India - China: Relations And Developments-2

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<b>China Exports May Slow, Fueling Calls to Limit Yuan</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Rising raw-material, energy and labor costs and a 6.6 percent gain in the yuan versus the dollar this year have squeezed profits, just as the outlook for demand abroad weakens, exporters say. <b>More than 2,000 shoemakers closed in Guangdong province</b>, the world's largest footwear production center, in the five months through May, according to the customs bureau.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Almost a third of 70,000 Hong Kong-invested factories in China's Pearl River Delta may close or move out this year as higher costs and cuts to export incentives bite,</b> according to Danny Lau, chairman of the Hong Kong Small and Medium Enterprises Association.

``Conditions are extremely difficult,'' Lau said yesterday. ``The renminbi's appreciation is the major factor,'' he said, using another name for China's currency.

Growth in overseas shipments eased to 22.9 percent in the first five months, from 25.7 percent in all of last year, as demand in the<b> U.S., China's second-largest export market, weakened</b>. May's surge in exports may have been because a shortened holiday added three working days to the month compared with a year earlier
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So finally, it is happening.

[Capt M Kumar]

<!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> In fact, neither India's head of state nor government have been invited, with the invitation going to its most important politician, Sonia Gandhi.

The Congress chief is unlikely to attend, leaving that job to sports minister M S Gill. But even if you are really charitable, it can't be denied that it's yet another Chinese snub of pretty large proportions, and no amount of earnest protestations from government functionaries about the wonderful state of Sino-Indian relations will change that.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Beijing...how/3233667.cms

[dhu]

Comment in the <i>Economist</i> on an article comparing Japanese record and supposed "racism" with that of western record and racism in Americas:

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July 11, 2008 04:30

the world gotta understand that Japan, copied the imperial western nations of 19th century, instituted a process of forceful assimilation on the native of territory they colonized or conquer. They impose on the native their language, reliqion, culture and others to the extent that the natire is either assimilated or exterminated.

The historical responsibilities clearly lies with the western imperial power including japan who now shamelessly claim for moral authority in the international sphere. This is particularly so with the american, french, british governments. The colonized and the conquered have much longer memory because they sufferred and the colonizer and conqueror have selective momory.

An observation to share. Not on politics. I travelled to Tibet just 3 years ago and I saw a the vibrant Tibetan culture.Monks were chanting. Tibetan costumes were seen everywhere. Tibetan language was still spoken ( i did learn a few). It is so difficult to understand if this is cultutal genocide as alleged by certain quarters.

In the same vein, will any western country ask the Japanese to quit Hokkaido in favor of Ainu? Will Australia be returned to aborigine and NZ to Maori, New Mexico, california to mexican?

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<b>Delicate dance of the emerging giants for China and India</b>

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<b>China Outlines Emergency Plan for `Extreme' Pollution </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Beijing will also shut down a further 105 polluting factories, while neighboring Tianjin city and Hebei province will close a combined 117 plants if the weather deteriorates, the ministry said. Tianjin and Hebei will also restrict driving. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[acharya]

<b> On Alibaba.com, it’s ‘open sesame’ for Indian e-business</b>

Special Correspondent

— Photo: Anand Parthasarathy

Bharadwaj “Waz” Pudipeddi, India Operations specialist at the Hangzhou (China) headquarters of Alibaba.

BANGALORE: The world’s largest Internet-fuelled business-to-business (B2B) operation — China-based Alibaba.com — has taken on a ‘desi’ tinge. Just 8 months after launching a special India Channel on its web site — the only geography singled out, beyond its home operation — it has attracted over 4 lakh Indian traders, most of them small or medium sized businesses.

Most of them have harnessed the huge visibility of the e-business portal to start buy or sell operations in the huge Chinese market as well as the rest of the world.

And quietly guiding the India operations is — an Indian, Operations Specialist for e-market place operations, Bharadwaj Pudipeddi, known to Chinese colleagues in history-steeped Hangzhou as ‘Waz’ — the closest they can get to pronouncing his name. “The India business has been Alibaba’s fastest growing operation,” he says.

And if proof were needed, that India might turn out to be Alibaba’s most canny connections, it was available for all to see, when Ansif Asharaf, was honoured as one of the world’s Top Ten e-business champions, at Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation SME summit ongoing here.

Still in his 20s, Mr. Asharaf has launched a very successful joint venture of his enterprise, Paradise International Polymers and Chemicals with a Chinese player as well as trading in Pakistan and Hong Kong.

