian head of the country.

The 10-seat Learjet brings the number of aircraft in Pakistan's VVIP fleet to 14. It is one of three planes whose procurement was approved by former Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz.

"American pilots, who brought the jet here a few days ago, have started training their Pakistani counterparts," a source said.

The new luxury jet was about 60 million dollars.
On March 15, Aziz had flown to Uzbekistan in the Airbus-310 that was gifted by Qatar in February
How about inviting Moron Singh for joy ride?

12-02-2007, 05:41 AM

Troops seize strategic Swat peak: Fazlullah radio shut down QUOTEResidents and state television said Fazlullah's pirate radio station, from which he preaches holy war against the government, had also been shut down. "The area between Kanju and Najia Top has been successfully secured," NWFP government said in a statement.

What these guys are smoking? Any third grade can open radio station in attic.

Naresh · 12-03-2007, 12:13 AM

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QUOTEI lament that we in Pakistan, those of us whose ancestors converted to Islam, insist on denying our pre-conversion history. For us, it simply does not exist. We invent tales of imaginary ancestors having arrived in the subcontinent duly converted to the âone and only true faithâ from some place in Iran or Central Asia. Pride of place of course goes to all those who subscribe to the yarn of their ancestorsâ heroic overland trek direct from Mecca. I know of families who possess genealogical charts connecting them to prophets of yore and, in one case, even to Adam himself! <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/liar.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='liar.gif' />

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SSridhar · (This post was last modified: 12-03-2007, 09:02 AM by SSridhar.)

Nareshji,

QUOTEI O W : Pakistan's Annual Defence Spending is 11.75% of its GDP. Bravo!

Thanks for the post and for the great catch in that ADB report. The point to note here is that the US has been giving away a lot of defence equipment at a throwaway price. Possibly China is also supplying a lot of freebies. And yet TSP is spending ~12% of its GDP on defence. To this, must be added a lot of unreported and hidden expenditure. I will be surprised if the expenditure would be anything less than 20% of its GDP. Jaswant Singh, in his book, has given details on how the profligate spending on defence in the 90s laid low the TSP economy which never was in a good shape anyway.

12-03-2007, 09:06 AM

QUOTEAnd yet TSP is spending ~12% of its GDP on defence
Consider following in equation -
Pension funds are not included
Revenue from Cereals and bakery business are not included
Revenue from Bar-b-Que shops are not included
Revenue from Banks, Hotels, motels, transport companies are not included.
Revenue from drug business are not included
Revenue from Export-Import are not included.
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I think spending should be around 30% of GDP.

12-03-2007, 09:58 AM

Soldier held for blowing up music shopsQUOTEKOHAT, Dec 1: Police on Saturday formally arrested a soldier of the Swat Scouts for allegedly blowing up music and CD shops in Kohat on Friday, reinforcing fears that some extremists and militants had made inroads even into security forces of the country.

Jan Mohammad, a soldier of the Swat Scouts currently serving at the Gomal Zam Dam, was picked up by Kohat City police for blowing up shops in the area and harassing mobile and CD shopkeepers and the owner of the China Plaza on Friday.

So now Soldiers are directly working allah.

12-03-2007, 10:01 AM

Nawaz contacts BB amid party rethink on poll: Meeting slated for tomorrowQUOTEISLAMABAD, Dec 1: Pakistan Peopleâs Party (PPP) chairperson Benazir Bhutto and Pakistan Muslim League (N) leader Nawaz Sharif are expected to meet in Islamabad on Monday to discuss the poll boycott issue amidst strong signs that the PML-N might participate in the Jan 8 election.

PML-N President Shahbaz Sharif has convened a meeting of the partyâs parliamentary board in Islamabad on Tuesday to finalise tickets for the candidates, indicating a turnaround in the partyâs earlier stand of poll boycott.
QUOTEUS envoy to meet Nawaz tomorrowISLAMABAD, Dec 1: US ambassador to Pakistan Anne W. Patterson will be meeting former prime minister and PML-N chief Mian Nawaz Sharif on Monday, it is learnt. Ambassador Patterson is scheduled to call on Mr Sharif at his Model Town residence in Lahore during the day.

This will be their first meeting since Mr Sharifâs dramatic return to Pakistan on November 25 after having been unceremoniously deported to Saudi Arabia in September when he staged a comeback from an almost seven-year exile

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BB should pack her bags and run towards Castle in Surrey.

12-03-2007, 10:12 AM

The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military
By Ahmed Quraishi

This is not about Musharraf anymore. This is about clipping the wings of a strong Pakistani military, denying space for China in Pakistan, squashing the ISI, stirring ethnic unrest, and neutralizing Pakistanâs nuclear program. The first shot in this plan was fired in Pakistanâs Balochistan province in 2004. The last bullet will be toppling Musharraf, sidelining the military and installing a pliant government in Islamabad. Musharraf shares the blame for letting things come this far. But he is also punching holes in Washingtonâs game plan. He needs to be supported.
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12-03-2007, 10:16 AM

If election happen next week -

PPP will win in interior sindh, seraiki belt in Punjab and some seats in Baluchistan.
MQM will win in Karachi.
PML Q will win in punjab and some seats in NWFP.
JUI Fazl-ur-Rehman will win seats in NWFP.
ANP will take a few seats in NWFP

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