01-30-2005, 02:00 AM
Only discussion related to RC Mujumdar finding and other writers based on Historical facts.
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RC.Majumdar & others on muslim atrocities
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03-02-2005, 08:48 AM
Man, why are you so anti-Muslim. Only a few Muslims in India are extremists. You seem to forget that India also has a lot of Hindu extremists. [Admin -deleted Consider this warning] We need to live peacefully with our Muslim brethren. No one wants to start more conflicts between Hindus and Muslims in India. The average Muslim and the average Hindu live together peacefully. All the religious conflicts in India have been started by politicians. For example, the Gujurat riots were clearly started by politicians. We can't run India based on ancient history. I don't care about what ancient Islamic invaders did, i care about present day India. In present day India, the people must live peacefully.
All the religious conflicts of India were started by the British and many ignorant people keep them alive today. Hindus and Muslims lived together peacefully before the British came and major conflicts rarely arose. 
03-02-2005, 09:10 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Tulsidas Khan+Mar 2 2005, 08:48 AM-->QUOTE(Tulsidas Khan @ Mar 2 2005, 08:48 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Man, why are you so anti-Muslim. Only a few Muslims in India are extremists. You seem to forget that India also has a lot of Hindu extremists. I think you are a misguided fascist. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
T.Khan. Before you call someone a fanatic, please do your homework on Islam and it's ideologies. In my younger days, I too used to parrot what you are saying now. I used to meditate on othe word "Al Lah" (taking cue from Sri Ramakrishna) and found that it was not the name or the form, but my own mind that was leading me to a well accustomed state. Back then I knew squat-diddly about Islam or Muhammad of the banu quraish clan. It is only by reading history did I know the real and terrifying face of Islam.. I bet you haven't read the Koran yet, and hence are talking that it's a religion of peace. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->We need to live peacefully with our Muslim brethren. No one ones to start more conflicts between Hindus and Muslims in India. The average Muslim and the average Hindu live together peacefully.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> REally ? This is BECAUSE Hindus are in a majority. The moment Moslems become even a mild majority, they disturb peace. Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc are glaring examples. Islam is Peace my foot. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->All the religious conflicts in India have been started by politicians.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Mohammad was the first such politician. But you may be right.... The current politicians in India are doing grave injustice to the Muslims of India - who are victims of the Sword of Islam. Instead of accepting the victims & their decendants back into Sanathana Dharma, the politicos are alienating them and keeping them away from the Dharmic fold.. It is only with time and patience can the Victims of the Sword of Islam be healed and brought back to main stream. Let's pray for their fast return to Sanathana Dharma, and peaceful co-existance.. <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->For example, the Gujurat riots were clearly started by politicians. We can't run India based on ancient history. I don't care about what ancient Islamic invaders did, i care about present day India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Which riots do you refer to ? the Eighteen or so Plunders and Pillages done by Mahmud of Gazni in the name of Islam ? Or the Massacres done by Alladin Khilji done in accordance with the Mohammad's wishes? The Atrocities committed bu Babar in true faith to his cult - I'slam? Which incident are you refering to ? All the riots including the one in 2002 are history.. why talk about these ? [quote]All the religious conflicts of India were started by the British and many ignorant people keep them alive today. Hindus and Muslims lived together peacefully before the British came and major conflicts rarely arose.[quote] Please read This article and then talk abot peace or not. Till then, refrain name calling.
03-02-2005, 09:16 AM
If you read Ibn Batuta, circa 1350, muslim civilians in the hindu kingdom of kerala were rioting
If you read the biography of Chaitanya ( RC.Majumdar ) you find in Nadia, native muslim civilians were doing same things they do in BD today Desecration of hindu temples, abduction of hindu women etc As long as muslims dont act out their fantasies against kafirs, I have no problem And do you think that kashmir would be a problem with a hindu majority situation ? The tameness of Indian muslims is a function of the local demographic ratio Have you lived in say Mallapuram, Bhatkal, Hyderabad old city etc My preferred solution to the muslim problem is demographic containment or rather counter-breeding Al beruni writes , circa 1000, that hindus have the deepest detestation of muslims All this well before the british ever came here I am not a fascist, just a realist I realise that islam calls for my death or forced conversion and muslims will act on it once they breed to critical mass
03-02-2005, 09:33 AM
//I am not a fascist, just a realist
I realise that islam calls for my death or forced conversion and muslims will act on it once they breed to critical mass // <span style='color:red'>[Admin : These comments against Forum members are uncalled - Deleted by admin. Consider this warning]</span> Riots against governments happen in all societies. You cannot blame isolated incidents on an entire group. In reality, trying to outbreed a group of people is not the solution to anything. Muslims in general do not want all Hindus either dead or converted. I am actually from Hyderabad. There are no issues between Hindus and Muslims where i am from. The Muslim population in the new city is eqal to the Hindu popualtion and no problems exist. Problems are only created by extremists(both Hindus and Muslims). You try to make it look liek all Muslims want Hindus dead. One example that proves this false is the genorosity Muslims showed to India Hindus in Iraq. Seriously, how many Indian hostages have been executed in Iraq? Zero. They are always set free because they are Indian, regardless of what their religion is. Most of the Pakistani hostages in Iraq have been executed. //If you read the biography of Chaitanya ( RC.Majumdar ) you find in Nadia, native muslim civilians were doing same things they do in BD today Desecration of hindu temples, abduction of hindu women etc// Can you provide some proof of these incidents...like news articles or something. Also, about the Kashmir thing, You seem to forget that a Muslim found the Badrianth Shrine. He was also the one who told his Hindu friends aobut it. Don't associate terroists with normal Muslims. A Muslim terrorist and an average Indian Muslim have very different beliefs.
