The key thing was that California textbooks were found to misrepresent Hindus in a hurtful manner. As a remedy State of California will revise the textbooks and CAPEEM will be part of the reviewers.
While establishing this a lot of big guns were found to be thundering. Eg. Michael Weasel, Farmer et al. A whole lot of peole exposed their bias in the hearings.
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They also uncovered the FETNA ( LTTE ) link
And a lot of hindu parents discovered the anti-hindu nature of hindu secularists among the NRI and southasians
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While establishing this a lot of big guns were found to be thundering. Eg. Michael Weasel, Farmer et al. A whole lot of peole exposed their bias in the hearings.
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<b>As a remedy State of California will revise the textbooks and CAPEEM will be part of the reviewers</b>
Thats the only thing that matters
Wiki on FETNA and textbook issue
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California Hindu textbook controversy
FeTNA was actively involved in the Californian Hindu textbook controversy, in which it joined a number of other groups in successfully petitioning California's Curriculum Commission to reject allegedly revisionist edits to California's textbook curriculum on Hinduism and India, as suggested by the Hindu Education Foundation and the Vedic Foundation. FeTNA raised several specific objections about the proposed textbook revisions, which they felt sidelined the role of South Indian and Dravidian culture (history, language, and religious traditions), and allegedly "whitewashed" caste and gender discrimination in India.[16] (See main article Californian Hindu textbook controversy for details.)
Upon rejection by the Board of major proposed edits, a jubilant Thillai Kumaran, then President of FeTNA, dismissed the pending lawsuit by the Hindu organizations. âThreats of legal action are a clear sign of desperation on the part of the Sangh organizations; these organizations are perhaps not aware that the Board deals with dozens of lawsuits at any given time and cannot be cowed by such threats.â [3]. Thillai Kumaran, a concerned parent, mentioned his lower-caste origins during his testimony [4], mentioned that his son, who attend Middle School in California, did not feel insulted by the textbook's contents on Hinduism.
[edit] Support for caste-based reservations in India
In a statement FeTNA has supported caste-based reservation in India to 49.5% of the available seats in institutes of higher education and jobs [5]. It has been critical of the demonstration again the proposed increased in reserved seats. The Tamil Nadu state of India already reserves 69% seats for specific castes.
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While establishing this a lot of big guns were found to be thundering. Eg. Michael Weasel, Farmer et al. A whole lot of peole exposed their bias in the hearings.
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<b>As a remedy State of California will revise the textbooks and CAPEEM will be part of the reviewers</b>
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This is very great achievement even though original goal of reverting already published books was not achieved as that may involve a lot of complexities to fight.
Congratulations to Arvind and other CAPEEM team members.
God we missed him (her?). (s)He's back!! Irffan:
WE ESCAPED JAIL! Indology Experts Celebrate Victory in California Donkey Trial
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People are howling over Donkey Trial. FOSA is doing victory dance.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>CAPEEM exposes church connection</b>
India Abroad June 19, 2009 article by George Joseph is a revelation. (pdf
copy will be sent on email requests).
CAPEEM's Harvard Donkey Trial is not all about facts on hindu civilization.
The article has a section heading: "Miracle is not a fact." It also notes:
âCAPEEM uncovered an email exchange between <span style='color:red'>Rae Belisle, the legal counsel of the Department of Education, and the pastor of a church, to determine the content of the disputed textbooks, in which the legal counsel stated that the California standards require the textbooks to be consistent with the New Testament.</span>â
CAPEEM should be congratulated for bringing out these facts. When someone
approached CAPEEM for the full transcripts, the request was refused citing a
confidentiality agreement with Witzel. Why is the Harvard Professor so
secretive? Do the laws of Harvard inhibit transparency in an academic
institution?
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Came via email.
We always knew the guy was no scholar but a hack and tool for missionary forces.
Thanks to Capeem, it's all in public now. Let's see if he can weasel out of this for future.
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This is a compendium sample of 4 emails involving Witzel, discovered during Harvard Donkey Trial.
These emails are doing the rounds on the internet.
Three of the emails show that Witzel and his asistant Farmer coordinated their activities with a church in Colorado. <b>The fourth email proves that Witzel is a White Supremacist who has stereotyped all the people of Uttar Pradesh as "proud and empty." This is typical Nazi attitude.</b>
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Read
Witzel's deposition here
Witzel tried to keep this under wraps. Why? What's he trying to hide? Ridicule from peers more than anything else?
Capeem refused to part this due to legal obligation, but it's available to anyone via court direct. Here it is, our thanks to one member.
Read Witzel's racism: people of UP can be proud and <i>empty</i>.
