PANCHKULA: "Ufff..." That one word brings home the agony 19-year-old Namish is going through. It was a moan that started early on Thursday morning, much before the Vats learnt that their elder son Major Navneet Vats was no more.
ââItâs like our younger son had a telepathic connection with Navneet,ââ says the Majorâs mother, Vichitra Veena, displaying amazing composure while relatives stream in with condolences at their house in Sector 4, Panchkula.
ââHe would get excited a day before Navneet was to come home and cry bhaiya, bhaiya. On Thursday, all that heâs been saying is âuffffâ,ââ she says. Namish is mentally-challenged.
Maj Vats died in Srinagar on Thursday after six bullets ripped through his body, piercing the point where the plates of his bullet proof vest joined. ââWhat has happened has happened. It could have happened anywhere. He has served the nation, done his bit and gone forever. It cannot be undone,ââ sighs the brave mother.
Equally brave, the young Majorâs wife Shivani, married to him in 1999, keeps her composure holding her three-year-old daughter Inayat.
Niraj Vats, the Majorâs father, swallows as he says: ââWe had always thought that after we are gone, our elder son will take care of the younger one. Now, we donât know what will happen to him after us.ââ
Around 6.15 in the morning, Major Vats and a soldier of the 32 Rashtriya Rifles lost his life in the 48-hour encounter with militants in Srinagar.
Navneetâs brother-in-law Major Alok Dutt of the Armoured Corps, who had rushed in from Nabha, said Navneet was known for leading soldiers into battle from the front.
Fate's cruelty. Feel sorry for them. GOI needs to re-evaluate the startergy in Kashmir. By merely posting 700,000 men or whatever the number is, not going to be a solution.
The problem as it exists today is that of low intesity conflict. The state's resources need to be used. Its time that people of Kashmir face the heat.
Just like the Punjab problem, all this killing and death can end as soon the AKs stop coming from Pakistan.
May God help Kashmirians ppl against the indians soldiers!May God keep the Kashmirians in peace against the indians soldiers who kill without any reason so much innocent kashmirians!
Pakistan only wants the freedom of Kashmirians!
Kashmir has to belong to Pakistan or Kashmirhas to be an own state!but the kashmirians don't want to belong to india because they are in difficulties because of indian soldiers!
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Should i tell my fav hero's???
but they are from pak
[edited: Sorry not interested in Paki heros, we understand amongst your countrymen (for over 80% per paki polls/publications) even OBL is a "herrow"]
Ofcourse, such insolence, and a hard heart can be only found in a Paki rat! This world will be so much more tender without all the rats burnt to death!
<!--QuoteBegin-Sarah+Dec 23 2003, 05:50 AM-->QUOTE(Sarah @ Dec 23 2003, 05:50 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Pakistan only wants the freedom of Kashmirians!
Kashmir has to belong to Pakistan or Kashmirhas to be an own state!but the kashmirians don't want to belong to india because they are in difficulties because of indian soldiers! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you know this? Who told you Kashmiris don't want to be a part of India?
Have you seen it with your own eyes?
Please share with us where you had this experience? Where you learned all this?
Krishna!
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Its funny that people like sarah are commenting based on what sweet pakis told them.
sarah,
why don't visit kashmir and ask kashmiri in personal about this issue?
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India is free country with democratic rule.You are welcome to my india sarah.happy journey. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i am sick of ignorant pakis who spout the usual 700000 soldiers, 50k deaths, u hindus, afraid of plebiscite, our heart bleeding for kashmiri muslims, boohoohoo.......
i am sick and tired of trying to "educate" them..
but they are dangerous if u let them stew in their own juices
come to think of it.
who is more dangerous, an educated paki or an uneducated paki ??
<!--QuoteBegin-Sarah+Dec 23 2003, 05:20 PM-->QUOTE(Sarah @ Dec 23 2003, 05:20 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Pakistan only wants the freedom of Kashmirians! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then perhaps a good first step would be to stop sending in terrorists and killing them. The second step would be to leave Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. Then and then alone will the "Kashmirians" breathe the air of freedom.
Sarah(uddin) (spelling?), If you are really interested in the freedom of Kashmir, liberate Pakistan first. Kashmir will automatically be liberated (from the evil clutches of Pakistan.)
Just like a Pakistanian has absolutely no link to palestinians due to culture, lineage, geneology etc, same way, Pakistanians have no link of any sort to inhabitants of kashmir. Lets just get that fact out in the open.
Now when you speak of Kashmir you should understand, let kashmiris decide. Its a conflict between India and kashmir. And we will sort it out. Please I hope one day you just might be nice to share with us the cinflict between Sindhis and ????? well I leave it to you to finish the sentence.
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Screen heroes may rekindle memories of the 1999 Kargil War, but Indian Army officer Lieutenant Triveni Singh became a real life hero when he gunned down two terrorists in direct combat. The young soldier's raw courage averted what could have been a bloodbath at Jammu Railway Station on January 2. After accomplishing his duty, the brave officer laid down his life.
