False Potrayal Of Hinduism/hindu Religion

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[acharya]

Agenda

Hindus missing the wood for the trees
By Dr Gautam Sen

An ideologically intransigent and demographically expansionist Islam may terrorise Hindus into complete submission at an opportune moment. Women of the defeated fancied by the conquerors will be consigned to their notorious harems and a surge in religious conversion will occur in the name of the religion of peace and tolerance.

Hindus are apparently failing to grasp that these persistent attacks constitute a prelude to the kill of a grievously injured prey. Disputing the veracity of the unremitting libel and abuse against them, as if it was all an unfortunate misunderstanding that could be dispelled by reason and logic, merely confirms that Hindus, like the doomed Bourbons of France, have learnt nothing and forgotten nothing.

The other wood Hindus cannot seem to fathom amid the trees is the diabolical role the British played in their history. After inflicting on them famines and mass death in the 1760s, resulting in seven million dead (quarter of Bengal’s population) because of rapacious looting immediately after Plassey, they caused the deaths of untold millions in the same Bengal on the eve of their departure almost exactly 180 years later.

Hindu understanding of the world they inhabit and their associated political activity sadly give the impression of missing the wood for the trees. Running around like headless chickens disconsolate Hindus protest a myriad of slights, insults and assaults. But they are failing to grasp the alarming interconnectedness of outwardly disparate events and how profoundly consequential they are for the destiny of Hindus.

For more than a thousand years luck (being relatively numerous at a time when the physical reach of predators was limited) and fierce intermittent resistance combined to prolong fragile Hindu survival. In the contemporary world, there is an intensification of the on going war against Hindus whether by the jehadi pornographer Husain trashing the most sacred Hindu objects of veneration, abetted by their own obscene elites, or the brazen denunciation of their ancient epic, the Ramayana by some ASI low-life.

Hindus are apparently failing to grasp that these persistent attacks constitute a prelude to the kill of a grievously injured prey. Disputing the veracity of the unremitting libel and abuse against them, as if it was all an unfortunate misunderstanding that could be dispelled by reason and logic, merely confirms that Hindus, like the doomed Bourbons of France, have learnt nothing and forgotten nothing. The Mahatma has indeed reached out from his samadhi to ensure that an instinct of ‘collective suicide’, as he constantly enjoined, remains the default setting in the Hindu psyche. That the Mahatma is the guiding light of Hindus rather than a Shivaji, Vivekananda or Aurobindo is a final testament to their degradation and impending demise.

The world is going to be apportioned between Christians and Muslims, with China the outlier entering the fray in competition with them at some future date. However, Islamo-Christian conflict has constituted the unfolding history of the world for the past 1500 years, with the religion of love coming into deadly conflict with the religion of peace after 571 AD. Christian imperialism advanced with spectacular brutality after Emperor Constantine turned it into the political ideology of the Roman State and the Islamic reprise that earlier swept all in its path ended at the gates of Vienna in 1683. Hindus have simply remained the last frontier until the counterparts of the Red Indians are finally erased and the domination of the white Christians or the execrable bearded clergy becomes unassailable.

Of course, an ideologically intransigent and demographically expansionist Islam may terrorise Hindus into complete submission at an opportune moment. Women of the defeated fancied by the conquerors will be consigned to their notorious harems and a surge in religious conversion will occur in the name of the religion of peace and tolerance. They will then resume their world-historical struggle against white Christian societies of European origin. But it is the Christians, who are militarily pre-eminent at present and they have also cornered the current market in intellectual thought, ideas and moral purpose. They will duplicitously eulogise and lament the passing of the creative Hindus, having wreaked havoc on them in the first place themselves. To destroy and then ceremoniously shed tears as you do so dramatically signifies a civilisation’s complete political dominion. It is achieved by taking control of legitimate intellectual discourse, the associated custodianship of interpreting human experience and the transmission of ideas, so that even the victims upon whom destruction is being inflicted lose their capacity to know their own fate. White Christians have achieved this remarkably blessed status by truly making their own industries that fabricate human knowledge and the world’s media that disseminates it.

This is why the insistence of various so-called Hindutva surrogates abroad on engaging in interfaith dialogue is baffling in the extreme. Of course the era of Bania primacy could provide a mundane explanation since Hindu activists of all stripes have succumbed to the values of low commerce. The lure of money seems to breed stupidity and instil self-righteous confidence; attributes instantly observable in the political activists concerned despite feigned phoney self-deprecation. Since interfaith dialogue ought to imply mutual respect evangelical activity is in blatant and hypocritical contravention of its basic purport. Christians simultaneously engage in interfaith dialogue and evangelical activity to lull potential victims into a false sense of security and misguided notions of self-worth. Such a devious stratagem only highlights utter contempt and disrespect for Hindus with whom they engage in the charade of interfaith dialogue. Petting a goat before its slaughter is a well-known routine before the kill. But Hindus aim to please and the unspoken question that seems forever poised on their lips is how low they need to bow when self-abasement is required of them.