03-02-2005, 09:57 AM
Moderator Alert
------ About 1 year ago, I was posting stuff from RC.Majumdar here on muslim atrocities and one of the moderators nuked the thread and removed it If the moderators are willing I shall be glad to quote from RC.Majumdar again G.S In the new city, muslims are about 25% In the old city, they are about 75% and in the old city area is where most of the action happens Now I am quoting from Bharat-Rakshak, Operation Polo In 1948, there were 2 million muslims in the Nizams kingdom and the Nizam raised the Razakar militia of 2 lakhs, meaning every able bodied muslim male in the Nizams kingdom was given a gun to fight the Indian army
03-02-2005, 10:05 AM
I'm not asking you to quote Majumdar. I am asking you to post an article that supports whatever he said.
//In the new city, muslims are about 25% In the old city, they are about 75% and in the old city area is where most of the action happens// My point is that Hindus and Muslims leave peacefully in both the new and old cities and major religious conflicts rarely come up. //In 1948, there were 2 million muslims in the Nizams kingdom and the Nizam raised the Razakar militia of 2 lakhs, meaning every able bodied muslim male in the Nizams kingdom was given a gun to fight the Indian army// The Nizam kingdom consisted of a large number of Hindus as well. Also, many local kingdoms refused to join India originally. Large groups of Hindus in Gujurat did not want to join India either. You are just placing the blame for random incidents on Muslims. After the Nizam kingdom surrendered, it was made into a state that allowed it to keep the land it had been in control of before joining India and it was given some new land. Also, the entire state was formed on a linguistic basis, not a religious basis. [Deleted by Admin]
03-02-2005, 06:30 PM
RC.Majumdar was the noted expert on Indian history before the commies took over
His books are in paper form and not on the web I can post data citing volume number and page number RC.Majumdar quotes directly from first hand sources like Al-Beruni and Ibn Batuta I trust Ibn Batuta more than Romila Thapar Hyderabad is a noted ISI den and the MIM is the direct descendant of the Razakars The DJS has killed over 200 hindus Since 1979, there have been several major riots in Hyderabad including one in 1990, wherein 30 Bhooeys a Dalit caste were massacred by hindus Regarding Indian hindus in Iraq, the muslim league minister intervened and they were released after being made to pray to Allah for about 10 days How many hindus in the Nizams kingdom joined the Razakars ? Incidentally the first muslim who wanted hindus dead or converted was the prophet himself Andre Wink, Al Hind, vol-1, page 192 G.S
03-02-2005, 06:47 PM
Moderator Alert
---- Thanks to Tulsi Khan this thread has shifted away from DNA to RC.Majumdar Please move the non-DNA stuff to a separate RC.Majumdar thread in the history forum and I shall start posting there from RC.Majumdar
03-03-2005, 12:34 AM
Is there any place I can buy RC Majumdar books online? I remember seeing a US Site a long time ago (forgot the link), the price for the eleven volumes were close to 450 USD. Which is close to 600$ CDN. Our local library has only 3 volumes, "Delhi Sultanate, Maratha Supremacy, and British Paramountcy"
Is there a version of the book online ?
03-03-2005, 04:28 AM
Has anyone read this book by R.N.P. Singh's called Riots & Wrongs: Islam and Religious Riots
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One study is already available in R.N.P. Singh's <b>Riots & Wrongs: Islam and Religious Riots</b>. Singh is a highly respected retired police official whose distinguished career in the Intelligence Bureau has been commended by no less than K.P.S. Gill. In his foreword to the book, Gill has been remarkably frank and blunt. He writes: "<b>While lip service to the idea of `secularism' has been universal, the actions of all political partiesÂincluding, if not especially, those that claim `secularism' as their primary platform can hardly withstand an objective scrutiny in this regard.</b>" Furthermore he adds: "<b>Much of the `secular' discourse in India has been based on a `politically correct' refusal to confront the nature of religious communities and institutions, and their past and present activities... The truth is, unless communities acknowledge realityÂwarts and allÂand recognise the transgressions of their own history within a constructive context, no real solution to the issue of communal polarisation and violence in India can be brought about.</b>" Gill is so right. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> Source: Will Congress ever let peace reign in Gujarat? By M.V. Kamath
03-03-2005, 04:30 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Mar 3 2005, 03:41 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Mar 3 2005, 03:41 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> http://www.indiaclub.com <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank you GS ji... that's the one... <!--emo&  --><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->Here is the page with collection of Sri Majumdar's works.