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Witzel's deposition here
Witzel tried to keep this under wraps. Why? What's he trying to hide? Ridicule from peers more than anything else?
Capeem refused to part this due to legal obligation, but it's available to anyone via court direct. Here it is, our thanks to one member.
Read Witzel's racism: people of UP can be proud and <i>empty</i>.
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His deposition exposed, church is running Dalit Freedom Network and Church was involved in Hindu content.
By the way Homi Bhaba is Parsi, why these guys even gets involved in Hindu matter?
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His deposition exposed, church is running Dalit Freedom Network and Church was involved in Hindu content.
By the way Homi Bhaba is Parsi, why these guys even gets involved in Hindu matter?
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THey want to make Hinduism as a product of the Judeo Christian religion and derived from the western world.
They are saying that Hinduism is not a seperate religion but a cult promoted and controlled by the Christian Church.
The global image and content of Hindusm is controlled by the Chruch and the western world. All this due to work done during the colonial days.
<b>The First Conference of Micheal Witzel of Harvard University!</b>
Vedaprakash
vedamvedaprakash@ xxx.com
It has been again Sanskrit College , Chennai. The date is July 6, 2009 on the eve of Gurupurnima[1]! There is a meeting arranged by the Sanskrit College inviting the Sanskrit Professor of Harvard University . However, the websites[2] declared it as a "conference" !
Dr N. Mahalingam gave the welcome address introducing the speaker Michael Witzel (hereinader mentioned as MW) as the suitable person to address the gathering at the Sanskrit College . He is 66, born in Germany and got Ph.D at the age of 29 and thus, the Sanskrit College Committee member Mahalingam went on eulogizing the so-called Sanskrit Professor of Harvard University . He says Witzel daily recites Rigveda but we Indians have forgotten Rigveda[3]. As he and been expert in different fields as "his knowledge has expanded widely". Rigveda has 4,32,000 soundsâ¦â¦Tilak dated it to 8000 BCE, but its date could even go before it, though the western scholars do not accept. The British declared tat Rama and Krishna were not historical persons. L. D. Swamikkannu Pillai meddled with Indian chronology at the behest of the British, But Prof Srinivasa Raghavan of Vivekananda College with his astronomical methods fixed date of many important historical events. Both Sanskrit and Tamil are the ancient languages and every person, who knew Tamil, knew Sanskrit also some 200 years ago. After the British period only difference had cropped up in the name of Sanskrit and Tamil. Tolkappiyam has been the most ancient extant Tamil work, One American writer â Frank Joseph has written book on Lost Lemuria, who locates in South East Asia region that submerged some 54,000 YBP. Thus, recently, there had been a lot of research that brought out many important facts. He requested Witzel to go into these details in his linguistic study of the ancient languages.
Next Dr Sankaranarayanan introduced the topic of the subject o be dealt with by MW. He was the right person to talk there on two accounts â
1. He was the Sanskrit professor from the Harvard University and
2. He had chosen the topic on "Rigveda and its language"[4] (perhaps, culture and civilization also).
After listing out his membership, briefing his academic profile etc., asserted that he was the right person to talk about the topic. He pointed out about MW's work "Kataranyaka" , a rare work. Earlier it was part of Indian drama and was there in every village, but now it disappeared. Taittreya Upanishd should be read to understand it. He asked MW to present a copy of the book to the KSRI library. Reciting a sloka on Max Mueller that says that Max Mueller was a Mokshamular, he changed it by inserting MW's name, thus making him another such specie coming from Harvatika! The date of Rigveda cannot be decided as to whether it was 1000 BCE or 1500 BCE etc. It cannot be said definitely as belonging to pre-Harappa, Harappan or proto-Harappan period. Sanskrit was new, though it was old. The word "Sanskrit" was never used to denote a language till 600 CE. It was always used as adjective, till Dandi used it to denote a language. In fact, the language of Indian should be mentioned as "Bharati", as the language of England is English, France French, the language of Bharat should be Bharati! Amarasimha says, "Brahmi Bharati". In a partigular type of yagna, "Bharati" is invoked several timesâ¦â¦.. It has to be noted that the Sanskrit inscriptions were found throughout India unlike other Indian languages. MW would then talk about the culture. "Culture" connotes properly cultivated behaviourâ¦... There should be inward perfection for good cultureâ¦â¦.., as external perfection may not exhibit true characterâ¦â¦â¦. Then, comes "civilization" , as it is "civilized status with civilized behaviourâ¦â¦â¦.
The compere intervened to announce as MW was preoccupied and there was shortage of time, there would not be any question answer session. He says that the e-mail of MW would be given and he would answer any question raised by the audience.
