<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>OBAMA TO A'JAD: ATOMIC ASSIST STIFFS UN IN NUKE NEGOTIATIONS</b>
A'jad: Quotes 'Bam to refute critics at home. link
May 21, 2008 -- BUOYED by their modest electoral success last month, critics of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's provocative foreign policy were preparing to launch a series of attacks on him in the Islamic Majlis, Iran's ersatz parliament. <b>But then Ahmadinejad got an unexpected boost from Barack Obama.</b>
Ali Larijani, Iran's former nuclear negotiator and now a Majlis member, was arguing that the Islamic Republic would pay a heavy price for Ahmadinejad's rejection of three UN Security Council resolutions on nukes. <b>Then the likely Democratic presidential nominee stepped in. </b>
Obama announced that, if elected, he wouldn't ask Iran to comply with UN resolutions as a precondition for direct talks with Ahmadinejad: "Preconditions, as it applies to a country like Iran, for example, was a term of art. Because this administration has been very clear that it will not have direct negotiations with Iran until Iran has met preconditions that are essentially what Iran views, and many other observers would view, as the subject of the negotiations; for example, their nuclear program."
<b>"Talking without preconditions" would require America to ignore three unanimous Security Council resolutions.</b> Before starting his unconditional talks, would Obama present a new resolution at the Security Council to cancel the three that Ahmadinejad doesn't like? Or would the new US president act in defiance of the United Nations - further weakening the Security Council's authority?
President Bush didn't set the preconditions that Obama promises to ignore. They were agreed upon after the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran was in violation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Acting in accordance with its charter, the IAEA referred the issue to the Security Council.
<b>Dismissing the preconditions as irrelevant would mean snubbing America's European allies plus Russia and China, all of whom participated in drafting and approving the resolutions that Ahmadinejad doesn't like. </b>
Such a move would make a mockery of multilateral diplomacy - <b>indeed, would ignore such diplomacy in exactly the way that critics claim the Bush administration has.</b>
Obama clearly hasn't asked British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy what they think of the United States' suddenly changing course and granting Ahmadinejad's key demand in advance.
Maybe Obama hasn't been properly briefed about the "preconditions" he gets so worked up about. He cites Iran's "nuclear program" as a precondition. Wrong: No one has asked, or could ask, Iran to stop its nuclear program - period. On the contrary, Iran's participation in in the Non-Proliferation Treaty gives it the right to seek help from other signatories, including the US, to access the latest technology in developing its nuclear industry - for peaceful purposes.
<b>The Security Council isn't asking the Islamic Republic to do something dishonorable, humiliating or illegal. All it's asking Ahmadinejad to do is to stop cheating - something the Islamic Republic itself has admitted it has done for 18 years. The Security Council has invited Iran to "suspend" - not even to scrap - a uranium-enrichment program clearly destined for making bombs, in violation of the NPT.</b>
Iran has not a single nuclear-power station and thus doesn't need enriched uranium - except for making bombs. Its sole nuclear plant is scheduled to be finished by the end of 2009. But that can't use the type of uranium that Iran is enriching; the station requires fuel of a different "formula," supplied by Russia, which is building the project, for the next 10 years. (And the Russians have offered to provide fuel for the plant's entire lifetime of 37 years.)
Another precondition asks Tehran to explain why it is building a heavy-water plant at Arak - when it has absolutely no plans for plutonium-based nuclear-power stations. The Arak plant's only imaginable use is to produce material for nuclear warheads.
Finally, the IAEA and the Security Council are asking Tehran to allow international inspectors access to all sites related to the nuclear project - access that Iran is obliged to provide under the NPT.
In short, the minimum show of goodwill on Ahmadinejad's part would be to comply with the UN resolutions before he goes to the White House for talks with President Obama on other issues.
<b>Obama's words on "preconditions" have helped ease domestic pressure on Ahmadinejad to comply with the United Nations and the IAEA. The Iranian president is telling his domestic critics to shut up until after the US election. Why, after all, should he make concessions that a putative President Obama has already dismissed as unnecessary?</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think even if you add the delegates from FL or MI (Assuming uncommitted goes to Obama), Hillary is not going to get a lead in pledged delegates. Hillary barely won 50% of votes in each state.
Jim Webb is little too aggressive IMO (though that may be a quality that one would look for in a VP)
I think BO can win all the states won by Kerry (which include MI, but doesn't include FL). In addition, he will bring the following states to play
Colarado, Missouri, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Mexico
A combination of these states (without FL) can put Obama in WH.
I see fewer and fewer republicans duped by issues like same-sex marriage anymore. Pressing issues are food and fuel prices for most people with uncertainty around economy. Mccain's thin resume on economy is not going to give him any traction here. With under 30 generation solidly behind democratic party, it will be an uphill climb for the septugenarian McCain.