“This is the year of the small guy, the small entrepreneur,” says Alibaba’s founder-chief executive Jack Ma. Already the largest Internet player in China, Alibaba — considered a brash newcomer even five years ago — has become an icon for the Chinese speaking people, cannily looking at successful Net players like Google, e-Bay and Amazon — and reshaping their models for the Asian psyche. Only Google remains bigger than Alibaba in the global arena, after the Hangzhou-based operation counted 25 million Chinese and 5 million global users.

“Why Alibaba? Because all over the world, from India to U.S. to Japan, they know Alibaba’s story,” says Mr. Ma. “So when we say Open Sesame everyone understands.”

[Husky]

True Greeks (Hellenes) standing up for Tibetans. Of course.
http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php
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We, who represent the oppressed Ethnic Hellenic Religion whose ancient Temples are currently managed by the Hellenic State as "archaeological" sites, declare our complete moral support for and stand in solidarity with the twelve young Tibetan activists who were assaulted by the Greek police and twenty Chinese "officials" posted within Greece, on the 10th of March 2008. It is disgraceful that such a thing should occur within the framework of a peaceful international campaign of protest. Especially when all the Tibetan activists wished to do was to burn some incense and to light the torch of freedom for their nation and their Religion from the altar of Zeus, the God who per excellence guarantees political freedom, within the sacred space of Olympia.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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<b>Xinjiang Border Patrol Attacked, 16 Dead, Xinhua Says </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sixteen officers were also injured when two men drove a dump truck into a team of police jogging outside their barracks at Kashi this morning, Xinhua said in its English-language service, citing unidentified local police. Attackers threw two grenades into the compound and also hacked at officers with knives before being arrested, the report said
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Today's attack happened in Kashi, also known as Kashgar, a city in the restive Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region near China's border with Tajikistan.
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[Shambhu]

On BBC yesterday they showed the Hamas style video of the Xinjiang jihadis in their HQ, 3-4 of them in the video, all dressed in dark green with only eyes visible. Holding AK47s, with the famous flag of islam behind them (essentially saudi flag, with the "declaration of faith" in arabic).

Then they showed a chinese woman saying that the state had taken over her property and she was not compwnsated.

Then they showed their reporter trying to meet a dissident in PRC. The dissident was kept under house arrest. Reporter went upto the gates of his compound. Guard did not let him in. Dissident called reporter on cell. Dissident was seen talking into cell and waving at reporter from his window. He said media attention to PRC is good, now world will see what we are subjected to.

Today torch came into Cheng du and it was followed immediately by a 6.0 quake.

The Party must be worried..heh

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Opening ceremony was just great, shows China pride and power. Very impressive show.

[Pandyan]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Aug 9 2008, 12:09 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 9 2008, 12:09 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Opening ceremony was just great, shows China pride and power. Very impressive show.
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It was absolutely spectacular. Does anyone know why the Chinese drummers in the beginning were wearing tilak, or was that just a subtle distinction in costume?

Anyway I noticed Indian team decked in muslim dress from head to toe. How disgusting. Only one girl was wearing a sari.

<img src='http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/images/fullimage/ver1/o/olyindia.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Will India manage to shame us even more this time by winning 0 medals for 1 billion+ people? I'm sure people have excuses lined up already.

[dhu]

Rediff had an article that the Indian women's team could not even manage to coordinate their dress styles. Sania and partner were in black. Then there was the green sari, and I suppose a few others. Of course, madame was also there in official capacity, she graciously rose to wave to her subjects. Manmohan was presumably holding down the fort back in Delhi. Afleast he had his chance to ride with madame during the olympic torch seige in Delhi, barracaded inside an Ambassador, while tibetans and supporters were bashed in the streets.

[dhu]

Going by the profile and chinese script, the video appears to be work of a chinese national.

<b>Chinese Communist Party Destroyed Traditional Culture -1 (video)</b>

my comment:

Communism is still in infancy compared to the # of native cultures destroyed, demonized, and degraded by
1. Christianity (missionaries)
2. Islam
3. Western "Secular Democracy".
These iconoclastic and intolerant ideologies have committed continental scale genocides and destroyed 90% of the world's cultural diversity, attempting to homogeneize society in the images of their prophets (of love, peace, & equality). Shame on the ideologues and believers who promote these genocidal narratives

[Shambhu]

<!--QuoteBegin-dhu+Aug 11 2008, 10:48 PM-->QUOTE(dhu @ Aug 11 2008, 10:48 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Going by the profile and chinese script, the video appears to be work of a chinese national.