Michael Witzel then started his "conference" : "I am happy to be hereâ¦â¦tomorrow is Gurupurnimaâ¦and we have to remember our teachersâ¦I studied in Allahabad during 1945-37 under my teachersâ¦..Now, here, I will not talk politics and whatever I say, you may not agree with me, but still you ask questions, I may not answerâ¦.You may have other opinion also. As India has many sampradhayas[5], you can treat my views as another sampradhayaâ¦â¦â¦.you may not agree with me, but kindly listen to me. If you have anby questions, I shall answer.
"My study is based upon the inter-disciplinary approachâ¦â¦.the so-called Aryan invasion is outdated. It is a political discussion, but I would not talk about it. My discussion is based on the facts from the Rigvedaâ¦.the scientific data derived from itâ¦I do not think any genetic expert is here, but my study is based on such scientific principles also. There could be scope of misunderstanding about my theory with limitations, but we have to come to consensusâ¦â¦no doubt Rigveda has antiquity, it is an ancient hymn collection of bronze age. It is bronze age text and not of iron age o stone ageâ¦â¦.
"Another point may be agreed by you that the Rigveda was composed by the Rishis. It was composed with a particular type of poetics and alankara using specific syntax. The text was composed accordingly. Rigveda has geographic limits (showing a map covering north-east Punjab area and some parts of Haryana)â¦â¦â¦..In Afghanisthan also there is a Sarayu, but not that of Ayodhya.
"Rigvedic Sanskrit is not Paninian Sanskrit or Kalidasa Sanskrit. And not even Atharvavea Sanskrit. Linguistics has changed several times during the course of times and accordingly the words too connote differently during different timesâ¦..(he explained with certain words)â¦.."Gachathi" has different connotationsâ¦â¦.(his speech is not clear and he was not keeping the mike properly, though repeatedly he was asked to keep it as the audience was not able to listen to him)
"Different languages were spoken in India â¦.Para-munda in the northern India covering Punjab , Kashmir areasâ¦â¦.Munda in MPâ¦.(showing a map). Rigveda has a pluralistic language and it could be understood with certain tricksâ¦..If Sanskrit is read differently, we could understand Avestha also.
"Let us take the expression "Father Heaven"â¦..it has same pronunciation in different languages. Pitram-pitrem- pitrea-piter and so on. Similarly hasti-haesti- asti-esti- sti-is (he/she/it is) comes like this. So also "They are" can be explained. This pattern is found in he evolution of languages as in IE-EIE-IIrâ¦(showing a PP diagram). Thus, we have two categories of languagesâ¦â¦
1. pre-Vedic â proto-Iranian and
2. Rigvedic âAvesthan
"Jed-sa-zd-ai etc.
Mazdai-zdai- sede-
This has been the linguistic sampradhayaâ¦â¦â¦(he was obviously skipping the explanation) . On the top of the Himalayas , certain words are used and they are not used on the plains. And these words were coming from tropical climatic areasâ¦â¦.The poetic-alankara used has been close to the Greekâ¦â¦..
"Coming to the Soma plant, it is located in Central Asia near Tajikistan and it came to Iran from Central Asia and then to India . In the words,Yama-yam⦠also such migration could be noted. People were living in more populated and less populated areas / clusters. The higher level of religion was dominated by the Brahmins and Kshatriyasâ¦â¦then comes Daas / Dasyus and they were accommodated accordinglyâ¦â¦â¦City formation had been there accordinglyâ¦. .Recent archaeological evidences of Haryana also show such pattern.
"Different language groups existed thus in different areas (showing a map through PP). Dravidian laguages were spoken in the Souther area (showing the four states â Tamilnadu, AP, Kerala and Karnataka), "Former Dravidian areas" (showing Maharastra), Indus (Sindhu area), Lanuage-X (UP), Khasi ( Assam ), â¦â¦.."Former Austro-Asiatic Areas?" (was shown in between the UP and MP from IVC / Rajasthan to Orissa)â¦..
"The Sanskrit speaking people were moving with cattle having interaction with othersâ¦â¦Thus the names of the Kings mentioned have been local namesâ¦â¦At the end of Rigveda, it is interesting to note what happenedâ¦â¦â¦
"Coming to the so-called Siva or Pasupathi (showing the IVC seal[6], M-304), actually it is not known what is this deity. How the IVC people called him, we do not know. He â the horned god - is surrounded with four animals and there has been another figure where "a hunter killing a water buffalo in front of a seated horned deity" (Kenoyer[7]). There has been another seal where "a man fighting short horned bull" (Kenoyer[8]). You can see similar figure from Denmark also (showing the photo of Gundestrup Cauldron[9], though he did not mention so). Here also he is surrounded with four different animals If you compare both (showing both figures side by side with IVC seal inverted), we can say, he is not Siva, but some other deityâ¦.. This is Mahishashuramardhin i. It is not known how the Mahishashuramardhin i appears in Hinduism later. Think about it. Is there any link?
