US Elections 2008 - II

[Guest]

DNC may MI reject because of funding and because Dean or loser gang is supporting Obama. They are intentionally delaying this issue. Dean-Obama is trying to make it 50-50 delgate divide.

[Guest]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...amas_rules.html

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Barack Obama has a chance of being the first black president. And holding out that special hope has been crucial to his candidacy. To deny this is self-delusion -- or deceit.

Nor is this unusual. John F. Kennedy would not have gotten 78 percent of the Catholic vote had he not been Catholic. Hillary would not have rolled up those margins among white women in New Hampshire had she not been a sister in trouble. Mitt Romney would not have swept Utah and flamed out in Dixie were he not a Mormon. Mike Huckabee would not have marched triumphantly through the Bible Belt were he not a Baptist preacher and evangelical Christian. <b>All politics is tribal. </b>

The first campaign this writer ever covered was the New York mayoral race of 1961. Republicans stitched together the legendary ticket of Lefkowitz, Fino and Gilhooley, to touch three ethnic bases. Folks laughed. No one would have professed moral outrage had anyone suggested they were appealing to, or even pandering to, the Jewish, Italian and Irish voters of New York. People were more honest then.
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[Guest]

We have seen in this thread how politics in India is similar to how it is in the US ?

This is one are where it differs..

http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives...ter-problem.php

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->For a time, it looked like the controversy surrounding the Reverend Wright would be confined to his connection to Louis Farrakhan and his Afrocentric gloss on Christianity. But the new video footage takes things a step further: <b>The problem is less that Wright sounds Malcolm X than that he sounds like Jerry Falwell crossed with Ward Churchill, calling down God's vengeance on a corrupt U.S.A., but for leftist instead of right-wing reasons</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

We do not have devout hardcore hindus invoking hinduism for leftist reasons. The way commies figure this out they will occupy Delhi. And the day BJP realises this they wont need any coalition to be in power.

[Guest]

When this thread initially started we had discussed how race, ethnicity and identity inspite of being the elephant in the room was not being discussed openly. The Ferraro incident is again an example of this. A strange case of where a society tries to appear aloof to such matters as race, ethnicity, identity etc when they are just around the corner..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...ity_politi.html

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Ferraro committed that most egregious foul in the game of identity politics. She spoke of race and gender -- but especially race -- in an unapproved way.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she said. "And if he was a woman, he would not be in this position."

Was her comment racist and deserving of denunciation? Or was she partially, if clumsily, right?

Hold that thought while we visit Adelfa Callejo, a revered 84-year-old lawyer/activist and Clinton supporter in Texas, who said last month that Obama would have trouble with Latino voters because he is African-American.

"When blacks had the numbers, they didn't do anything to support us," Callejo said. "They always used our numbers to fulfill their goals and objectives, but they never really supported us, and there's a lot of hard feelings about that."

True or false? Racist or observant?

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->As for Ferraro, her statement wasn't racist so much as it was racial. It is, in fact, unlikely that anyone else with Obama's experience -- just two years in the U.S. Senate before he began running for president -- would get this close to the White House.

There are lots of reasons for Obama's success that have nothing to do with race. But there's also this: <b>You can't separate race from who Obama is.</b>
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The article ends with..

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thus distracted, we ignore the real monster, whose name is Identity Politics.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[Shambhu]

BO has the "judgement to lead" he says. Yes, and we can see that judgement when he sat in the Wright's flock for 20 years, got married and had his kids baptised by this joker.

What I would give to be HC's campaign manager right now! Speak of juicy half-volleys outside the off stump....


"I never heard him say such things when I was in church" says BO.
Brother be trippin. I thought he gave up his stash long ago.

[Guest]

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"I never heard him say such things when I was in church" says BO. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Monday Fox is releasing video where Barack Huseein Obama is sitting and listening to one of the sermons.
Newmax had detailed old article when BHO came in with his security detail during one of the nasty sermon.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articl.../8/194812.shtml

Yesterday, BHO poll rating had dropped so low that Ramasseun are not ready to say number only they had given 4 days average and it is a tie but day before yesterday BHO lead was 8 points for 4 days.

Today is Iowa delegate convention, lets see how they vote, that will give clear picture how red state will vote.

[Shambhu]

Heh! Interesting times ahead. Even the most gullible American can see what a candidate is made of when he sits and listens patienty to a pastor curse the country he considers becoming 1st citizen of...