The other wood Hindus cannot seem to fathom amid the trees is the diabolical role the British played in their history. After inflicting on them famines and mass death in the 1760s, resulting in seven million dead (quarter of Bengal’s population) because of rapacious looting immediately after Plassey, they caused the deaths of untold millions in the same Bengal on the eve of their departure almost exactly 180 years later. During the interim colonial history countless manmade famines are recorded and the post-1857 holocaust of mass murder is only being uncovered now. This is the period in which the British went on exultant killing sprees to avenge the alleged rape of their women during the first war of Independence itself. Needless to say that there was enthusiastic domestic British support for the mass murder, with the writer Charles Dickens himself declaring his fervent approval.

In more recent times, the British political establishment, having first assiduously promoted Indian’s partition in 1947, cynically sought India’s further disintegration by inciting the notorious Khalistani assassin Jagjit Singh Chauhan to declare independence from British soil on the very day Dhaka fell to the Indian army. And it was a British High Commissioner who invented the figure of 2000 killed in post-Godhra Gujarat that has become the stick to beat Hindus with for all time to come. Avarice and racial hatred were always the dominant themes of the British interaction with India.

Yet many Indians exhibit an embarrassing infatuation for all things British. India’s allegedly Rightist journalists swear by inferred British values, which only ever apply to the white British of course. Indeed the most ‘celebrated’ among them once notoriously dubbed Britain’s Queen India’s monarch too! The Left playing havoc with India’s future imbibed their half-baked, bankrupt ideas and political whims from British universities in which intelligence agents routinely masquerade as Leftist radicals. Today, the majority of British Leftists have discovered in Hinduism the greatest threat posed to human civilisation since the Nazis. Most of them attribute Islamic terrorism partly to Hindu oppression and quietly applaud the punishment being meted out to Hindus in various Indian cities by Islamic terrorists.

Yet Indians cannot avoid being seduced by the machinations of the British State and its minions, not least some intelligence agents, who have made India their home, disguised as writers. One of the most sickening spectacles is the way all and sundry lionises them in India, so irresistible are charms of proximity to a bona fide white presence. It was therefore unsurprising to learn that a British academic, involved with British intelligence, was able to place an Indian Leftist in a major university post in Delhi, so compelling is the value placed on white intercession. But to witness the Prime Minister of India standing next to him at an inauguration ceremony in Delhi recently was startling nevertheless.

Hindus need to understand that Islamo-Christianity is essentially hostile to their survival as an autonomous culture and political society. Their imperialistic impulses are a grave danger to Hindus because the porosity of the modern world has made their society vulnerable to inimical influences in familiar and novel ways. The eventual outcome for Hindus will have nothing to do with whether are good or bad people, talented or not, etc. It will have everything to do with the fact that politics abhors a power vacuum and politically divided Hindus without a government prepared to defend them and their interests, which has been their dismal fate for hundreds of years, at least since the great visionary soldier Shivaji, cannot survive. All the bad things constantly happening to them, from California and Bangladesh to everywhere in India, which is probably the most dangerous place in the world for Hindus, is part of a relentless pattern.

It is this political pattern that Hindus need to recognise and comprehend. And its evolution highlights starkly for anyone willing to see that appeals to justice and fairness are totally misplaced. What is taking place is a war of extermination, which is simultaneously social, political and biological, and Hindus are its victims. They will be converted, subjugated or destroyed as the two Semitic religions have unfailingly done to all rivals or any group that happens to differ from them. Christians and Muslims will eventually engage in even deadlier conflict with each other than they are already, but they will destroy the weak Hindus first because it is too tempting an opportunity to disdain.

[Hauma Hamiddha]

While pessimistic Gautam Sen is largely correct in his general scheme of thought

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Gautam Sen's article is excellent.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->pessimistic Gautam Sen<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'd have to call him a realist, sad to say... as his writing indicates how our position is bleak.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But it is the Christians, who are militarily pre-eminent at present and they have also cornered the current market in intellectual thought, ideas and moral purpose. <span style='color:blue'>They will duplicitously eulogise and lament the passing of the creative Hindus, having wreaked havoc on them in the first place themselves. To destroy and then ceremoniously shed tears as you do so dramatically signifies a civilisation’s complete political dominion. It is achieved by taking control of legitimate intellectual discourse, the associated custodianship of interpreting human experience and the transmission of ideas,<b> so that even the victims upon whom destruction is being inflicted lose their capacity to know their own fate.</b> White Christians have achieved this remarkably blessed status by truly making their own industries that fabricate human knowledge and the world’s media that disseminates it.</span><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I could never have been able to phrase this idea that wordlessly haunted my mind for ... oh for a long time now. Thanks to Mr Sen for saying it and in such a comprehensible way.