"The people followed both burial and crematory practicesâ¦â¦â¦â¦..
"There is another figure where inside a female, a human figure is shown (showing a seal), perhaps spirit. Its significance has to be studied.
"Now genetic methods are applied to find out the details. Suppose, if your saliva is taken and tested, details would be known to tell who is your father, mother etc. But I do not know how many of you know geneticsâ¦â¦Recently, some Indian scholars have brought out data on such genetic studies about the people of India . Their data represented show that the south Indian tribals and Kashmir Brahmins belonged to the same stock. But still, you can find some groups are left out or fall outside the pattern represented. Who are those people? They are from Assam , Nagas and others.
"The picture about the IVC and the Rivedic people has been complicated. Data and information can be obtained from different fields, but they have to be studied together carefully.
"So I stop here and I would like to answer two three questions, if any one audience would like to do so".
At that time, K. V. Ramakrishna Rao came to the podium and asked the following specific questions by way of clarification. Meanwhile, seeing him Iravatham Mahadevam started insisting that the questions should be short[10]. Anyway, introducing himself, he asked the following questions:
1. There has been a Bongozkai inscription dated to circa 1450 BCE which specifically mentions about a treaty in which the people invoked the so-called Vedic gods or the Rigvedic gods as mentioned by you according to your sampradhaya[11]. How you correlate and corroborate them linguistically, archaeologically, and chronologically with your sampradhaya?
2. You have shown two pictures one from IVC and another from Denmark and telling that the so-called deity represented is not that of Rigvedic, though the deity is surrounded by the animals. How could you differentiate it from your sampradhaya and Indian sampradhaya?
Micheal Witzel started answering, but he could not even name the so-called Vedic gods mentioned and Rao was naming as â "Indrasil, Mitrasil, Varunasil, Nasattyas". He accepted that they were Vedic gods, though the Mittanic people were invoking them after their gods and the language used was like Vedic Sanskrit only. Of course, there is chronological gap.
Rao was asking about the correlation â pointing out how the Soma drinking, Rigvedic Sanskrit speaking people migrating from Central Asia to Iran to India could mention about such deities, how the Mittanis?
N. Mahalingam intervened and telling that there should not be discussion and Mahadevan was urging to wind up. But Rao was responding that it was important because Indians had been told about such stuff again and again for the last 60 years. He insisted that his e-mail should be given as promised and his full text of the paper also made available for discussion. When Iravatham Mahadevaninterved that it was not possible, Rao requested that at least Michael Witzel could send a copy through e-mail. Micheal Witzel was seen nodding his head and he gave his visiting card to Rao.
Of course, he did not answer the second question. In fact, one person from the audience reminded about this, but the organizers did not care.
The compe're again intervened and proceeded to thanksgiving.
Then, Dr Deviprasad, the Principal of Sanskrit College talked to point out that the Riugvedic culture cannot be separated from the Indian culture. It is the Indian tradition that worships trees, rivers and mountains even by deification. Of course, the westerners interpret differently. He added that Michael Witzel had not completed his speech and in fact, he might take few hours to complete his talk!
Thus the meeting / Conference was over!
While coming out I saw Haran and another were distributing four-page handout about Michae Witzel (while entering I saw Haran and Radha Rajan were arguing with the police). So when I enquired with the police, the organizers had given a complaint asking for protection of the speaker. When I told them that those who had come there were educated and elite and not of such category as apprehended. I told that the speaker was telling that Siva is not Indian god and so on. The officer retorted, "Is it so? How then that IAS officer Iravatham Mahadevan was keeping quite? He knows everything". The police informed that they had not obtained permission to stage demonstration against the meeting. The officer added that every body has a right to demonstrate, but they should have obtained prior permission.
Note: This has been prepared based on the notes noted down during the meeting. There are some points to be clarified. And therefore, certain points may be added or amended accordingly later.
Vedaprakash
07-07-2009
[1] Can it be considered as "Teacher's Day", the real "Teacher's Day?
[2] Some "Asiatic" website. In fact, it declares that Micheal Witzel would be participating in three conferences to be held in India !
[3] Is not the shame for Indians to confess so. Who has told Indians not to recite Rigveda daily?
[4] In fact, the full title of his paper or talk was not known, as nothing was mentioned about it.
