India - China: Relations And Developments-2

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[url="http://www.dailypioneer.com/294821/Chinas-motives-suspect-but-1962-like-aggression-ruled-out.html"]China's motives suspect, but 1962-like aggression ruled out'[/url]

Army Chief General V K Singh has said India was "not sure" of China's intentions for developing infrastructure along the borders, but a repeat of the 1962 aggression was "never" possible.



Describing the regional security situation as "fragile," Singh said Pakistan Army's India-centric posturing and diversion of US counter-terrorism military aid against India were matters of concern.



"China is doing a great amount of infrastructure development, which it says is for locals of the area. No bones about it, no crib about it. But our problem is we are not very sure about the intentions. And when intentions change, with this capability, things can go wrong. And that is what is a matter of concern," he said.



"But, there is going to be no no 1962. Never," he said, referring to the Chinese aggression of Indian territory that year.



Singh reasoned that he did not see the kind of signages of 1962 at present, as there were no military build up or territorial claims that were witnessed just before the only time the two countries went to war.



"Absolutely, with full conviction," he said, when asked if he was confident there would be no no repeat of history.



"Things are better than what it was in 1962," he said, noting that situation along the borders was peaceful "to an extent" and the stand-offs were within the known parameters governed by Confidence Building Measures, with "nothing going astray".

[ramana]

This response from Gen Singh counters the nonsense put out by chatterati retired folks about a repeat of 1962.

[HareKrishna]

“These UFO's are the vessels used by the Elohim, our creators from space who were described in all ancient Chinese traditions, and who a long time ago had children with the Chinese,” Rael said. “That's why the Chinese call themselves ‘children from the sky.’



He added that the Elohim wish to have an embassy built to officially welcome them back to Earth and they would like it to be build in China.



“China is the most important country on Earth, not only because it has the biggest population but also because its culture and civilization have always been the most scientifically and spiritually advanced,” Rael explained. “Thanks to this culture, China was almost totally preserved from the damage of primitive religions like Christianity and from other monotheistic, superstitious values. Instead, China has developed a very scientific and philosophically advanced society without the guilt caused by Christianity, especially Catholicism, and particularly thanks to the influence of Lao Tzu and Confucius, two of the greatest thinkers of history of humanity.

He explained that China could have colonized all of Asia long ago, along with Australia and beyond, since it was the first country to explore and circumnavigate the world long before Europeans did.



“But the traditional wisdom of China restrains it from colonizing other populations and perpetrating genocides as the Europeans did,” Rael said. “Even with what will soon be the biggest and most powerful army in the world, China doesn’t have military bases around the world to dominate others, unlike the United States, which has 180 bases worldwide to guarantee world domination.”

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[HareKrishna]

My chinese friend from china history forum:

India should give back to China,the territories that are inhabited by yellow race and Buddhist religion.Himalayans are from yellow race ,not black race as indians are. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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Read the post to find something relevant to this topic.



[url="http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/parmacharya-sri-chandrashekhara-saraswathi-god-in-human-form/"][size="5"]Parmacharya Sri Chandrashekhara Saraswathi – God in human form[/size][/url]

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[quote name='HareKrishna' date='01 December 2010 - 12:12 AM' timestamp='1291142088' post='109558']

My chinese friend from china history forum:

India should give back to China,the territories that are inhabited by yellow race and Buddhist religion.Himalayans are from yellow race ,not black race as indians are. <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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There are racists everywhere. So Buddha is Chinese?!

[Capt M Kumar]

W ho is China’s First Dissident? Many China observers believe that it is not Mr Liu Xiaobo who was recently awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, but the Prime Minister (or Premier in Communist jargon) of the country, Mr Wen Jiabao, who will be visiting India between December 15 and 17. During the last few months, Mr Wen Jiabao has spoken on several occasions on the same theme as the Nobel Laureate; each time he has been censured by the ‘authorities’ of his own country. http://www.dailypioneer.com/303739/Wen-a...i-Chi.html



Take his visit to the United States in September. Mr Wen Jiabao was interviewed by Fareed Zakaria for CNN’s Global Public Square. When Zakaria asked Mr Wen Jiabao about freedom of speech in China, the suave Premier, known as ‘Grandpa Wen’ in the Middle Kingdom, replied, “I believe freedom of speech is indispensable for any country — a country in the course of development and a country that has become strong. Freedom of speech has been incorporated into the Chinese Constitution.” He then continued in the same vein, “I often say that we should not only let people have the freedom of speech, we more importantly must create conditions to let them criticise the work of the Government.”

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Wen Sushma Swaraj meet the Chinese PM:

Remember Wen Jiabao? What with the WikiLeaks releases on Rahul Gandhi, the Chinese premier's three-day visit seems to have faded into the background.

But a tweet from Sushma Swaraj, leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha, is a reminder.

She says:I called on Chinese Premier Mr Wen Jia Bao today morning at Hotel Taj Palace. It was a very good meeting.I raised with him the issues of China's attitude towards Pakistan, stapled visa and reported incursions in Arunachal.