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Mahatma has indeed reached out from his samadhi to ensure that an instinct of ‘collective suicide’, as he constantly enjoined, remains the default setting in the Hindu psyche. That the Mahatma is the guiding light of Hindus rather than a Shivaji, Vivekananda or Aurobindo is a final testament to their degradation and impending demise.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hear hear. Collective suicide is the self-hypnotised Hindu's slogan. Why follow Gandhi's worst suggestions?

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This is why the insistence of various so-called Hindutva surrogates abroad on engaging in <b>interfaith dialogue is baffling in the extreme</b>. Of course the era of Bania primacy could provide a mundane explanation since Hindu activists of all stripes have succumbed to the values of low commerce. The lure of money seems to breed stupidity and instil self-righteous confidence; attributes instantly observable in the political activists concerned despite feigned phoney self-deprecation. <b>Since interfaith dialogue ought to imply mutual respect evangelical activity is in blatant and hypocritical contravention of its basic purport. Christians simultaneously engage in interfaith dialogue and evangelical activity to lull potential victims into a false sense of security and misguided notions of self-worth. Such a devious stratagem only highlights utter contempt and disrespect for Hindus with whom they engage in the charade of interfaith dialogue. Petting a goat before its slaughter is a well-known routine before the kill.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This ought to be pasted and repasted all over the internet whereever Indians frequent.
Next time some cookie Hindu wants to join in some interfaith 'dialogue' - ask them to start the topic on "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me". Let's see how far Hindus get in trying to reach a 'compromise' with christoislamis on these views. Before long, the Hindus dialoguing will squirm. Because they'll realise that that biblical statement is intractable, absolute. But by far most Hindus don't know that yet. They don't even know to bring it up for discussion; even though (from the Natural Religionists' end) it ought to be the most fundamental point of talk when engaging christoislamism! (Although any attempts to engage christoislam would always be futile.) Obviously those Hindus deluded enough to think that interfaith dialogues would be producative, are unwilling or otherwise unable to set the agenda: just getting invited to "discuss" makes Hindus think they've scored and that somehow Hinduism will be accepted and be accorded a right to exist. Yeah right.

I don't see Hindus dialoguing with terrorists. Does it make sense to dialogue with terrorism - is there anything that can be gained from talking to people whose major tenet is to destroy all opposing ways of life? No? Then *why* would you negotiate with the most established - ~1700-year-old - terrorist tradition: christoislamism? <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It was therefore unsurprising to learn that a British academic, involved with British intelligence, was able to place an Indian Leftist in a major university post in Delhi, so compelling is the value placed on white intercession. But to witness the Prime Minister of India standing next to him at an inauguration ceremony in Delhi recently was startling nevertheless.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Just for my own information, who was this?

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And it was a <b>British High Commissioner</b> who invented the figure of 2000 killed in post-Godhra Gujarat that has become the stick to beat Hindus with for all time to come. Avarice and racial hatred were always the dominant themes of the British interaction with India.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Does anyone know this person's name? Elst mentioned the character as well.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->India’s allegedly Rightist journalists swear by inferred British values, which only ever apply to the white British of course. Indeed the most ‘celebrated’ among them once notoriously dubbed Britain’s Queen India’s monarch too!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Which looney thought the British queen is India's sovereign? Name and shame, please. I'll need their name to make them famous where I live.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The other wood Hindus cannot seem to fathom amid the trees is the diabolical role the British played in their history. After inflicting on them famines and mass death in the 1760s, resulting in seven million dead (quarter of Bengal’s population)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Next time, also include the huge famine in Tamil Nadu - which was also sent With Love from England. Although it is namelessly mentioned in passing in the following sentence. I suppose I can imagine that the list would become very long if all the christian famines in India thanks to the British were to be given:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->During the interim colonial history <b>countless manmade famines</b> are recorded and the post-1857 holocaust of mass murder is only being uncovered now. This is the period in which the British went on exultant killing sprees to avenge the alleged rape of their women during the first war of Independence itself. Needless to say that there was <b>enthusiastic domestic British support for the mass murder</b>, with the writer Charles Dickens himself declaring his fervent approval.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Christos of the blink-or-you'll-miss-it "British empire" already played at Manufacturing Consent back then itself. They did a great propaganda tour back in their homeland to drum up support for their ultra-vindictive retaliation on Indians who had dared to rise up against their tyranny.

[ramana]

Pioneer, 19 Oct., 2007
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Why should Puja too be secular?</b>

Priyadarsi Dutta

This is the third day of the greatest of Hindu festivals; and the whole of Hindu world is in highest transportation of exhilaration": Thus read the first line of a lengthy essay Origin of the Durga Puja published in the Calcutta weekly Hindu Patriot on October 19, 1874.