[5] Sampradhaya is used as equivalent to tradition, traditional way of practice etc., but it might be using in the sense of "methodology" .
[6] Jonathan Mark Kenoyer, Ancient Cities of the Indus Valley Civilization, Oxford University Press, Karachi, Pakistan, 2000, p.112, fig.6.18.
[7] Ibid, p.114, fig.6.24.
[8] Ibid, p.115, Fig. 6.25, a.
[9] Myles Dillon, Celts and Aryans, Indian Institute of Advanced study, Simla, 1975, Picture.7. It is mentioned asa the Horned God (Cernumnos?) as Lord of Animals (Pasupathi).
[10] When he asked Asko Parpola last year, why his paper was prevented by Michael Witzel, whether he was presenting the same paper that he presented at Tokyo , though Asko Parpola started to answer, Iravatham Mahadevan prevented Parpola to tell the details under the pretext of shortage of time and declaed to wind up the meeting!
[11] As the expression "Sampradhaya" was used by MW repeatedly to assert his interpretation over others and insisted that his way of interpretation should be accepted by the Indian Pundits, obviously he was using such expression.
Weasel and co gets their behind kicked yet one more time.
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> ON THE EMIGRATION OF A SECTION OF THE VEDIC PEOPLE FROM NORTH-WEST INDIA TO
> WESTERN ASIA
> B. B. Lal
> Former Director General
> Archaeological Survey of India
>
> My attention has been drawn to a review of Chapter 6 of my book, *How Deep
> are the Roots of Indian Civilization? Archaeology Answers,* by Dr.
> Francesco, posted on the Web-site âIndo-Eurasian_ research@ yahoogroups. comâ,
> dated October 28, 2009. Dr. Francesco opens the review by quoting from his
> mentor, Professor Michael Witzel, wherein the latter says: âIt is surprising
> how an established archaeologist [referring to me] can be so *naïve*, in his
> *old age*, about facts from outside his field (palaeontology, genetics,
> texts, linguistics) and still loudly proclaim his ârevolutionaryâ result
> (also in his latest book âThe Sarasvati Flows Onâ.â To this Dr. Francesco
> adds his own flavor: âIndeed, this new chapter in Lalâs conversion to
> *Hindutva-oriented
> historical revisionism* betrays, at minimum, a very naïve approach to
> historical an linguistic facts â¦â.
>
>
>
> Professor Witzel is well known for making such unsavory personal remarks.
> For example, at a seminar organized by UMASS, Dartmouth, in June 2006, when
> I drew the attention of the audience to the learned professorâs wrong
> translation of the a very crucial passage from the *BaudhÄyana SÌrautasÅ«tra,
> * which is the main subject of the discussion by Dr. Francesco, Professor
> Witzel shot at me by saying that I did not know the difference between Vedic
> and Classical Sanskrit. He had to be told that I had the privilege of
> obtaining in 1943 my Masterâ Degree in Sanskrit, which course included a
> study of the *Veda*s, and that I had obtained a First Class First from a
> first class university of India, namely that of Allahabad. I have already
> referred to this incident in my Inaugural Address delivered at
> 19thInternational Conference on South Asian Archaeology, held at the
> University
> of Bologna, Ravenna, Italy, July 2-6, 2007, which is duly published.
>
>
>
>
>
> I do not propose stooping down to the low level of these learned scholars.
> At the same time it must be said that this particular type of debating
> technique is adopted by these scholars with a view to intimidating the
> opponent on the one hand and, on the other, impressing upon the reader that
> the if the author concerned is ânaïveâ and âoldâ how can his conclusions be
> correct? However, it is a great satisfaction that by now the reader all over
> the world has become fully aware of their game-plan.
>
>
>
> I now proceed to answer the various points raised by Dr. Francesco.
>
>
>
> Since the passage from the *BaudhÄyana ÅrautasÅ«tra*(18. 44)* *forms the
> central piece in the debate, it is necessary to discuss it in some detail.