According to latest polls by Rueters, Obama is leading Hillary by 26 points and McCain by 8 points, a sign that democrats are coming around Obama.
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In FL:
HC was 50% while BO 33% and Edwards 14% http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primari.../state/#FL
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In addition, he will bring the following states to play
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A lot depends who McCain picks for his VP ticket. With Colin Powell (remote chances) all bets are off.
Street Money is very effective in US election.
Democracy and capitalism is a very good combination. Money power plays big in US election.
How much money effect outcome of election in India?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I see fewer and fewer republicans duped by issues like same-sex marriage anymore. Pressing issues are food and fuel prices for most people with uncertainty around economy. Mccain's thin resume on economy is not going to give him any traction here. With under 30 generation solidly behind democratic party, it will be an uphill climb for the septugenarian McCain.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ya, why Kerry lost? Barack Hussein resume is very thin in every issue. Have you checked his latest Carter socialist agenda, i don't think that will go very well with people.
Watch for fuel price after Aug.
Polls had proved wrong , again and again. They are just biased and creating perception.
Here we are not trying to promote any candidate but different factors in this election, election process (voter fraud, money, power broker, corruption, democracy) and how we Indian see it. At this stage, we don't have democrat nominee, so we don't know how it will effect India or geo-politcs.
So better keep discussion in that frame, and we should wait for Democrat nominee. Then we will discuss both nominee policy towards India and rest of world.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Decemberists, the Indie rock band that opened for Barack Obama's Portland, Ore., rally on Sunday that drew an estimated 75,000, often opens its own shows with the National Anthem of the now-defunct Soviet Union, according to Wikipedia.
In its entry on the Decemberists, Wikipedia further explains:
<b>"The band's use of the National Anthem of the Soviet Union, as an introduction at many concerts has sparked controversy as it is seen by some as an endorsement of the repressive Soviet system.</b> The name Decembrist refers to an 1825 revolt over the Imperial Russian succession, and is not related to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A lot depends who McCain picks for his VP ticket. With Colin Powell (remote chances) all bets are off.
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Colin powell is not even going to vote for McCain, let alone be his VP. I wouldn't be surprised if Powell endorses Obama once he is nominated.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HC was 50% while BO 33% and Edwards 14%
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That is what I said, she barely crossed 50% and in MI, lot of obama supporters would have stayed home. Look at the primary vote totals in MI and FL and you can see that democratic turnout was below republican turnout which was hardly the case in any of the other states where both republicans and democrats were running before McCain became the nominee.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Polls had proved wrong , again and again. They are just biased and creating perception.
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Most of the time polls in US are very accurate, look at all the polls before the primaries and the results. Only one that went wrong was NH.
Actually your own informal polling that you had posted on NC turned out to be completely inaccurate. But that doesn't mean rest of the polls are all wrong
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Because Caucaus states had higher percentage of allocation. This system was very well designed by Jesse Jackson. It will really work for Jesse Jackson's son.
OR is far-left, liberal state.
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This is a silly argument. HC had the time and resources to change these rules if needed. She has more supporters in the rules committee than Obama. Terry McAuliffe was involved in disqualifying MI.
Caucus states don't have higher % of allocation, allocation is mostly based on congressional seats in a state, whether they do caucus or not. Many states had open caucuses while states like PA, KY and WV had closed primaries.
I don't think Obama's resume is any thinner than Hillary and having spent the lifetime in washington is not necessarily the qualification to become president. Then we should elect Sen.Robert Byrd from WV as the president since he is the longest serving senator.
On the contrary, Abraham Lincoln had TWO years of experience in US congress (as a congressman from Illinois) before he ran for president.
And talking about McCain's "experience" at Hanoi Hilton, no one is going to lock up US president in the WH. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->he band's use of the National Anthem of the Soviet Union, as an introduction at many concerts has sparked controversy as it is seen by some as an endorsement of the repressive Soviet system
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These type of tidbits are of interest to Rush Limbaugh <b>[EDITED - ADMIN],</b> not for most americans who are worried about the food, fuel and economy.
The most significant aspect of the election is population under 30 is strongly moving towards democratic party, probably by a 2-to-1 margin and this is going to provide democrats with a lasting majority in the Congress and Senate and the executive branch (as the republicans did since 80s with the younger boomer generation of that time). I wouldn't be surprised if republicans lost 40 seats in congress (coming up with 160 as opposed to 270 for democrats).
Best interest of india lies in recognizing that fact and crafting policies accrodingly.