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[url="http://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-chinese-ghost-cities-2010-12#"]And Now Presenting: Amazing Satellite Images Of The Ghost Cities Of China[/url]

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[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8229789/China-preparing-for-armed-conflict-in-every-direction.html"]China preparing for armed conflict 'in every direction'[/url]

China is preparing for conflict 'in every direction', the defence minister said on Wednesday in remarks that threaten to overshadow a visit to Beijing by his US counterpart next month.

China repeatedly says it is planning a "peaceful rise" but the recent pace and scale of its military modernisation has alarmed many of its neighbours in the Asia-Pacific, including Japan which described China's military build-up as a "global concern" this month.

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[url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342724/China-shuts-60-000-porn-websites-arrests-5-000-people-internet-clamp-down.html"]China shuts down 60,000 porn sites and arrests 5,000 people in massive censorship crackdown[/url]

With an estimated 450million internet users - more than a third of the country's population - China has a bigger online population than any other country.

It has blocked a number of popular websites, including Google's YouTube, Twitter, Flickr and Facebook, as well as Chinese content sharing sites.

The communist government has accused them of carrying content harmful to China's security and in breach of its laws, including images of protests in sensitive regions such as Tibet.

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[url="http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-how-chinas-nuke-plants-will-last-3000-years/20110103.htm"]How China's nuke plants will last 3000 years[/url] <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[HareKrishna]

[quote name='Mudy' date='04 January 2011 - 05:16 AM' timestamp='1294097920' post='110105']

[url="http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-how-chinas-nuke-plants-will-last-3000-years/20110103.htm"]How China's nuke plants will last 3000 years[/url] <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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the old breeder technology.

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[url="http://www.telegraphindia.com//1110119/jsp/nation/story_13462778.jsp"]Chinese arrests[/url]

Lucknow/Bahraich, Jan. 18 (PTI): Three Chinese nationals were arrested near the Nepal border for allegedly sneaking into Indian territory and taking pictures of vital installations.



Liao Xing, Yu Dangli and Yang Liu were arrested by Sashastra Seema Bal personnel yesterday when they were taking pictures of some installations, special director-general (law and order), Brijlal, said.



An Indian PAN card, two mobile phones and a camera were seized from them, Brijlal said, adding that intelligence agencies were interrogating them.



He said the three had come from Nepal and crossed into Indian territory without valid passports and visas.



They were booked for illegally entering country and under the passport act.

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China could face a financial crisis by 2016: Poll (ET)

Analysts say that China is in the midst of a speculative credit-driven bubble that cannot be sustained and will burst in 5 years

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[url="http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.388227f38b6410738cac53ad93706e50.b1&show_article=1"]Huge solar flare said to jam China communications[/url]

The strongest solar flare in four years disrupted radio communications in southern China, according to the China Meteorological Administration.

The solar flare, a huge explosion on the sun's surface caused by magnetic activity, affected transmissions in southern China on Tuesday, Xinhua news agency reported, quoting the CMA.



The US space administration NASA confirmed that Monday's solar flare was the largest in four years, and the event sparked predictions of heightened activity on the northern hemisphere of the sun.



"X-class flares are the most powerful of all solar events that can trigger radio blackouts and long-lasting radiation storms," disrupting telecommunications and electric grids, NASA said.

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[url="http://www.dailypioneer.com/329673/India-closely-monitoring-security-at-its-borders-Krishna.html"]India closely monitoring security at its borders: Krishna[/url]

He was responding to a query on media report that quoted a top Indian Army general warning that India not only faces a threat from Chinese troops along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) but also at the Line of Control (LoC) with Pakistan due to the expansive Beijing-Islamabad military nexus.



"We have seen media reports on the subject. Government closely and regularly monitors all developments along our borders which can have a bearing on our security," Krishna told reporters here.



"We continuously review and take all measures necessary to ensure the safety and security of our people, as well as the territorial integrity of the nation," he added.



Northern Army Command chief, Lt-General K.T. Parnaik had said in Jammu earlier that the growing Chinese presence would not only be a matter of concern at the India-China border but also along the Line of Control (LoC) that divides Jammu and Kashmir between India and Pakistan.



Terming the growing cooperation between China and Pakistan in the military and infrastructural area a "serious" situation for India, he said the army was debating and evaluating the entire scenario.



This latest issue has come up as Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is set to leave for China for a official visit beginning April 12. He will hold multi-lateral and bilateral meetings with the Chinese leadership

Chinese pressure tactics before any high level visit.

[Arun_S]

[url="http://www.expressindia.com/story_print.php?storyId=788722"]Army warns PM: China can deploy 500,000 troops on LAC[/url]

Shishir Gupta Posted: May 11, 2011 at 0007 hrs

New Delhi China now has the capability to deploy and sustain more than half-a-million troops for over a month on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in case of a high threat scenario with India. Combining deft defence diplomacy with India’s neighbours and major infrastructure upgradation in restive Xinjiang and Tibet, Beijing is expected to be increasingly assertive towards New Delhi and may put pressure on Arunachal Pradesh in near future.



This threat perception and assessment in the form of a presentation in South Block was given to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Defence Minister A K Antony, National Security Adviser S S Menon, Principal Secretary T K Nair and Defence Secretary Pradeep Kumar by the Indian military brass last month.