> The relevant Sanskrit text reads as follows:
>
> *Pra**-**n** .**a**-** yauh**.** pravavra**-* *ja tasyaite Kuru**-**-Pan* *~**
> cha**-**la** -**h**.** Ka**-**s**Ì**i**-** -Videha**-** ity etad A**-**yavam
> pravrÄjam. Pratyan**.** Ama**-**vasus tasyaite Ga**-**ndha* *-**rayas Pars**Ì
> **vo Ara**-**t**. **t**.**a* *-** itya etad A**-**ma**-* *vasavam*
>
>
>
> Dealing with this particular passage in his paper, âR.gvedic
> historÌy: poets, chieftains and politiesâ, published in 1995 in a book
> edited by Erdosy, Professor Witzel, wrote, as follows:
>
> Taking a look at the data relating to the immigration of Indo-Aryans into
> South Asia, one is struck by the number of vague reminiscences of foreign
> localities and tribes in the R.gveda, in spite of repeated assertions
> to the contrary in the secondary literature. Then, there is the
> following *direct
> statement* contained in (the admittedly much later) BÅS [Baudha-yana
> Årauta-su-tra] ,
> 18.44: 397.9 sqq which has once again been overlooked, *not having been
> translated yet:* âAyu went eastwards. His (people) are the Kuru-Pan~ca- la
> and Ka-Åi- -Videha. This is the A-yava (migration). (His other people) *stayed
> at home in the west.* His people are the Ga-ndha-ri-, ParÅu and A-rat.t.a.
> This is the Ama-vasava (group)". (Emphasis mine.)
>
>
>
> To return to the Sanskrit text itself. It has two parts. In the
> first part, i.e. in* âprÄá¹
ayuh ⦠pravrÄjamâ* the verb used is *âpravavrÄjaâ,
> * which means â*migratedâ. In the second part, i.e. in âpratyaá¹
amÄvasuḥ â¦.
> amÄvasamâ the verb is not repeated. However, according to the well known
> rules of grammar, it has got to be same as in the first part i.e. it has to
> be âpravavrÄjaâ. As a result, the second part would mean that âAmÄvasuh
> migrated westwards and his descendants are the GÄndhÄrÄ«, ParÅu and Araá¹Ì£á¹a.â
> *(Although it is not necessary, yet I will give an example of how the
> âmissingâ verb has to be inserted. Take, for instance, the following
> sentence: âYesterday, in a match between India and Australia, the former
> scored 275 runs, whereas the latter only 230.â In the first part the verb
> has clearly been mentioned as âscoredâ, but in the second part it is not so
> mentioned. Nevertheless, it has got to be the same as in the first part,
> viz. âscoredâ. Ser
>
>
>
> All this clearly shows that the learned professor had deliberately
> mistranslated the Sanskrit text in order to tell the unwary reader that
> while one lot migrated eastwards, the other âstayed at homeâ. *In reality it
> is a case of two-way migration, viz. eastwards and westwards, from one
> central point.* * *The area of parting* *is likely to have been somewhere
> between the Ga-ndhÄ-ra region on the west and the Kuru region on the east.
> Since the Ga-ndha-Ìra region is placed in eastern Afghanistan and the Kuru
> region (modern Kurukshetra) is in Haryana in India, the region from where
> these eastward and westward migrations took place is most likely to have
> been the (pre-Partition) Punjab.
>
>
>
> * **There can, therefore, be no denying the fact that a section
> of the Vedic people did migrate to the west. The text also very clearly
> mentions the names of the destinations of this migration. These are,
> seratum: GandhÄra, ParaÅu and Araá¹ta. ** ***
>
>
>
> * *Although Dr. Francesco has raised certain objections in
> respect of the identification of these areas, these objections are
> meaningless. The term GandhÄra occurs in ancient literature and was
> doubtless a part of Afghanistan -- whether northern or southern it is of
> little consequence in the present context. ParÅu, which is also referred to
> by the same name in an 835-BCE inscription of Shalmaneser of Assyria, is
> again very clearly Persia.(The name was changed to âIranâ only in 1935.) As
> regards Aratta, most scholars hold it to be Ararata in the Armenian region,
> but Dr. Francesco, allergic to that identification, would like to take it
> all the way to Seistan. Says he: âNowadays scholars ⦠place Aratta *
> somewhere* in Iran; a consensus is slowly emerging on the tentative location
> of the land of Aratta in Seistan.â What is this âsomewhereâ? Evidently,
> because Dr. Fracesco does not know âwhereâ. Again, what indeed is the value
> of a phrase like âa *consensus* is *slowly emerging* on the
> *tentative*location â¦â. Surely, this is yet another technique to avoid
> facing the
> reality. Truth is sometimes too bitter to swallow!
