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You are right. Lal Masjid became a prestige issue for Musharraf after the Islamists from lal masjid took hostage the chinese acupuncturists. After he received a strong rebuke from china he moved in the army to take over the Lal Masjid, otherwise the pakistani military would have hardly moved a finger to crush the Islamists.
The chinese engineers who are working on a dam in PoK are being ferried under the protection of the Cobra helicopters provided by USA for fighting terror, after the local population started attacking the chinese to protest the construction of the dam in an ecologically sensitive region. This is the way American aid to fight terror is used in Pakistan.
Chronology of moments leading to Bhuttoâs death
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->--Bhutto goes to address an election rally in Liaqat Ali Bagh
--Finishes her address and gets into her car at 17:30 hrs IST.
--Two men with AK 47 fire bullets. She is injured in the head and chest.
--Simultaneously there is a suicide attack near her car.
--<b>No one goes near her car for 10 minutes fearing another explosion. </b>
--She is rushed to hospital.
-- Bhutto taken to the operation theatre.
--Declared dead at 18:16 hrs IST about 40 minutes after the attack
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Re Viren's post 182..no one goes to the car for 10 min
Hmm..Mujahideen are getting better..leaving no stone unturned. Making suicide blasts nearby to scare off people from helping AK47 victim. Muj know that suicide attack alone can never be guaranteed, see what happened last time. So better AK, but that cannot be guaranteed either, due to kufr modern science. So do a 1-2 punch and increase your chances that the victim dies of her wounds (if you are unlucky enuf to not get a clean shot in the first place).
CNN reports that sunroof was open and she was standing through it at the time.
Snipper did their job.
I think there were more than 2 different groups.
GeoTV had an animation showing that the person who shot her was pretty close to the car and they even showed his gun on the ground where he blew himself after shooting.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Senior BJP leader LK Advani said Benazirâs assassination had âshockedâ him. "The news from Rawalpindi has come as a shock to me. The former Prime Minister of Pakistan and a tall leader who for years had been struggling for restoration of democracy in Pakistan has fallen victim to a terrorist attack," he told reporters in Delhi.
"I have a feeling that the kind of talibanisation of Pakistan that is taking place is a threat to India's security also," said Advani.
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Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto waves from her car just seconds before being attacked today in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. The opposition leader died from a bullet wound to the neck after speaking at a rally in the northern city where an estimated 15 people were left dead by the explosion, a party official and Bhutto's husband have been quoted as saying. (Getty photo by John Moore)
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According to Aaj TV , doctors in ER told them that she was brought dead, she had one bullet shot on right side of temple.
People sitting next to BB heard gun shot, then bomb blast, till that time BB was ok and after that it seems she was took out by snipper.
Her body is moved to Larkana from Chaklala Airport.
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<b>Mudy Ji :</b>
You have Y-Mail!
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Coming at the close of the darkest year in Pakistan's history, the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in Rawalpindi on Thursday evening is more than merely the death of a former Prime Minister. It signals an intensification of Pakistan's internal strife and is qualitatively different from the previous bomb blasts, terrorist attacks and political crises that have beset that country in 2007. Evidence would bear this out. General Pervez Musharraf's fitful war against the jihadis or his attempt to pre-determine the outcome of national elections indicated the limits of an absolute military ruler and pointed to the range of opposition forces who wanted him out. The bomb attacks in Pakistan, particularly those on October 18 -- at Benazir Bhutto's homecoming parade -- which killed 150 people, suggested popular civilian politicians, despite their murky past and encouragement of the Taliban in the early 1990s, would perhaps have to be entrusted with the job of bringing some stability to their country. After December 27, all those calculations have been rendered meaningless. Far from being a catharsis and a new beginning for Pakistan, the national election now seems a non-starter. Certainly, after one of the favourites for the Prime Minister's job -- and one tacitly backed by sections of the establishment in both Islamabad and Washington, DC -- has been murdered, there will be many influential voices wondering what purpose the election will serve. The priorities will be quite different now.
Benazir Bhutto's assassination is the morbid climax to a 12-month period in which Pakistan has gone from being a frontline state in the 'War Against Terror' to the hottest conflict zone. A jihadi continuum from southern and eastern Afghanistan extending right across Pakistan is no longer an idea; it is a reality. After Benazir Bhutto's death, the world can no longer live in denial. It will not do to discuss Pakistan as an aborted democracy or even a failed state -- it represents the world's number one security threat. It is quite clear that the Pakistani state is incapable of controlling the crisis. It has ceded vast acres of its territory to Al Qaeda or its affiliates, especially the Taliban which is using Pakistani territory to launch attacks in Afghanistan. Given this pace -- and Benazir Bhutto's killing should only encourage the jihadis to press on the accelerator -- it is a matter of time before fanatical Islamist militias completely overrun the country and announce the birth of the Emirate of Pakistan.