This year's Durga Puja almost coincides with the dates of that year, but anybody in Kolkata would hardly describe it as the 'greatest Hindu festival' today. <b>Durga Puja has for long been 'secularised' into being the 'greatest Bengali festival'.</b> The media glamorises it only in that way unless there is an uncomfortable mention about its celebration in the neighbouring Islamic republic of Bangladesh. Then alone, one is forced to acknowledge that Durga Puja is more a function of Hinduism than Bengali speakers.

<b>It's been 250 years since the first publicised Durga Puja, instituted in 1757 by Raja Nabakrishna Deb in his newly constructed mansion, Rajbari, at Shovabazar took place. Lord Clive, the architect of the British victory in the battle of Plassey was invited as the chief guest.</b> As Nawab Siraj-ud-Daula had demolished the Church of Calcutta during his attack on the city, Clive had no place for thanksgiving. So, Deb invited Lord Clive for thanksgiving to the "Universal Mother".

Earlier, Deb had acted as Munshi to the acting Governor of Calcutta, Roger Drake, and a Persian tutor to Lord Warren Hastings. <b>The British found his sound counsel precious in overthrowing the 550-year old Nawabi rule from Bengal.</b> Despite being proficient in Persian, Arabic and Urdu, he did not publicise Bengali secularism much. However, today's elders of Shovabazar like Aloke Krishna and Amal Krishna Deb cautiously avoid mentioning Clive in connection with the Puja.

The Hindu Patriot article traces the origin of Durga Puja from the Vedas: "...the great Durga festival of Hindus takes place in autumn... its vitality has been as it were co-extensive with the nationality of Hindus". <b>The newspaper run by Harish Chandra Mukherjee of Bhowanipur, although critical of many British policies, treated the rule by foreigners as deliverance for Hindus who, according to it, constituted a nation. </b>Thus it played a leading role in arguing against the 1857 uprising, which Mukherjee saw as undoing the gains Hindus have made since 1757. Mukherjee did not see West Bengal's pre-Puja secular madness of Rizwanur Rehman in the 250th year of Bengal's great deliverance.

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<!--QuoteBegin-Jaggu+Oct 21 2007, 05:34 AM-->QUOTE(Jaggu @ Oct 21 2007, 05:34 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->www.anti-caste.org
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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->There's a link on the right in that visually confusing page labelled "Marxists on India". Clicking on it, you can see this:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The imperialist yoke assumes in India, the classic colony, infinitely more direct and palpable forms than in China. The survivals of feudal and serf relations in India are immeasurably deeper and greater. Nevertheless, or rather precisely for this reason, the methods which, applied in China, undermined the revolution, must result in India in even more fatal consequences.<b> The overthrow of Hindu feudalism and of Anglo-Hindu bureaucracy and British militarism can be accomplished only by</b> a gigantic and an indomitable movement of the popular masses which precisely because of its powerful sweep and irresistability, its international aims and ties, cannot tolerate any halfway and compromising opportunist measures on the part of the leadership.

<i>Leon Trotsky
The Third International After Lenin (1928)</i>

[A picture of a drawing]
<b>portrait of Lenin on a monument to a CPI leader erected in a madiga (untouchable) colony in Thelaprolu, Andhra Pradesh</b>
(And their point is.... obvious.
Oh and just a question: <i>who</i> exactly erected that picture? Because I can also put a picture of the American flag in village X and say that it considers itself American, but that doesn't mean anything.)


(Then follows a bunch of links to communist works
Karl Marx

Friedrich Engels

Karl Kautsky and the Second International

Lenin

the early Communist International

M. N. Roy

Leon Trotsky

Trotskyist Press on India/Sri Lanka, 1939-51

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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Gee, I wonder who set up such a site and whether they actually care about the ordeals Harijan have been facing.... Of course they don't, communists are amongst the most callous people in the world. They're just hoping to muster troubled communities and individuals and trick them into starting a lame communist revolution. After which they always go post-French Revolution on you: start killing even the revolutionaries. The sooner humans start sprinting (not walking) away when they see the red flag, the better for their own futures.

[Husky]

(1) Temple to Mahendra in India.
Geet posted this in Nov 07 and I missed a small revelation in it:
<!--QuoteBegin-Geet+Nov 30 2007, 09:56 PM-->QUOTE(Geet @ Nov 30 2007, 09:56 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Cursed Indian gem on display in UK
Nov 26, 2007

London The Delhi Purple Sapphire, a gem that is believed by many to be "cursed", will go on public display at the vault in the Natural History Museum in London, on Wednesday.

A spokesman of the museum said today that the Sapphire was brought to the UK by a Bengal cavalryman, Colonel W Ferris, after being looted from <b>the Temple of Indra</b> in Kanpur during the war of 1857.[right][snapback]75732[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Western scholars are always duplicitously harping on about how India didn't and therefore doesn't have Temples to Indra and that Nepal is the only one that has them. Well, this shows that in 1857 there still was at least one dedicated to Indra in India, as admitted here by a British museum spokesman.
But what can ya do, the christoterrorists from Britain looted this one in Kanpur.