>
>
>
> Now to the evidence of the inscribed clay tablets discovered at
> Bogazkoy in Turkey. Ascribable to circa 1380 BCE, these tablets recorded a
> treaty between a Mtanni king named Matiwaza and a Hittite king, Suppiluliuma
> in which the following gods were invoked as witnesses: Indara (=Vedic
> Indra), Mitras(il) (=Vedic Mitra), Nasatia(nna) (= Vedic NÄsatya) and
> Uruvanass(il) (=Vedic Varuá¹a). Scholars agree that this treaty establishes
> the presence of the Vedic people in a part of Turkey. In fact, Dr. Francesco
> himself admits this reality when he says: âThe (Indo-) Aryan deities
> mentioned in the 1380 treaty are likely to have been worshipped by the
> Mitanni king.â The only debating point left now is whether these Indo-Aryans
> were on their way to India or had come there from India. The reason for some
> scholars to have held the former view was that at the time of the discovery
> of these tablets, viz. at the beginning of the 20th century, the date of the
> *Veda*s, as per the fatwa of Max Muller in the 19th century, was taken to be
> 1200 BCE. (In this context it must not be forgotten that Max Muller had
> himself back-tracked by saying: âWhether the Vedic hymns were composed [in]
> 1000 or 1500 or 2000 or 3000 BC, no power on earth will ever determine.â) In
> Chapter IV, Section H, of my book under discussion I have given detailed
> evidence from archaeology, geology, hydrology, C-14 dating and literature,
> which clearly establishes that the *R**̣̣**igveda **is older than 2000
> BCE.*How much earlier is anybodyâs guess. However,
> other scholars like Kazanas and Nahar Achar place the *Rigveda* in the
> fourth millennium BCE. The former uses the linguistic evidence, whereas the
> latter bases his dating on the astronomical data. This new evidence thus
> shows that the mention of the names of the Vedic gods on the Bogazkoy
> tablets in Turkey is the finale of the movement of the Vedic people from
> north-west India to that region. In this context one might as well pose a
> question: âWas there any country, other than India, in the entire world in
> the 14th century BCE, i.e. at the time of the Bogazkoy treaty, where the
> gods Indra, Varuá¹a, etc. were worshipped?â The answer is an emphatic âNOâ.
> Then why shy away from facing the reality? In fact, at one stage in his own
> review, Dr. Francesco admits: âthe so-called Mitanni Indo-Aryans can be but
> a group of Vedic Aryans having migrated to Kurdistan from their supposed
> ancestral homeland in NW South Asia.â* *
>
>
>
> Research is an ongoing process, not something static. With new evidence
> pouring in every day, paradigms have to be changed and one should not feel
> belittled if oneâs earlier views have to be modified in the light of the new
> data. Let not an ostrich-like attitude blind us to the upcoming truth!
>
>
> Subject title of posting by Dr. Francesco: "Did Some Vedic People Emigrate
> Westwards out of India?" - by B.B. Lal
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[url="http://cbs11tv.com/local/Texas.board.of.2.1429995.html"] Texas School Board Defers History Curriculum Vote[/url] Quote:AUSTIN (AP) ââ¬â¢
Texas Board Debates High School History Standards
(1/15/2010)
TX History Textbook Plan Skips Liberal Politicians
(8/21/2009)
After tackling hip-hop, McCarthyism and immigration, the State Board of Education abruptly ended consideration of new standards for teaching social studies on Friday, delaying until March a tentative vote on the guidelines that could have an impact on classrooms nationwide.
The board had been expected to take a first vote on the guidelines later Friday, after several days of discussion on topics such as which historical figures to hold students accountable for learning and whether second-graders should be taught Aesop's Fables.
But as the debate stretched on, the board decided it needed to move on to finalizing details on new high school graduation requirements. Approving those requirements was deemed time-sensitive as students will soon begin to register for next year's classes.
The delay leaves discussion of a slew of issues regarding high school social studies, history and economics classes unfinished until the board's March meeting. A final vote on new standards will now be set for May.
Debate was heated at times as the guidelines will dictate what about 4.8 million K-12 students must learn in social studies, history and economics over the next decade. The standards also will be used by textbook publishers who develop material for the nation based on Texas, one of their largest markets.
On Friday, the board declined to strike the "Red Scare" from high school history classes, and added a reference to the Venona Papers, research that "confirmed suspicions of communist infiltration in U.S. government." It also agreed to require students to differentiate between "legal and illegal immigration" in a section on geography and changing demographic patterns.
An extended debate flared up when board member Don McLeroy proposed changing hip-hop to country in a section covering the impact of cultural movements on American society. His amendment failed.
"I support the hip-hop," said board member Pat Hardy, a Fort Worth Republican. "I do not like hip-hop -- can't stand it myself -- but I'm not 16. I think it's had, in many ways, a negative effect in our society and I think that when we don't discuss things, we don't know. To pretend it's not there is crazy."
Board member Terri Leo, a Republican from the Houston area, said hip-hop music contributes to bad behavior and anorexia in some of the students she teaches.