<b>Chinese Communist Party Destroyed Traditional Culture -1 (video)</b>

my comment:

Communism is still in infancy compared to the # of native cultures destroyed, demonized, and degraded by
1. Christianity (missionaries)
2. Islam
3. Western "Secular Democracy". 
These iconoclastic and intolerant ideologies have committed continental scale genocides and destroyed 90% of the world's cultural diversity, attempting to homogeneize society in the images of their prophets (of love, peace, & equality). Shame on the ideologues and believers who promote these genocidal narratives
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Bush said in his China/Thailand/etc trip that "these countries have nothing to fear from religion" or something like that. "Religion", of course, is christian"ity". He probably thinks all the inquisitions, temple-destruction, infidel/unbeliever killing was done for "good" ie was done to stop "evil". I would not attribute and morality to this piece of ****, his morality template itself is what the "good" Soldiers of The Cross did. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> Just as the template of morality for muslims is based on what mohamed did. <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[Shambhu]

Xinjiang separatists have struck 2 more times in the recent weeks (since that first killing of policemen).

[acharya]

http://www.56.com/u29/v_MTgwNzE2MTA.html

bollywood in chinese

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<b>China seeks public trust amid milk scandal</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->BEIJING (AP) — China's leaders scrambled Saturday to contain public dismay over widespread contamination of milk supplies, castigating local officials for negligence while moving to tamp down criticism of the government's response.


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<b>Recalls of Chinese-made dairy products widened Saturday to Japan, which followed the lead of Singapore, while more products were recalled in the self-governing Chinese territories of Hong Kong and Macau. Starbucks stopped offering milk in its 300 outlets in China.</b>

In the 10 days since the government revealed that Shijiazhuang Sanlu Group Co. sold tainted milk powder and infant formula, sketchy details have exposed one local government cover-up as well as the sale of contaminated milk by China's biggest dairies, many of them state-owned.
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<b>Used in making plastics, melamine is high in nitrogen, which registers as protein in tests of milk.</b> Though health experts believe ingesting minute amounts poses no danger, melamine can cause kidney stones, which can lead to kidney failure. Infants are particularly vulnerable.

<b>Some of the farmers who sell milk to Chinese food companies are thought to have used melamine to disguise watered-down milk and fatten profit margins thinned by rising costs for feed, fuel and labor</b>
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[acharya]

Wen Wei Pao, Hong Kong
<b>
Beijing Is More Self-confident
in its Relationships with the U.S.
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By Wen Wei Pao Op-ed

Translated By Alan Wong

Sept 27, 2008
Hong Kong - Wen Wei Pao - Original Article (Chinese)

Beijing Is More Self-confident in its relationships with the US

“Many people ask me what I think of the Sino-U.S. relations after the U.S. Presidential election. I told them that no matter who becomes the next president, we hope to continue and develop our relationship with the U.S. in a constructive nature. At the same time, we believe that no matter who occupies the White House, the Sino-U.S. relationship has to move forward, instead of going backward.” China’s Premier Wen Jiabao said in New York. Beijing expressed its confidence in its relationship with the U.S. In fact, Premier Wen Jiabao’s statement tells us that China is confident in itself, instead of in the next U.S. president.

According to the past Sino-U.S. relationships, when there’s a new administration at the Whitehouse, the Sino-U.S. relationship will fall trough, and then start all over again. What about this time? It probably won’t happen, because China is confident in itself.

China is Full of Confidence in Its Relationship with the U.S.

China is quiet about the U.S. Presidential election. Obviously, Beijing can’t state its favorite, but it certainly has one in its mind. Generally speaking, if the Republican candidate John McCain wins in November, he would continue President Bush’s policy with regard to China. Beijing and Bush have developed a good relationship, so Beijing probably will not oppose McCain. Naturally, Bush’s unilateral policies are not the policy Beijing wanted. However, from the war in Iraq and Afghanistan to the latest financial crisis, the U.S. has become weaker, and Beijing doesn’t mind that at all.

However, the current financial crisis is disadvantageous to the ruling Republican Party, and by contrast, advantageous to Democratic candidate Barrack Obama. So, how would Beijing view Obama? The other day, Obama attacked McCain for his position on China. He said McCain is responsible of “China’s unfair trade behavior”. Obama has put out the latest campaign ads regarding China in battleground states in Pennsylvania and other states. The ad says since Bush took office, the trade deficit with China has gone up, and the U.S. has lost 1.7 million jobs as a result.

However, China remains calm and pretends nothing has been said. In the past, both the Republican and Democratic Party attacked China when Presidential election came round. There’s less attack on China this time around. In 2000, when George Bush was running for President, he described China as a “Strategic competitor”. However, at the end of President Bill Clinton’s second term, he wanted to improve U.S.’s relationship with China; he wanted the China to become a “Strategic partner” of the U.S. Despite facing criticism President Bush was determined to attend the Beijing Olympics, this shows the importance of China-U.S. relations.