03-03-2005, 04:48 AM
T (ikka?) Khan,
Are you familar with the works of Babashaeb Ambedkar on this subject? Afterall Ambedkar was the author of Indian Constitution and not some rabbid hate mongering misguided facist.
03-03-2005, 06:02 AM
I am not familiar with Ambedkar's works. Anyway,i am not concerned about ancient history. I am concerned about India today. India today will not be able to survive if it becomes and anti-Islamic nation. India was built on tolerance to all cultures and religions. A lot of you seem to want India to kick out or convert all Muslims. WHen i say Gujurat riots, i am talking about the recent Ahmedabad riots. Those were definetly caused by HINDU politicians. They claimed that Muslims caused the fire on the train where 50 Hindus died, but it was found later that the fire was an accident. The problems in Kashmir , Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc. are being caused by terrorists...not by Muslim civilians. The terroists start trouble in Muslim majority areas because they think they will get a lot of support. The truth is that they get very little support. If all Muslims support this terroism, why are the terrorists in Iraq targetting Muslim civilians with their bombings?
Seriously, don't connect civilians with the actions of terrorists and extremists.
03-03-2005, 06:23 AM
I have no interest in kicking out or converting Indian muslims
But I do know that each and every country with over 18% muslims has gone into civil war and demographically muslims will reach this magic number by about 2050 hence my call for counter breeding to dilute them below this India will not survive if it allows the islamic cancer to cross critical mass Even a muslim ass kisser like Gandhi could not stop partition, since muslims crossed critical mass The kashmiri pandits were ethnic cleansed by their muslim neighbors in 1989-1990 The current CM of Kashmir was called butcher of Anantnag for starting ethnic cleansing of the Pandits Pakistani mercenaries only entered JK after 1995 when the local jihadis had been defeated by the Indian army Regarding the accidental train fire Coaches are made of fire resistant material and Justice Bannerjee had referred to another so called accidental train fire This so called accidental train fire was later discovered to be a deliberate arson In Bangladesh, and in India in border districts, muslim civilians rape and ethnic cleanse hindus in the secular state of Assam and West Bengal Are you aware of MULTA etc, there are several islamic secessionist groups in Assam In bangladesh, the ethnic cleansing of hindus is done by the vested property act passed by the MPs of all parties and is usually done by a muslim neighbor who wants to grab hindu property Visit http://www.hrcbm.org to see islamic atrocities on BD hindus Visit http://www.kashmir-information.com/ to see the story of kashmiri pandits ethnic cleansed by their muslim neighbors slowly since 1931 In Pakistan, 65% of the civilians donate to jihadi groups In Iraq, we are seeing Shias and Sunnis kill each other, thats normal islamic behavior
03-03-2005, 06:25 AM
Khan
If you want to be taken seriously on this forum, you better stop posting nonsense.
03-03-2005, 06:38 AM
G.Subramaniam,
Please start posting Majumdar historical data regarding muslim atrocities on Hindus.
03-03-2005, 06:51 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway,i am not concerned about ancient history<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Tulsidas Khan, This is a history thread and stick to topic. All out of context post will get deleted in future. Stick to forum rules.</b>
03-07-2005, 09:25 AM
RC.Majumdar - Volume - Delhi Sultanate
Chapter - Hindu Muslim relations Page 616 - deep fundamental differences between hindus and muslims ( no such thing as composite culture ) Page 620 - Mohd Bin Tuglak refuses request from Chinese emperor to rebuild buddhist shrines destroyed by muslims as this was against islam Page 623 - Hindus under muslim kingdoms had extra-territorial loyalty to hindu kings Hindu kings did not trust muslims or appoint them in high posts Hindus were treated much worse by muslims than later british rulers Page 635 - Excerpts from "Tariq-e-Wasaf" Allauddin Khilji's invasion of Gujurat - large scale civilian massacre, over 20000 civilians enslaved and forcibly converted Temple idols taken and placed under the entrance to Jama Masjid in Delhi Large scale temple destruction - Praise be to Allah Page 626 - Sikandar Lodi did large scale temple destruction in Mathura Page 627 - Muslim atrocities were non-stop |
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