The board also rejected an effort to include U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor as an example of a significant political figure. Earlier this week, the board had added many more names to the list of historic figures elementary school students would be expected to learn.
"We're choking our kids with a list of names," board member Pat Hardy, a Republican from Fort Worth, said as astronauts James A. Lovell, Ellen Ochoa and Girl Scouts founder Juliette Gordon Low were added to the third-grade list.
Jose Antonio Navarro, a Texas revolutionary and contemporary of early Texas leader Stephen F. Austin, was added to the kindergarten curriculum in response to a public push for more examples of notable Mexican Americans.
Other discussion centered on whether first-graders are old enough to learn about the accountability of public officials. The board decided they were.
The board also debated the merits of having second-graders read Aesop's Fables, which will be included in the curriculum. After an initial recommendation and ensuing outcry, the board chose not to remove Christmas from a list of religious holidays and observances in a sixth-grade world cultures class.
02-11-2010, 05:20 PM
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Not California textbook case.
Vishal Agarwal's review of a book containing the usual sort of christocommunist anti-Hindu falsehoods, published by - who else, the Indian christocommunist sponsor - AmriKKKa.
http://voi.org/vishalagarwal/column-vish...ivity.html
Wendy Doniger likes the book. So you know it's garbage.
The book collects the frequently-repeated missionary untruths (parroted in this book by an Indian communist - aka christocommunist) in the hope that repeating christian lies will convince readers what "Hindooism" is "actually" about.
03-09-2010, 04:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2010, 04:59 PM by Husky.)
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/03/t...-less.html
Quote:texas residents pls note: You Have Less than 24 Hours to Be a Part of Education Reform for the Hindu American Community
mar 8th, 2010
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Quote:You Have Less than 24 Hours to Be a Part of Education Reform for the Hindu American Community
Targeting: Members of the State Board of Education (Texas State Board of Education)
Started by: Hindu-American Foundation
The Texas Education and Knowledge Skills (TEKS) dictate what publishers are required to include in textbooks; what Texas public school teachers are required to teach their students; and most importantly, what knowledge Texas school children will receive and carry throughout their lives as contributing citizens of the not only the state of Texas, but of the world. Last year, the Texas Board of Education (BOE) started its process for adopting TEKS for Social Science, World History and World Geography, three areas in which Ancient India and Hinduism are covered.
The Hindu American Foundation (HAF) has been actively monitoring and participating in the process thus far and is now turning to you as a Texas HAF member to do your part (http://www.hafsite.org/media/pr/tekssubjectreview). While the current proposed TEKS do not provide much detail as to how Hinduism and Ancient India will be presented, there are amendments at this juncture in which HAF's Education Team believe we can make a difference in improving the quality of education for Texas school children.
The deadline is 5 pm TOMORROW -- Tuesday, March 9, 2010, so send the petition letter provided and get your friends and family in Texas to do the same!
The Petition Text
and the section to Sign the Petition are at that HAF link
05-18-2010, 05:24 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-18-2010, 05:28 PM by Husky.)
Not California, but more Amrikkkan christoislamic scheming against history and Dharmic religions:
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/05/r...on-of.html
Quote:"reuse" means desecration of hindu/buddhist temples! Islam Past and Present Series: Alka Patel talk
- Monday May 17, 2010, 12:00 pm
[color="#800080"]<Image to article with title: "Alka Patel - Loci of Past and Presents: Sites of Reuse in South Asia.">[/color]
may 17th, 2010
[color="#0000FF"]stanford[/color] has become the center for mohammedan propaganda! this speech celebrates the mohammedan capture and desecration of hindu and buddhist sites and their conversion into mosques!
and this hindu-named alka patel is a product of harvard.
[color="#0000FF"]the general yank idea of india is that it is part of the middle east, not asia, and that it properly is mohammedan territory![/color]
[color="#800080"]<rest at link>[/color]
Christo-doublespeak coins new phrase: Native traitor puppeted by christoism's "invisible" strings calls islamania's destruction and theft (forcible occupation) of Hindu and Buddhist sacred sites "reuse".
- It's but more christian facilitation of islamism against Hindu Dharma. Quite like the christoBritish empire did - and as the christobrits continue to do. (Of course, christoism itself is to remain secularly invisible/undetectable. After all, the trick is to not get caught while the game's still in play. And India is still in play.)
- And islam pays lots of moolah to christo institutes in Amerikkka to islamise Bharatam by writing lies about territory and history.
Are all Amerikkkan educational institutes uniformly Pure Junkkk, or is it just the famously prestigious ones? (Quite the rich man's version of poor Hindoos in Bharatam unwittingly sending their kids to missionary schools.)
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