(Except, of course, India. Sonia, FOIL, MMS etc can spew vitriol on Bharat Mata. All *their* loyal constituents will ask is "why not more?")

[Guest]

<b>In that service, Davis says Jeremiah Wright used profanity throughout the message and referred to the "United States of White America," and "white arrongance" during his sermon - to nodding agreement by Barack Obama. </b>
this video will be out.

Another transcript is coming out where after lecture in John Hopkins, Obama said F**k Whites. He thought audio was off.

[Shambhu]

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BO said f*** whites?

Mother of all heh hehs, this I gotta watch.

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[Shambhu]

WSJ op-ed on BO and JW connection. BO seems to be a megalomaniac who thinks he is entitled to things (mush like Mucharraf); he can behave as he wants to; if the people have the audacity to hope for an explanation of the Great One's behavior, well, then people will all, quite naturally, swallow His expanations, since they come from Him (Wright compared BO to Jesus, according to FOX).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1205452770...in_commentaries

[dhu]

Maybe we can forward him the CM thesis. As long as he's going down, he might as well redeem the souls tortured by these white demons and their demon ideology christianity.

[dhu]

<!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Mar 16 2008, 06:03 AM-->QUOTE(Shambhu @ Mar 16 2008, 06:03 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->(Wright compared BO to Jesus, according to FOX).
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He is more of an anti-christ figure.

[Guest]

Surprising he is still sticking with race, he thinks people will ignore Wright's remark and believe him.
Either he had very strong backing who had promised and pumped his ego.
What you guys think, whether he can survive this strom?

[Shambhu]

Well, I have a long standing policy of not making predictions. I just hope for things to happen a certain way. Even if BO were to get the nomination, Rush and co. would make sure thay played every inflammatory video of BO oh-so-many times.

And if that "f*** whites" video comes out, BO better hope it comes out *now*. Because if it comes out after the nomination, it will be worse for him. If it comes out after he becomes Pres, it will be still worse.

[dhu]

I think he tried to run a clean campaign and is basically a good fellow. (Of course his associates eg soros and brjensji are a different matter.) He is aware of the guilt leverages that black people have used to survive in a white man's world and he was the first to apply these to the political sphere. these were explicated by the hoover institute conservative scholar shelby steele and have to do with the different survival strategies adopted by malcolm X versus MLK types.

Clintons are a trained political pit bull who started the race baiting along lines they know are ingrained in whitey's psyche. these "racist code words" can be manipulated to bring any desired outcome at a moment's notice. their society is simply structured that way (eg anti-semitism) to be instantly responsive to any propaganda. The "racist code words" video I posted went into this. Compared to these Clintonian wolves, Obama is a babe in the woods; the black man does not hold the switch to the racist code words in his hands - at most he can only weather the storm.

I think once in their lives, the blacks wanted to field their own, but they were denied once again and even accused of being racist by the whites. This will have repurcussions on American social fabric, especially as American Economic pyramid scheme is collapsing. It is all one big drama and entire world is watching. If only this drama had unfolded after Obama got elected, but clinton jumped the gun.

[dhu]

http://fora.tv/2008/01/18/Barack_Obama_and...olitics_of_Race
Shelby Steele: Barack Obama and the Politics of Race

(min 13:00 - obama's choice of church is discussed)

I would disgree with shelby in that the black experience is not something which is purposefully chosen by black people nor are blacks being disingenuous in countering the dominant culture. this is where shelby's thinking gets clouded by conservatism jargon.


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search obama antichrist. the entire culture is geared towards confusionist revelry.

[dhu]

one thing to be noticed is that sc/st's do not have a need to nurture their culture or "discover the father" in the way that shelby describes for american blacks. This is basically an indication that sc/st or other jati groups are not ideologically-oriented groups as "blacks" were made to become by western supremacist ideology.

[Guest]

Dhu,
check this out, How Obama is using race and code words ( bamboozling, hoodwink, ).
Only black understands, and he is using these term in black majority area speeches. He is exploiting race in big way and cult type of drama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y7OFLl3asg&NR=1

[dhu]

of course he is exploiting race. that is precisely the tragedy. that is all he has in the supremacist cultural matirx of the west. he is a "negotiator" in shelby's terms. these things are important to understand because this is what missionaries are attempting in India with sc/st.

[Guest]

He is using Malcom-X, MLK, Nation of Islam code.