(2) Skanda in Vedam.
I don't know if anyone else came across the modern christolie that western 'scholars' have been trying to use to mislead people that Skanda is actually Alexander's deification in India <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> ... <!--emo&:lol:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Western pseudoscholarship really likes playing letter/word games and they just don't get that Skanda and Alexandros are not the same.... Last I recall they played that same psyops game with Kandahar where it was suddenly supposed to have been named for Alexander (:cough loony :cough) instead of Gandhara.

Just 'cause Tamizh people would sometimes pronounce Skanda as Skandar (similar to how we sometimes say Murugar or Ramar in certain grammatical situations), does not mean that it is therefore ludicrously related to Alexander/'Sikander' as they imagine. (It appears that islam elevated Alexander to one of their prophets, but the west apparently confuses islam and Hinduism in thinking we also did the same apotheosis as the islamis. Before christos laugh at islamis though, they need to consider that they performed apotheosis on a <i>fictional</i> character: jeebus).

Anyway, in a Panchangam published at "HimalayanAcademy" I found a lot of statements from Hindu Dharmic literature, including the following:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->To such a one who has his stains wiped away, the venerable Sanatkumara shows the further shore of darkness. Him they call Skanda.
<b>Sama Veda</b> ChandU 7.26.2. UpH, 262<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Am assuming this is indeed the same Sama Veda I am thinking of, in which case: unless the christo scholars now claim that Sama Veda was composed after Alexander III came to India, we can bid adieu to that christolie.
Oh but I forgot, everything Hindu was written yesterday or this morning when the Oryans invaded. Or so says christoislamicommunism. (Christos and their psecular footmen are saying that the Hindu Tirukkural was written in 200 CE instead of 200 BCE just so that they can then claim it is christian! :liars: See http://hamsa.org/jihc.htm "Ved Prakash exposes noted history professor as a liar and agent of Catholic propaganda" The intention is of course to use the lie to convert Thamizh Hindus.)


Anyways, here's another Hindu jewel, just for the sake of it. The same Panchangam mentioned somewhere in this post also contains the following shloka on Skanda/Muruga <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In the gloom of fear, His six-fold face gleams. In perils unbounded, His vel betokens, 'Fear not.'
<b>Tirumurai</b> 11. KD, 224<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Vel is Thamizh for Murugan's Spear, his sacred weapon with which he is always depicted and which is adorned with Veeboothi, Kungumam and Chandanam. And garlands too. Just like he is.

[Husky]

<!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Jan 1 2008, 12:39 PM-->QUOTE(Husky @ Jan 1 2008, 12:39 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->(2) Skanda in Vedam.
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Anyway, in a Panchangam published at "HimalayanAcademy" I found a lot of statements from Hindu Dharmic literature, including the following:
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->To such a one who has his stains wiped away, the venerable Sanatkumara shows the further shore of darkness. Him they call Skanda.
<b>Sama Veda</b> ChandU 7.26.2. UpH, 262<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Am assuming this is indeed the same Sama Veda I am thinking of[right][snapback]76687[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The abbreviations are unfamiliar, making the full ref statement unclear to me. "ChandU" is Chandogya Upanishad? Does that "Sama Veda ChandU" mean commentary on the Sama Veda and not Sama Veda itself? (These are actual questions - not rhetorical ones, and it's not sarcasm either.)

[acharya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBwvaTi8GtI

http://www.british-israel.ca/hinduism.htm


<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Conclusion

Hinduism cannot answer the essential philosophic questions that always arise wherever and whenever the human intellect matures. It has been weighed in the scales of truth and have been found lacking.

Even more importantly, Hinduism has no concept of a Creator God, the Creation, the Fall of man into sin and guilt, a Day of Judgment, atonement or forgiveness, or a Savior who redeems us from our sins by the sacrifice of Himself in our place.

It did not produce democracy, science or equality among different races and racks of mankind. Instead it produced great social evils which afflict the Indian people to this day. As a religion and a philosophy, Hinduism is a complete failure and cannot provide a basis for meaning, significance, justice, morals, truth and beauty.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

[acharya]

Chek this guy out

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Kreativehites

[Shambhu]

<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Jan 18 2008, 06:53 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Jan 18 2008, 06:53 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBwvaTi8GtI

http://www.british-israel.ca/hinduism.htm


<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Conclusion

Hinduism cannot answer the essential philosophic questions that always arise wherever and whenever the human intellect matures. It has been weighed in the scales of truth and have been found lacking.

Even more importantly, Hinduism has no concept of a Creator God, the Creation, the Fall of man into sin and guilt, a Day of Judgment, atonement or forgiveness, or a Savior who redeems us from our sins by the sacrifice of Himself in our place.

