Pakistan News And Discussion-14

[Naresh]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Dec 29 2007, 02:31 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Dec 29 2007, 02:31 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Are they going to show what they did to BB, or praise to their biggest buddy Mushy or self gloating fest?

Today, <b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>*I was listening to Paki channel*</span></b>, it seems they keep on making lot of Muslim to Kufir, and pious muslims were asking religious person on TV that, Is it ok to have friemdly relationship with new Kufir family? They were worried about themselves will be labeled as Kuffir.
I have no idea about this concept. Lot to learn about this confused land.
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<b>Mudy Ji

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>* :</span> Shame on you!</b> <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Cheers <!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Guest]

<b>Nareshji,</b>
I was wondering, why Pakis came up with new logic on BB's death. So I have to go to source get myself enlightened by Mullah. Now I know whole story.
Lot of pious people were calling in and worried about Janat.
You have to see, she was a Shia, a woman, and killed in process of Jihad. So person, a sunni, man killed her. Now whether woman will go to heaven, as in Islam woman status is last, Question was whether killer will get 72 houris or what will happen to man status, or other 15+ who died along with killer. Now they had become impure/kufir/ they will go to Jhanum.

Heaven is polluted by shia martyr woman (worst if she having period when she died).

Pakistan Govt is trying to keep jihadi in good humor by declaring she died on her own, don't worry heaven is still pure and they will get dates, 72 houris etc in heaven.

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[Naresh]

<b>Mudy Ji :</b>

Please do not take umbrage. I was just having a <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->!

Between you and me and the door post all this 72 Virgins and 36 Boys for Male Martyrs and 72 Young Male Chippendales, Gladiators, Full Monty etc. along with 36 Maidens for Female Martyrs - no matter how Death takes the Toll - is a lot of hash drummed into Abdul the Bulbul and Abida the Burqa Clad as a method of Brainwashing them to carry out the nefarious orders of the Mullahs and other Satanic Leaders of Islamic Terrorism.

Suicide - as Personal Killing - is a Sin and so is the Killing by Humans of the Humans Created by Him.

As such the Suicide Bombers would definitely Go to Hell. As far as the Victims are concerned “The Jury is Out”!

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[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Please do not take umbrage. I was just having a !
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>Nareshji</b>,
Nah! I myself was <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->

back to serious affair.
Abduls are really worried about polluted heaven.
Currently, Abduls are told they will still go to heaven even in case of suicide, as it was done during some .....(Can’t recall names and people who did it). They are justifying it with other political killing during (677 -712) AD when discussion failed.
Mullah's are very good in justifying everything with lot of reference to pbuh and others. My Urdu is very poor, so missed lot of stuff but everything was hilarious beyond imagination.