Extraordinary and innovative mechanisms will have to be devised to arrest -- let alone reverse -- this trend. It has to be recognised that Pakistan's internal war is only about as local as the Spanish Civil War. This is an international conflict and if foreign ground and air troops are needed to do the job, the nominal Government in Islamabad has to be 'persuaded' to acquiesce. If the United Nations' aegis or perhaps an ad hoc label is needed for this purpose, so be it. As the new frontline state -- even if ruled by a strange Government that sees jihad as a problem for the rest of the world but not itself -- India cannot escape the spillover effect. That is why it should urge a global coalition effort to salvage the collapsing nation-state across the Radcliffe Line. It has long been said that Pakistan is a time bomb. After Benazir Bhutto's death, time has simply run out.
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From US election 2009
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->On the busy campaign trail in the United States, the presidential candidates weighed in on the situation. Former New York City mayor<b> Rudolph Giuliani </b>called the killing "a tragic event for Pakistan and for democracy in Pakistan. Her murderers must be brought to justice, and Pakistan must continue on the path back to democracy and the rule of law. Her death is a reminder that terrorism anywhereâwhether in New York, London, Tel Aviv or Rawalpindiâis an enemy of freedom."
<b>Sen. Hillary Clinton</b> added, "I have known Benazir Bhutto for a dozen years, and I knew her as a leader. I knew her as someone willing to take risks. I hope that if there is any opportunity for the government and people of Pakistan to respond to this tragedy appropriately, it would be to move more steadfastly and determinately toward democracy. She has given her life for that hope, and I know that the people of our country stand in solidarity with those who believe as we do in the rights of people to be heard at the ballot box."
<b>Sen. Barack Obama</b> said, "I am shocked and saddened by the death of Benazir Bhutto in this terrorist atrocity. She was a respected and resilient advocate for the democratic aspirations of the Pakistani people. We join with them in mourning her loss, and stand with them in their quest for democracy and against the terrorists who threaten the common security of the world."
<b>Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee</b> said, "This is devastating news for the people of Pakistan, and my prayers go out to them as we follow developments regarding this dire situation. The terrible violence surrounding Pakistan's upcoming election stands in stark contrast to the peaceful transition of power that we embrace in our country through our Constitution."
<b>Sen. John McCain</b> said Bhutto's death "underscores yet again the grave dangers we face in the world today and particularly in countries like Pakistan, where the forces of moderation are arrayed in a fierce battle against those who embrace violent Islamic extremism. Given Pakistan's strategic location, the international terrorist groups that operate from its soil, and its nuclear arsenal, the future of that country has deep implications for the security of the United States and its allies. America must stand on the right side of this ongoing struggle."
"This type of loss of life points out again the need for our nation and other civilized nations of the West and Muslim world to come together to support moderate Islamic leaders and moderate Islamic people to help them in their effort to reject the violence and the extreme," said former <b>Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am surprised Pakistan is not blaming Brahmins and Bania.
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<!--emo& --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Maybe Mush Mahashay does not want to lose the miniscule amount of credibility he has left with the Army. (no credibility left with Allah; with America not only no credibility left but rising amounts of debibility)
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Pioneer News Service | New Delhi
India on Thursday condemned the assassination of Benazir Bhutto and expressed "shock and horror" at the incident. Apprehending the possible fallout of the killing, the <b>Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was likely to meet on Friday morning to take stock of the situation in the sub-continent</b>.Â
<b>The CCS to be attended by top military and intelligence officials besides the top political leadership was likely to focus on the entire gamut of issues and ramifications related to Benazir's assassination, sources said here on Thursday. The intelligence and military officials would giver the low-down about the security situation in the wake of the assassination and steps taken to ensure security in India, they said</b>.
Condemning the incident, senior BJP leader LK Advani said Benazir was a tall leader of Pakistan who was trying to reinstall democracy in the neighbouring country. "The news from Rawalpindi has come as a shock to me. Talibanisation of Pakistan is a threat to Indian security," Advani said, offering deep condolences to the family of the slain leader.
Advani also spoke to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who shared his concern. Advani quoted the PM as saying that National Security Advisor MK Narayanan would brief him and the BJP about the entire development. The former Deputy Prime Minister said he also spoke to the Pakistan High Commissioner in New Delhi.
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they should have this meeting today itself.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>A violent history of political assassinations</b>
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Fifty-six years ago, Pakistan's Prime Minister and Muslim League leader Liaquat Ali Khan, a close associate of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, was assassinated on October 16, 1951, at Municipal Park in Rawalpindi. In January that year he had foiled a coup attempt -- the first by the Pakistani Army -- and arrested Chief of General Staff Akbar Khan along with 14 senior officers. On October 16, he was supposed to make an "important announcement" at a public rally. A man shot him twice in the chest. He was rushed to hospital where he died. The 'assassin', Saad Akbar, was lynched by the crowd at the rally. The motive behind the assassination was never established.