It did not produce democracy, science or equality among different races and racks of mankind. Instead it produced great social evils which afflict the Indian people to this day. As a religion and a philosophy, Hinduism is a complete failure and cannot provide a basis for meaning, significance, justice, morals, truth and beauty.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Heh! Halfwits have a bits-and-pieces copy of Dharma superimposed on a mishmash of their wide-eyed messianic memes and crowd-control algorithms. And now the clueless purveyors of superficiality want to compare their second-grader-built carts (Abrahamic cults) to the Dharmic Ferrari. And thet are complaining how poorly built the Ferrari is, because it cannot be pushed and pulled along by second-graders like their oh-so-blue-eyed cart. Brother.. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo-->

[acharya]

<b>Scholarly Mischief
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Lacking a broad understanding of the subject, and probably intentionally aiming at hurting Hindu sentiments for political gain, some scholars, particularly Indian Marxists, have emphasized the meat-eating side of Hindu practices. They like to quote a few instances of possible eating of beef in ancient Vedic texts, which they highlight or exaggerate, as if this invalidated the numerous Hindus who have been vegetarian or makes a mockery of Hindu teachings about the subject.

We should point out that no Buddhist country in the world today is predominantly vegetarian. Tibetan and Japanese monks eat meat, including red meat (even the Dalai Lama). To my knowledge, only the Chinese Buddhist monks today are still vegetarian. Yet this does not mean that non-violence, respect for animals or even promotion of vegetarianism are not Buddhist or are opposed to Buddha Dharma.

In ancient times, there was an even greater diversity of culture, education, agricultural practices and life-styles among the different peoples of the subcontinent of India that Hindu teachings reached, including several nomadic groups. These different groups were given their freedom in determining their diet and culture, which in some instances included meat eating.

Yet when meat eating was resorted to it was encouraged to be done only as a sacrifice, a sacred ritual, often only performed on special occasions, not in the modern consumerist manner, much less the American style of beef for dinner every night.

If we look at the whole of the Rig Veda, which is the oldest and the longest Vedic text (routinely said to be anywhere from 3500 to 5000 years old), the main Vedic offerings are ghee (ghrita), honey (madhu), Soma, milk (go, payas), yogurt (dadhi), grain (yava) and other plant and dairy products, which are mentioned hundreds of times. Soma, a plant juice, is said to be the supreme offering to the Gods.

References to actual animal sacrifices do exist in the Rig Veda but are relatively few, only a handful, and even these are often highly symbolic. Animal sacrifice (pashu bandhu) is outlined in several Vedic texts as one of many different possible offerings, not as the main offering. Even so, the animal could only be killed along with special mantras and rituals. The killing of the bull is not mentioned as a type of pashu bandhu. The goat is the main animal used. A special horse sacrifice also existed (ashvamedha) but was a royal ritual taking an entire year to consecrate a single animal for the sacrifice, not a common article of food!

Yet there are a few possible instances referring to the sacrifice of bulls (not of female cows). These might have been symbolic but could have occurred in some communities, particularly of a cow herding type that had too many bulls, or perhaps in times of famine when other food was not available. Such possible rare instances cannot be entirely disproved, but certainly were not common either.

The Rig Veda also abounds with the honoring of the sacred nature of the cow, which similarly occurs in hundreds of instances, and continues throughout the entire Hindu tradition. Indeed the Vedic word for cow (gau), also means the earth, the Goddess, a ray of light, the senses, the soul, knowledge, the word and many other mystic meanings, reflecting its depth of connections to the Vedic mind. The care of the cow is a much more important Vedic theme, than any animal sacrifices.

One method of distortion that certain politically minded scholars use is what I would call, 'using an exception to create the rule'. Pointing out a few possible instances of eating beef in Vedic texts cannot be made into a rule for discrediting the great history of cow protection in India. A few Christian monastic groups were vegetarian as well. This cannot be used to make Christianity as we know it into a vegetarian tradition.

As Hinduism is such an ancient and many-sided religion practiced by a diversity of peoples and cultures, scholars can find such exceptions on almost any matter to make such points. Hindus also have numerous sacred texts, none of which they have to follow literally.

Another method of anti-Hindu scholars is to find something objectionable in some obscure Hindu text, perhaps thousands of years old, which not at all binding, relevant or even known to Hindus today. One can similarly find something objectionable in the ancient literature of any country. Hindus, unlike followers of other religions, are not compelled to literally believe or mindlessly follow what any Hindu text might say, particularly Hindu works on social practices (dharma sutras), which were always subject to modification relative to the needs of time, place, person and culture. This is quite unlike the Islamic Sharia lawcode, which is regarded as binding for all Muslims today. One can just as well point out objectionable practices in Christian lawcodes of the Middle Ages as indicating what Christianity is today!