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Rioting in Pakistan kills 38, causes tens of millions of dollars in damage ISLAMABAD, </b>Pakistan Dec 29 (AP) - Mass rioting following the assassination of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto has led to the deaths of 38 people and caused tens of millions of dollars in damage. Rioters also destroyed 176 banks, 72 train cars and 18 rail stations, Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema told a news conference Saturday adding that things were returning to normalcy and there was relative calm on Saturday. At least 100 prisoners were sprung from jails, he said. Cheema reiterated government's claim that Baitullah Mehsud was behind Benazir Bhutto's killing, despite Mehsud's denials. “We have the evidence that he is involved,” Cheema said. “Why should he (Mehsud) accept that he has done it. It does not suit him. I don't think anybody has the capability to carry out such suicide attacks except for those people.” Replying to a question Cheema said Pakistan did not need foreign help to probe the killing. “This is not an ordinary criminal matter in which we require assistance of the international community. I think we are capable of handling it,” he said. Cheema also responded to reports by Bhutto aides that the former prime minister was killed by gunshot wounds and not by the force of a subsequent suicide attack as the government said. “We gave you absolute facts, nothing but the facts,” he said. “It was corroborated by the doctors' report. It was corroborated by the evidence collected.” “It is immaterial as to how she died. What is more important is who are the people who killed her,” he said. He said Bhutto's party was free to exhume her body if they wanted and conduct a post mortem. He had said a day earlier that Asif Ali Zardari did not allow such an examination. (Posted @ 19:32 PST)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Bhutto note on party's future to be read Sunday: husband </b>LONDON, Dec 29 (AFP) - Benazir Bhutto's husband said in an interview Saturday that she left instructions about the future of the Pakistan People's Party to be read in the event of her death, which would be made public Sunday. Asif Zardari told BBC radio that the couple's son Bilawal would read out the message. <b>He also revealed that his wife had made detailed plans for her burial, including changing the location of the plot from his family's ancestral tomb to her family's mausoleum following another recent suicide bomb attack</b>. “She has left a message for the party and she has left a will, so we shall be doing that tomorrow (Sunday) after the third day (of official mourning,)” he said. “We have called for a meeting and her will shall l be read out there and the instructions she has left will be read out there.” Asked if he would succeed her as party leader, Zardari said: “It depends on the party and depends on the will.” Zardari also spoke of his personal sense of loss following the death of his wife, who he said meant “much more than life” to him. “I have seen many tragedies in my life... but nothing has devastated me more than this has,” he said. “We were always aware of the dangers she faced but somehow we were hoping that we would succeed and they would not -- the terrorists and the people who back these terrorists.” (Posted @ 16:11 PST)
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[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Benazir aide says bathed body, saw bullet wound </b>ISLAMABAD, Dec 29 (AFP) Sherry Rehman, a close aide to Benazir Bhutto and also her spokeswoman, told AFP Saturday she saw a bullet wound in the Pakistani opposition leader's head when she bathed her body after her assassination. Rehman, who said she was in the former premier's motorcade at the time of the gun and suicide attack, rejected government claims that the death was caused when Benazir's head hit her sunroof. “I was actually part of the party which bathed her body before the funeral,” said Rehman, who added that her car was used to transport Benazir to hospital. “There was a bullet wound I saw that went in from the back of her head and came out the other side. “We could not even wash her properly because the wound was still seeping. She lost a huge amount of blood.” Rehman accused the government of mounting a cover-up over Benazir's death. “The hospital was made to change its statement. They never gave a proper report,” she said. “I believe the interior ministry is saying that she died from some concussion that may have taken place against the sunroof. This is ridiculous, dangerous nonsense because it is a cover-up of what actually happened.” (Posted @ 13:00 PST)
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[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Spy eyes sight ‘democracy’ </b>
K.P. NAYAR, The Telegraph, Dec 29, 2007
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh signs the condolence register at the Pakistan embassy in New Delhi on Friday. (PTI)
Washington, Dec. 28: The spymasters in India and the US are in broad agreement that Pakistan’s army will make way for a facade of civilian representative rule — at least temporarily — if popular unrest in the wake of Benazir Bhutto’s assassination gets out of control in the coming days.

The unrest in Sindh, the Bhutto family’s home turf, is expected to be fanned in Punjab by Nawaz Sharif and in the northern areas of Pakistan by militants in the coming days with the common aim of getting rid of President Pervez Musharraf.

<b>The broadly agreed assessment on Pakistan between India and the US emerged during secret meetings a few weeks ago in New Delhi between Indian officials and the CIA’s top man at the agency’s headquarters in Langley, Virginia, dealing with Pakistan.

The CIA official stopped over in New Delhi on his way home from Islamabad, where he had gone for an on-the-spot assessment of the lay of the land after the return from exile of Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.</b>

The Prime Minister’s Office initially refused high-level meetings for the CIA official, but changed its mind after officers of the Research and Analysis Wing, India’s external spy agency, posted in Islamabad told New Delhi that the official had been granted meetings in Pakistan by Musharraf and the new chief of army staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kiyani.

According to sources knowledgeable about the meetings, Indian spymasters were unusually forthcoming in their assessment that the Pakistan army would prefer to protect its “corporate interests” by making way for a representative, civilian arrangement in Pakistan instead of taking a last stand like the Shah of Iran or Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines in the event of a showdown with the people.

The Indians gave this assessment when the risk to Benazir’s life was only in the realm of a threat. But it holds good for the scenario after her assassination.

To the surprise of Indians who spoke to the CIA official, he forecast a popular uprising in Pakistan in the short to medium run, fears of which are now more real after Thursday’s tragic events in Rawalpindi.

The Indians gathered the impression from the CIA official’s remarks that his agency and the rest of the Bush administration were not on the same page on Pakistan.