Here is more comical stuff from Rev. hagee , mccain supporter who claimed Hitler was on a divine mission http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/m...d_n_102892.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->John Hagee, the controversial evangelical leader and endorser of Sen. John McCain, argued in a late 1990s sermon that the Nazis had operated on God's behalf to chase the Jews from Europe and shepherd them to Palestine. According to the Reverend, <b>Adolph Hitler was a "hunter," sent by God, who was tasked with expediting God's will of having the Jews re-establish a state of Israel.</b>
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Apte,
This is not Obama promotion center. Majority of people in this forum are outside of USA.<b> For candidate discussion join some other forum or blog</b>. Here we can discuss factor effecting election race, gender biased, far-left, right wing factors etc. Not candidate.
- Moderator hat on.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+May 22 2008, 07:55 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ May 22 2008, 07:55 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Apte,
This is not Obama promotion center
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Going by the posts here, I would have thought this is an Obama denigration center
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Majority of people in this forum are outside of USA
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That is why it is even more important for people to get both sides of the story
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Here we can discuss factor effecting election race, gender biased, far-left, right wing factors etc. Not candidate
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I didn't see any similar even-handed analysis on McCain or Hillary
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->ection here are not like India. Indian polling staff are government staff, Here they are from county and not very honest. Street money plays very important role. I think they can beat even Pakistan election corruption. I lost trust.
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County is a form of local govt in US. Power is decentralized in US unlike in India where there is more centralization
When it comes to corruption and honesty, US is ranked 20th vs India at 72nd, slightly below Cuba (61) and above Saudi Arabia (79) and Pakistan 139th (based on CPI from transparency international). So a comparison with Pakistan on corruption is meaningless.
Based on my personal experience, corruption at lower rungs/local government in US is almost non-existent while the same can not be said about India.
05-22-2008, 07:26 PM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2008, 07:28 PM by Husky.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Majority of people in this forum are outside of USA<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->That is why it is even more important for people to get both sides of the story<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->You presume we (people outside of USA) care.
As far as Hindus are concerned, those outside the US care only about one thing: US foreign policy, particularly vis-a-vis India. But we know that already. Whoever gets elected, Republikkkan or Demoncrat, nothing will change.
Broken record, but it bears repeating: http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Glimpses_III.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->When she was US ambassador to the UN, Mrs. Jean Kirkpatrick once said that <b>"the break-up of India is one of the goals of the American foreign policy."</b> Patrick Moynihan, who had held the same job, said more recently, "After the break-up of the Soviet Union, the artificial state India is also bound to break up."
(source: Indigenous Indians: Agastya to Ambedkar - By Koenraad Elst p. 59-60).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When I hear the name Obama I foresee funding for communistos and subversives.
When I hear the name McCain I foresee funding for christoterrorism and subversives.
When I hear the name Clinton, I foresee some funding for christoterrorism (as before) and continued rape of Serbia (thread http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index....topic=1373 ).
So forgive me for not getting up out of my seat and cheering (or caring a twig). Timely backache you know.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->McCain is hosting at least three Republicans mentioned as potential vice presidential running mates at his Sedona, Ariz., home this weekend â Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, Louisiana Gov. <b>Bobby Jinda</b>l and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. A top aide said it's a social event with more than two dozen guests not meant for veep vetting.
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<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+May 22 2008, 11:17 AM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ May 22 2008, 11:17 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Bobby Jinda</b>
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The biggest US Inyaan traitor to date. Converted himself, his wife, and his name to become Governor. Next he might pimp his own mother to be McCain's running mate. Some real scum we foster.
HuffPo's seems to have lost all credibility and it's now worse than any of those other right wing web site they've been ranting about for past 4 years.
All far-left media had lost credibility. Now I think Bush was not that bad, media made him look like bad, even Cheney.
Far-left and Hemp are good buddies.
Hillary was refering it too RFK was in primary , in June he was assisnated but these low IQ scum twisted whole thing.
Same they called Obama rally of 76K, infact it was Bon Jovi and Decemerist commie band was playing.
Same this media who takes Pakistan side and bash India.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->A Missouri car dealer said on Thursday sales have soared at his auto and truck business since launching a promotion this week that promises buyers a free handgun or a $250 gas card with every purchase.
<b>"We did it because of Barack Obama. He said all those people in the Midwest, you've got to have compassion for them because they're clinging to their guns and their Bibles. I found that quite offensive."
"We all go to church on Sunday and we all carry guns," said Muller. "I've got a gun in my pocket right now. I have a rifle in my truck. We've got to shoot the coyotes out here, they're attacking our cows, our chickens. We're not clinging to nothing. We're just damn glad to live in a free country where you can have a gun if you want. This is the way it ought to be."</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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