While the government is tight-lipped about the presentation, the military brass told the PM that Chinese PLA has acquired the capability to deploy 34 troop divisions (one division has 23,000 troops) along the LAC in case of a high threat scenario by pulling out troops from Chengdu and Lanzhou military regions. When compared to the Indian strength of nine holding divisions along the northern borders, the PLA with a defence budget estimated at $150 billion holds overwhelming advantage.



As part of major infrastructure upgradation in Tibet and Xinjiang, China is doing the following:



Connection with all counties in Tibet with border roads completed. Road network increased from 51,000 km in 2008 to 58,000 km in 2010. Plans to increase black topped roads by another 70,000 km on the anvil.



Extension of Qinghai-Tibet Railway from Golmund to Lhasa and thereon to Shigatse (close to Sikkim). Rail connectivity is planned to link Kathmandu, Myanmar, Bhutan, Pakistan and Central Asian republics. Eleven new rail lines on the anvil in Tibet and Xinjiang for rapid deployment of PLA.



There are eight airfields in Tibet, including five operational ones; 18 air bases in Tibet and Xinjiang have the capability to put India under range of Sukhoi 27 aircraft.



The Indian security concerns get multiplied when this Chinese advantage is backed with an all-weather friend like Pakistan. Beijing is in the process of supplying four F-22 frigates along with JF-17 aircraft to Islamabad. PLA has pushed some 1,000 troops in PoK for upgradation of Karakoram Highway and to link it with sea ports of Karachi, Gwadar and Bin Qassim. This will not only give strategic depth to Pakistan but also allow PLA to control the Persian Gulf.



China’s Dong Fang Electric Supply Corporation and Pakistan Railways have also signed a feasibility study contract on a Havelian-Khunjerab Pass rail link. The military brass also gave information on Chinese inroads into Nepal, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

[Arun_S]

Cross posting ...



[url="http://www.kforcegov.com/Services/IS/NightWatch/NightWatch_11000107.aspx"]NightWatch [/url]For the Night of 19 May 2011

China-Pakistan: Update. On the third day of Pakistani Prime Minister Gilani's visit to China - and the 60th anniversary of diplomatic relations, [size="3"][color="#FF0000"]China warned that any attack on Pakistan would be tantamount to an attack on China[/color][/size], The News reported.



Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao reportedly told Pakistani Prime Minister Gilani that Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi warned Washington during the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue to respect Pakistan's sovereignty. Moreover, Beijing will send a special envoy to Islamabad to express solidarity with Pakistan, a senior Chinese official said.



Comment: The precise wording and the intentions of the Chinese are not clear and there seems to be less substance than grandstanding. The words suggest China has agreed to act as Pakistan's protector, in some circumstances.



China's implied promise of a response would seem to apply to another US raid against terrorists and to drone attacks. What is not clear is how China might honor that commitment.



The language also seems to indicate that China would assist Pakistan in the event of an attack from India. China has done so for 40 years. On the other hand, the new alliance language also might imply that in the event of a war between India and China, [color="#FF0000"]Pakistan would be obliged to attack India on the flank[/color].



[color="#0000FF"]A violation of sovereignty is an act of war, but it cuts in many directions. For example, Pakistan's harboring of Taliban leader Mullah Omar is certainly a hostile act against Afghanistan and arguably an act of war.[/color]



Nevertheless, the language reported by The News indicates a significant strengthening of the defense relationship, possibly converting it into an alliance as close as that which China has with North Korea. After the US, China is emerging as the largest beneficiary from the death of bin Laden!

So nuclear attack by TSP on India will assuredly invite Indian second strike on Pakistan and China.



The question is how credible is this posture given that:

1. Indian nuclear weapons are so few if they have to be credible against not just Paki-satan but also China
2. Indian weapon yield is something that China has derided and is no match compared to Chinese nuclear fire power
3. The quantity of Indian Agni missiles required to take on Paki and China does not simply exist; particularity given that Agni-3, Agni-4 Agni- 5 Agnit 6 Agni .... are not yet proven and worse still do not yet exist in inventory

Indian military doctrine and capability are HOT words, and no better than gastric flatulence.

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[quote name='Arun_S' date='24 May 2011 - 06:32 PM' timestamp='1306290277' post='111687']

Cross posting ...



[The question is how credible is this posture given that:

1. Indian nuclear weapons are so few if they have to be credible against not just Paki-satan but also China
2. Indian weapon yield is something that China has derided and is no match compared to Chinese nuclear fire power
3. The quantity of Indian Agni missiles required to take on Paki and China does not simply exist; particularity given that Agni-3, Agni-4 Agni- 5 Agnit 6 Agni .... are not yet proven and worse still do not yet exist in inventory

Indian military doctrine and capability are HOT words, and no better than gastric flatulence.

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Arun,





You're giving gastric flatulance a bad name by comparing it with Indian military doctrine. The term MMS would be better. Gmail even has an emoticon for MMS (the "stuff" with flies hovering it). Can't this forum have a similar emoticon to visually describe the catamtite MMS?