The founder of Pakistan People's Party and that country's most charismatic politician, Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was thrown out of power by his hand-picked Army chief, Gen Zia-ul Haq, on July 5, 1977. He was tried for "conspiring to murder" a political rival, held guilty by the courts, and executed on April 4, 1979, in Rawalpindi Central Jail. That execution has since been dubbed by the PPP and its supporters as a "judicially-sanctioned assassination".
Zia himself died in mysterious circumstances. After inspecting tanks supplied by the US at Bahawalpur, in Punjab Province, Zia took off in an American C-130 Hercules aircraft. He was accompanied by the US Ambassador to Pakistan, Arnold Raphel, and senior commanders. Soon after take-off, the aircraft flew erratically for a while and then nosedived and exploded. Nobody knows what led to the crash, but stories abound in Pakistan of bombs being smuggled onto the aircraft in a crate of mangoes, of the engines being tampered with and of mechanical failure caused by 'faulty' cables.
Benazir Bhutto is the fourth high-profile Pakistani to die a violent death.
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If we go by Paki history, After Z.A.Bhutto, Zia joined Bhutto.
Now after this Bhutto, Mushy is in line?
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Pioneer News Service | New Delhi
India on Thursday condemned the assassination of Benazir Bhutto and expressed "shock and horror" at the incident. Apprehending the possible fallout of the killing, the <b>Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) headed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was likely to meet on Friday morning to take stock of the situation in the sub-continent</b>. Â
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Reaction in US
Stock drop
Every channel is showing and saying dangerous world we live, nukes, fundoos, terrorist but our only hope is Mushy.
<b>Gold, bonds rise after Bhutto death </b>LONDON, Dec 27 (Reuters) - Gold and government bonds rose while U.S. stock futures fell on Thursday after news Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was killed in a gun and bomb attack after an election rally in the city of Rawalpindi. Financial market moves accelerated after weaker-than-expected U.S. economic data released shortly after the news. Data showed new orders for long-lasting U.S.-made manufactured goods rose by a much less-than-expected 0.1 percent during November. Gold rallied to a one-month high, reaching $834.70 an ounce. Analysts say the shock of the Bhutto news triggered a classic capital flight to assets which are considered as safe havens in times of geopolitical stress. â(Bhutto) is just a concern. The move to gold is the flight to safety and quality on the headlines on a quiet illiquid day,â said Camilla Sutton, currency strategist at Scotia Capital in Toronto. U.S. government bond prices were up 78 ticks for a yield of 4.1872 percent. Euro zone government bond prices also rose after the Bhutto news and U.S. data, paring earlier losses to standing slightly down on the day. U.S. stock futures were down around 0.3 percent, indicating a weaker open on Wall Street later. World stocks, on a MSCI measure, were up a quarter percent on the day.
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(This post was last modified: 12-28-2007, 04:14 AM by Shambhu.)
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Benazir Assasination-"what you sow, shall you reap"
27/12/2007 10:40:32 R. Ananthanarayan
The assassination of Benazir Bhutto however sad and tragic reminds of saying "what you sow, shall you reap". I vividly remember in the early 1990's during the start of the Kashmir insurgency when we had no 24/7 channels, watching Benazir Bhutto in the newstrack video, hysterically screaming from P.O.K. for liberation of Kashmir from India and calling for Jihad.
This was just 12 months before in Islamabad She promised Rajiv Gandhi after just taking over as the Prime Minister that She would closely work in promoting peace. It was the foundation for the Jihad factory laid by her in the early 90's that gave the impetus to the radical islamisation of Kashmir movement and genocide of Hindu Pandits. Much earlier in Nov 89, She had on the eve of India's Parliamentary elections condemned the Shilanyas ceremony at Ayodhya although she had no locus standi to comment on India's internal affairs especially concerning Hindu sentiments. Inspite of her Oxford background, like her Father, she to believed like most Pakistanis in the 1000 cuts policy of bleeding India slowly.
Mirwaiz Umer Farooq, Hurriyat separatist leader vindicated this when He stated in CNN IBN today that She was greatly and closely revered in Kashmir and her death was a big blow to the peace process as Pakistan would not be able to play any role given their current state.
As usual our 24/7 channels have gone into national mourning as though the tragedy has occurred in our country. Unlike what the media and politicians would like us to believe, destabilisation and break up of Pakistan probably into different states like the erstwhile Soviet Union is the best that could happen if and when it actually takes place. Once the tap of Jihad is cut from Pakistan, we would hopefully be able finish militancy once and for all like Punjab and the Muslims in the valley will then realise that their future lies within the framework of the Indian Union.
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