Which was not surprising because heading the Pakistan operations in the US state department and at the embassy in Islamabad are people who have absolutely no previous experience of that country.

The state department’s deputy spokesperson, Tom Casey, was today asked if there had been contacts about Pakistan with the Indians.

Casey hesitated, then said: “I believe the Indians have been talked — have been — had discussions as well.”

He quickly qualified those contacts with a rider that other neighbours of Pakistan had also been talked to, Afghanistan, for instance, so as to dispel the impression that there was something unusual going on with New Delhi.

National security adviser M.K. Narayanan gave a long television interview on Pakistan shortly after the meetings between the Indians and the CIA official, which is significant for what can be read between the lines.

He spoke of a new situation emerging in Pakistan, where Musharraf was the ultimate authority until recently.

“You have three elements now as against one single unified element in the past. Quite clearly this is going to make a difference….”

<b>Narayanan also used that interview to emphasise the importance of dealing with General Kiyani, whom he described as “a professional soldier... not a man with great political ambitions”.</b>

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[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE FOLLOWING
30 October 2007, 11:14 AM
Respected Sir K.N.Rao.Ji,
<i>I Am Also A Student Of Astrology From Karachi. Its Strange That None Of Your Student Have Taken Any Bother To Find The Correct Birthdate Of Benazir Bhutto,Where Hours & Even Minutes Can Lead To Wrong Predictions. If One Google Searches Would Know That Its 21June1953 And Not 23 June Which Has Been Posted Your In Your Article. Her Correct Date Of Birth Is 21 JUNE 1953 AT 20:15. Now According To The Horroscope Which I Have Its Of Dhanu Lagna And Tula Rashi She Is Going Through SAT-JUP-SAT Period. More Over If One Has Taken Note & Watched Her Interviews Carefully Would Know That She Is Wearing A Yellow Saphire In Her Index Finger Which Is Her Accendent Stone(Lagnesh) And Her Forth House Stone Of Comfort</i>.
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Above is written by this guy Imran

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Since yesterday evening, I am shocked and gloomed as I heard the news of Benazir
Bhutto's assassination.

Yesterday night, I could not write a single word on her chart, instead of wishing to compose a write-up. Why... I don't know. Then I thought, does it make any difference, to pen a post-mortem analysis. And justify that how correct I am. It is often too easy to write something after occurring of any event, too simple to correlate dasha/gochar with a incident that has happened. But it is not always. Specially when you admire and like someone and s/he went away too far.

What a tragic year-2007 has proved for Pakistan. The chart of Benazir Bhutto, Pakistan's varshphala and Musharraf's natal horoscope - all charts are moving in my mind. But I am unable to write anything on it.

M. Imran
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He had predicted accurately about BB and Mushy, I have to search his prediction on Mushy. He is on dot. He is very good Vedic astrologer.

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Mehsud's spokesperson</b>
Baitullah Mehsud is not involved in the killing of Benazir Bhutto. We are only against America, and we don't consider political leaders of Pakistan our enemy. It is all false Government propaganda. 

<b>Benazir's aide</b>
To hear from the Government that Bhutto fell from an impact from a bump on a sun roof is absolute rubbish. It is dangerous nonsense, because it implies there was no assassination attempt. There was a clear bullet wound at the back of the neck. It went in one direction and came out in another. The Government is trying to cover up.
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[Guest]

<img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/bbassi2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Here you can see killer, well dressed/groomed guy in dark glasses.


<img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/BBassis.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Here he is in action

<img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/bbdaughter.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Sanam Bhutto (BB's sister) and BB's youngest daughter (looks like she is suffering from leukoderma)

[Shambhu]

<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 29 2007, 02:13 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 29 2007, 02:13 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--emo&:bevil--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_evil.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_evil.gif' /><!--endemo--> Bismillah ur Rahman ur Rahim <!--emo&:bevil--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_evil.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_evil.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Our dear friend Shaikh Osama bin Laden has said that he will release yet another Most Merciful video, according to some TV channel here. Man, I can almost feel the love! No word on when the blessed premiere screening will happen.
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As per CNN, 56 min audio was released today. "Sunnis of Iraq should not fight against AlQ in Iraq, Israel will be annihilated..."