To deal with such distortions, Hindus should know their religion better. They should be aware of the diversity of Hindu groups and practices historically and geographically. What Hindu Dharma overall promotes is a recognition of the sacred. This includes honoring the diversity of life in terms of individuals, cultures, plants, animals and the entire world of nature. Hindu vegetarianism arose out of that recognition and should be viewed in that context.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HINDUISM – A HISTORIC FRAUD

Historically there existed no religion called Hinduism and this fact does not require any new proof neither it represented the whole of society or a majority of it. It was only called as the ‘Sanatan dharma’ by its creators and defenders i.e., the Brahmins. Hinduism means nothing but Brahmanism and it was defined so only by Brahmins – not by us. They have never used the term ‘Hindu’ in any of their scriptures.

In fact, the twice born (Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaisya) did not have any dispute over the doctrines of Varna and karma, but, they were divided among themselves into six religions like saivism and vaishnavism; When the Brahminic authority floundered with the rise of Buddhism, Aajeevakam and Jainism, various Brahmin sanatanists tried to redefine the philosophical basis of varna and caste, in order to defend it. Sankara was one of them, who were instrumental in achieving some sort of unity amongst those six religions, defeating enemies through deceit and oppression.

The ‘Hinduism’ of the Vedic age was different from the one of the Upanishadic period; likewise, the ‘Hinduism’ of Bhagavat Gita varies much from that of the upanishadic period; Shankara’s ‘Hinduism’ is different from the present day ‘Hinduism’. Idol worship’ Temple worship and the doctrine against cow-slaughter were appropriated and developed by Brahminism in its struggle against Buddhism.

Brahminic Hinduism has always adapted itself to the political and economic realities and to defend itself from the onslaught of other religions.

It has adapted without much fuss, even conceded to upgrade the status of certain individuals and groups in the Varna hierarchy.

But it would not budge an inch in the matters of defending Varna dharma as a system and its own supremacy in the Pyramid. The attitude of Brahminism towards religious conversions is also worth mentioning here. While opposing conversions, in order to retain the oppressed castes in their fold , they argue that varna and caste s division did not exist in Vedic or Upanishadic age .Thus they absolve themselves of the crime , but shamelessly continue to enforce caste in all religious matters .

The Shankaracharya of Kanchi was quite frank when he thanked the British for introducing the ‘Legal Hindu Religion’ and saving the Sanatanists from the danger of becoming minority ‘in the own land’

“Had they [ the British ] not given us the name ” Hindu ” we could have divided ourselves into various religion - like Saivites, Vaishnavites, Sakthas, Muruga Bhakts and as devotees of Ellai Amma - in every town . Is there a common God for Saivites and Vaishnavites? No, Siva is not the God of Vaishnavites; the militant Saivites say that Vishnu is not a God at all, but only a devotee of Lord Shiva. Can anyone consider these two as belonging to a single religion? The British gave a common name – HINDU, and we are saved. The name that they christened saved us.”

- Sri Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi, Kanchi Paramacharya, Voice of God Volume 1, Page: 266. [Tamil Edn]

Hence, recognising Hinduism as a religion amounts to subscribing to a historic falsity and it also amounts to appeasing the Hindu Fascists.


ATTACK HINDUISM THAT SANCTIFIES CASTE OPPRESSION

Caste should not be seen as a mere obstacle blocking class unity. It is a separate socio-economic oppressive system existing in the base. Class struggle and caste struggle are not to be fought side by side or alongside. Caste struggle is part of class struggle. Sometimes the caste aspect takes the primary form, while the class aspect becomes primary in certain other situations. Hence both the prepositions of ‘class struggle a pre-condition to class struggle’ and ‘giving up of caste struggle in the interest of class struggle’ are wrong. Both the class and caste struggles should be carried out simultaneously, so that one compliments the other and helps the development of the revolutionary movement.

Struggle against caste oppression or untouchability are not to be treated as mere local issues to be settled with a particular land lord or a community. Its scope should be extended to fight Brahminic Hindu religion that sanctifies caste system. Only the “class unity” achieved on these lines will help removing the ‘caste consciousness’ among the people and effect the fall of Brahminic Hindu religion.

HINDUISM IN ITSELF IS COMMUNAL

In the struggle against Hindu communalism the focus is mainly made opposing the anti-muslim propaganda. Historic distortions and communalization – of secular issues by the sangh parivar and the class interest behind its politics should definitely be exposed.