When It Comes to working with the U.S. the key is Strength.

Although Obama is playing the “China Card”, during his campaign, he said that he would visit China as soon as possible and emphasized its importance. There is a sub group called “Chinese-Americans support Obama” in Obama’s campaign. It states that Obama will not demonize China; that he will have open dialogues with China; that he will seek to establish a balanced economic relationship with China; that he will urge China to play the role of constructive partner on the energy and environmental issues; and that he will be eager to establish a relationship with China and make sure China will rise peacefully.

Obama emphasized the importance of the one China policy and said that he will establish good relationships with China and Taiwan. He said that the two sides should maintain a peaceful, open dialogue attitude to solve their differences and should make sure there aren't any military conflicts between them. Obama, on the one hand wants to solicit Chinese Americans’ votes, on the other hand wants to send Beijing a message. Presidential candidates saying good things about China shows something has changed in the China-U.S. relationship.

Premier Wen Jiabao’s statement on Sino-U.S. relationship should give people some perspectives on how the Chinese leader looks at the future Sino-U.S. relations. Premier Wen Jiabao is confident of China's relationship with the U.S. In fact, Beijing is more confident than ever when it comes to dealing with U.S. Presidents. Confidence is the key.
Perhaps when Obama becomes President, he won’t bring changes to the Sino-U.S. relations, but to the U.S.

Clearly, the U.S. is starting to rely on China more.

[Husky]

http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/11/com...water-wars.html
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nov 4th, 2008

china's diversion of the brahmaputra will happen in this context, and is reason enough for war.

http://viewswire.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=...1613834346&rf=0
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http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/11/mor...water-wars.html
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nov 4th, 2008

i take this to mean the chinese strongman told this blighter that the brahmaputra diversion is on track and that he could go jump in a lake.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Brahma

    See last paragraph in this story:

   

    Finally, Pranab calls China a challenge

    5 Nov 2008, 0220 hrs IST, Indrani Bagchi, TNN

   

    NEW DELHI: The rise of China is a strategic challenge to a rising India. After years of dancing around this central factor in India's foreign policy, foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee, for the first time, has described China as a security "challenge and a priority", but significantly not as an opportunity.

    India, said Mukherjee, would have to develop "more sophisticated ways of dealing with these new challenges posed by China".

    Addressing the National Defence College on Monday, Mukherjee outlined India's security challenges. "To my mind, the foremost among these would be (a) to cope with the rise of China; (b) maintenance of a peaceful periphery; and © managing our relations with the major powers."

    Shorn of the excitement of the $60billion bilateral trade figures and a "strategic partnership", Mukherjee described the current phase of India-China ties in stark terms, calling it only "a somewhat normalised relationship".

    Ten years after Atal Bihari Vajpayee blamed China's proliferation activities as one of the reasons for India going overtly nuclear, India is again articulating its concerns. In the meantime, the world has changed, as have both India and China. As a homogenous and focused China powered ahead in economic development, funnily enough, so did heterogeneous and chaotic India, to the extent that both countries are now being seen by the world as the twin engines of global growth. But with its growth trajectory intact, fears are growing in many parts of the world that China's rise may not always be "peaceful" as its leadership promises.

    Mukherjee said, "We are today faced with a new China. Today's China seeks to further her interests more aggressively than in the past, thanks to the phenomenal increase of her capacities after 30 years of reforms. There are also new set of challenges which China poses such as the strategic challenge as China develops its capabilities in outer space; the geopolitical challenge as it reaches out to various parts of the globe in search of raw materials and resources."

    India is not yet fully equipped to deal with the challenges that China poses. For instance, during his return flight from Beijing last week, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told journalists that his conversation with Chinese president Hu Jintao focused a lot on the future of trans-border rivers. While India does not articulate this concern often, it's clearly very high priority.



    From: Rajeev Srinivasan
    Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:24 AM
    Subject: the coming water wars

   

    nov 4th, 2008

    china's diversion of the brahmaputra will happen in this context, and is reason enough for war.

    http://viewswire.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=...1613834346&rf=0
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<b>Arunachal boundary is illegal, angry China tells India</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Beijing, November 11: China on Tuesday angrily rejected India's assertion that Arunachal Pradesh is its integral part, insisting that Beijing never recognised the ‘illegal’ McMahon Line and that the status of the border state was ‘never officially demarcated’.
Deeply regretting External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee's statement that Arunachal Pradesh was part of India, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said New Delhi has not taken into account the ‘historical facts’.
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What happened?? What happened to love affair?? PMO had given full right to Chini to run PMO and now ...........