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[Shambhu]

What I admire most about ISKCON:
http://www.dandavats.com/?p=5014
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[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Dec 30 2007, 03:42 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Dec 30 2007, 03:42 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->As per CNN, 56 min audio was released today. "Sunnis of Iraq should not fight against AlQ in Iraq, Israel will be annihilated..."

That's it? I want my money back! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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It was as usual gloat fest. Empty pot.

[Guest]

<img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/bbassain3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Killer is in South East direction

<img src='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/indiaforum/bbassa4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Sun roof handle is also on East side. Amount of blood says it was bullet not hit by handle, Handle will cause internal bleeding etc or she is suffering from Osteoporosis and her bones are so brittle that her skull just gave up on low speed jerk.
Only Paki govt can come up with nonsense.

[Naresh]

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<i>* Gujarat CM’s remarks seen as cross-border support to secessionism in Sindh</i>

NEW DELHI: Indian Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Saturday sought to prick the Pakistani government by hailing the underground secessionist Jiye Sindh as an independence struggle and claiming that it would get fillip from former premier Benazir Bhutto’s assassination.

Raking up the Jiye Sindh Movement at this moment runs contrary to his own Bhartiya Janata Party’s full agreement with the Indian government only a day earlier that India should do nothing to create more trouble for Pakistan lest it spills over in India.

In Pakistan, the Jiye Sindh movement is seen as a parallel to the militancy in Jammu and Kashmir and the Indian agencies are accused of fuelling and supporting this extremist group on the same lines on which India accuses Pakistan of promoting the Kashmir militancy by pursuing a cross-border terrorism policy. Modi, who wanted to speed back to the airport after consulting the central BJP leaders on his ministry formation and a courtesy call on former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, was stopped outside the latter’s residence by reporters for interaction.

Explaining purpose of his trip to Delhi, he seized the opportunity to speak about the assassination of Benazir Bhutto to slip in hints of the Jiye Movement gaining ground in the Sindh region across Gujarat’s border.

“And yes, I want to say one thing more. I want to express my sorrow and anguish at the killing of Benazir Bhutto. This rise of terrorism in Pakistan is a cause of concern for all anywhere in the world. The whole humanity should sit up and ponder over how to fight terrorism collectively,” he said.

He went on to elaborate Gujarat’s “special relationship” with the slain leader. “We Gujaratis had a very special and distinct relationship with Benazir. Her grandfather was the Diwan of Junagadh and her father and other members of her family spent some years in Gujarat,” he said. “The Jiye Sindh movement has always been very strong, and this assassination will further fuel and strengthen it,” he added.

Over the past many years, Indian intelligence agencies are accused of aiding and abetting the movement. The government has, however, asked them a couple of weeks ago to better lie low and do nothing that fuels any kind of trouble in Pakistan that is already battling with the terrorists indulging in continuous violence.

Controversial remarks: Modi’s remarks are, therefore, seen in the diplomatic circles here as a cross-border support to secessionism in the Sindh province.

His party, BJP, has always decried anybody calling the Kashmir militancy as an independence struggle and hence his attempt to glorify the Jiye Sindh movement as aimed at independence of Sindh is bound to get a retort from the Pakistan government.

The political observers wondered if he were hinting at India backing the Sindh separatists alike Pakistan’s support to the Kashmiri militants if the BJP comes to power in Delhi in the next elections in 2009. <b>iftikhar gilani</b>

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[Guest]

Pakistan - Terror Central

[Guest]

here also, they behave like Indians.
<b>Bhutto's son, husband to succeed her </b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->NAUDERO, Pakistan - Benazir Bhutto's 19-year-old son was chosen Sunday to succeed her as chairman of her opposition party, extending Pakistan's most famous political dynasty but leaving the real power to her husband, who will serve as co-chairman.

Both major opposition parties also decided to run in upcoming elections, apparently ending the threat of a wholesale boycott as Pakistan struggles to move to full democracy after years of military rule.
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When purse is controlled by one person, rest of party had no choice but to elect even cat or dog of that house as leader.
Jiye Sind!! ho ho 10 janpath.!!

[Shambhu]

Mike Huckabee is a bigot evangelist, but sometimes he has his moments of clarity:

"660 Pakistanis crossed into US from Mexico"

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[Guest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq-DwHXx4oI
After seeing this video, we can say Mushy and his govt are Madarsa educated.