But due importance should be given to wipe out the social base it has created among the oppressed castes in the name of ‘Hindu unity”. A mere reference to the upper caste nature of its leadership is not enough. The fact ‘communal’ towards to its ‘own’ members should be highlighted.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


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I am a dalit and I belong to a Scheduled Caste community of Karnataka. I am in the state administrative service. I am involved in some dalit organizations and we work for the upliftment for dalits and their rights. Our families are staunch Hindus since many many generations. Our family deity is Marikamba of Banvasi and have ties with the temple trust since generations. There are many in our families who are in government service and we are being forced from so called dalit leaders to fight against Hinduism and become Christians, Muslims or Budhists. I have been personally asked by some so called dalit christians to come and join christianity and abuse hinduism and I have been promised many financial benefits. I know of many of my friends and relatives who are dalits who have also been asked these things. I was educated in the Ramakrishna mission and I hold Swami Vivekanada and Mahatma Gandhi as some of my Idols.It was Mahatma Gandhi who stopped the animal sacrifice in Marikamba temple in Banavasi. I have great regards for Babasaheb Ambedkar and agree with him in all counts except on the fact of ridiculing hinduism. Hinduism like other religions had / has many evils. But it is a great religion and gives utmost importance to spirituality and humanism. All the abuse heaped by these so called dalits cannot change this relaity of Hinduism. What is important is to understand that we are all one human race and not create more divisions.

I have interacted with many many brahmins and other so called upper caste and have never been discriminated or anything. Most of them don’t even know what manusmrithi is. Infact it is the others who know more about manusmrithi than brahmins. I have always been on an equal footing with everyone. I don’t believe in caste and all that non sense. I have also not been subjected to any discrimination. But I know that dalits have been discriminated for generations but just abusing Hinduism due to some vested intrest is very dangerous for our country. ALso dalits have been discriminated not just by Hindus but by christians and muslims also. One more thing most Dalits know is that it is these so called savoirs of Dalits who belong to OBC and BC castes who have exploited dalits more than Brahmins. I know many Brahmins among my teachers and they have been the most ideal people with highest human values that I have ever seen in my life. There are many anti-national forces who are now mascarading as saviors of dalits. Their only agenda is to denigrate Hinduism, disintegrate india and convert people to islam and christianity. I have been approached by many organizations to work for them as we have a strong support in North and central karnataka. Some of these organizations are dangerous and they have anti national agenda. In Karnataka we have the Dalit Sangarshana Samithi, Joseph D Souza of Indian Christian council who hide themselves as Dalit freedom network and dalit voice of V.T.Rajashekar. It should also be understood that most of these people like V.T. Rajashekar, Joseph D SOuza and Kancha Iliaih are not dalits. V.T.Rajashekar is a shetty, Joseph D Souza is a goan christian and D souza’s are all converted to christianity from brahmins during portugese rule. Kancha Iliaih is from the Kuruma community and not a dalit. So all these people talking about are not from any oppressed caste. I know from some close associates that they have ties with terrorist organizations and dalit empowerment id just a mask they use. Some of the people in my family converted to buddhism as shown by babasaheb but the irony is they are only buddhists politically and they are hindus by all standards. and another funny thing is every year in october and december they again reconvert to buddhism in political functions. We need to be wary of all these forces who are trying to garner our support and use us to further some anti national agendas.
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[acharya]

Dalitnation,
Keep up the good work. This is one of the excellent articles on Racism and casteism in Indian Cricket. Please do check my article on:

http://www.josephdsouza.com/2008/01/racism...cket_and_t.html

Indians are hard-core racists due to the caste system and our obsession with being fair and white in skin color. Nowhere in the world is there such an obsession with becoming fair-skinned.

Keep up the Good cause.
Yours in Christ
Joseph De Souza
Founder: Dalit Freedom Network

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Any reason my post was deleted?

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Not sure if this should be posted here, but people may be interested. Looks like it is just starting out and they need authors.
Freepedia - the Indian encyclopedia

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<!--QuoteBegin-s.k.mody+Oct 5 2008, 11:36 PM-->QUOTE(s.k.mody @ Oct 5 2008, 11:36 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Not sure if this should be posted here, but people may be interested. Looks like it is just starting out and they need authors.
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The page http://freepedia.in/The_Jainism_and_Buddhism
looks to pretty much sum up everything that this web site stands for.

See for instance the sections
- Causes of the Rise of Jainism and Buddhism
- Contribution of Buddhism
Straight from christocommunista hystery books.

Other links at the bottom of the main page
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    * India
    * Maldives

World history

    * History of Calendars
    * The Jainism and Buddhism
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    * Parliamentary Government in India
    * The U.S. Civil War (???? What the? What does this have to do India?)
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From their main page:

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Apparently, they run a business paying people to do online work. Then somebody decides to combine this with work on an Indian Encyclopedia? A bit strange but plausible. In any case, is it just Dorkism, or is it motivated. I'm not sure. And if it is simply Dorkism, who better to correct them than the learned members of IF <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

It may be just individual authors responsible for some of the articles. In any case they don't have too many articles yet.

JMT

[Shambhu]

Day by day, I am coming to the conclusion that "Hindu is the new Jew".

The islam/west wants what Hindus have. West hates us in, islam hates us.