"I am proud of our young officer Lieutenant Triveni Singh, who braved firing and grenade bursts to kill both the suicide group terrorists in the shortest-ever operation at the railway station," Rajinder Singh, general officer commanding, 26 Infantry Division, said in Jammu.
Army sources said Singh, who headed the army's Quick Reaction Team posted at the station, spotted the two heavily armed Lashkar-e-Tayiba terrorists forcing their way into the station in battle fatigues. Singh and his 'Ghatak Commandos' reached the spot within 10 minutes, cordoned off the station and employed the 'zigzag methodology' to arrive within close range of the terrorists, said a senior railway police officer who was at the scene.
Singh took on the terrorists in a gunfight at close quarters. He faced indiscriminate firing and lobbing of grenades. He succeeded in killing one of them and took charge of the so far 'uncontrollable' situation, the official said. The first terrorist was killed near the bridge between the first and the second platforms, he added.
The second terrorist lobbed a grenade at Singh while trying to escape but the seriously injured officer stood up and killed him before being shot in the head.
"Task accomplished," Singh said and saluted the GOC before breathing his last.
Rajinder Singh remembered the lieutenant, who was commissioned in the 5 Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry in 2001, as a "brave and sharp boy".
Seven people were killed and 15 were injured in the attack. The exchange of fire between the two sides continued for almost two and a half hours.
Army sources said the other fatalities occurred as the terrorists fired indiscriminately while trying to get away. They said they had recovered a huge cache of AK-47 magazines and grenades from the terrorists, both suspected to be Pakistani nationals.
The lieutenant's body has been taken by land to his hometown Pathankot in Punjab, where he will be given a funeral with full military honours.
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Kashmir has to belong to Pakistan or Kashmirhas to be an own state!but the kashmirians don't want to belong to india because they are in difficulties because of indian soldiers! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you know this? Who told you Kashmiris don't want to be a part of India?
Have you seen it with your own eyes?
Please share with us where you had this experience? Where you learned all this?
Krishna!
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I have meet some ppl who lived before in Maqbooza kashmir!they told me abot these situation and kashmir is my neighbor i have directly all news which are 100 % right!
<!--QuoteBegin-vishal+Dec 24 2003, 01:40 AM-->QUOTE(vishal @ Dec 24 2003, 01:40 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Its funny that people like sarah are commenting based on what sweet pakis told them.
sarah,
why don't visit kashmir and ask kashmiri in personal about this issue?
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India is free country with democratic rule.You are welcome to my india sarah.happy journey. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i am afraid!!i can't go to kashmir!!if i'll go there the indian soldier will kill me without any reason!!!
01-05-2004, 09:54 PM (This post was last modified: 01-05-2004, 09:55 PM by Sunder.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Sarah+Jan 5 2004, 09:30 PM-->QUOTE(Sarah @ Jan 5 2004, 09:30 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> i am afraid!!i can't go to kashmir!!if i'll go there the indian soldier will kill me without any reason!!! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
True only if you enter from the pakistani side with an AK-47 slung across your shoulder with a rabid fanaticism that your madarassa teaches you. My guess is that you will be lobbing granades on the innocent Kashmiris given to you by your friendly army of TSP. - *without any reason* whatsoever.
Are you one of this kind Sarah ? If not, you have nothing to fear.
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->if i'll go there the indian soldier will kill me without any reason!!! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Huh? If you plan on dropping into your neighbour's house unannounced, I say you should be prepared to a very warm welcome. No? <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm sure with the are planes, trains, buses and ferries running between our countries you can travel using the legitimate means with all right paperwork. If you circumvent the process, please don't blame the Indian solider who will be only doing his job.
Sarah, If you cannot appreciate views, comments from the other side........don't expect us to buy your 'they-are-my-friend-my-news-is-100%-or-400%-correct-stories. You cannot use 2 different logics for the same scenario!
This would be the last post on this subject, IN THIS THREAD! (Please start a new thread on whatever u have to say!)</b>
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i am afraid!!i can't go to kashmir!!if i'll go there the indian soldier will kill me without any reason!!! <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sarah,
You will be entirely safe in India.
Here is an Article where Pakistani Muslim Brides prefer to marry Indian Men and enjoy more religious and social Freedom in India then in your beloved Lotastaan :
QADIAN (Gurdaspur): <b>If these brides had their way they would wish the border between India and Pakistan away. Married in India , it has been years since most of them visited their folks in Pakistan .
Pakistani brides living in Qadian say that they enjoy more religious and social freedom in India , apart from lots of love from their relatives and neighbours. But, they have been unable to visit their home for the last two years and opine that the "borders between two countries must be dissolved".</b>
Mubina Kanwal from Hafizabad in Pakistan was married to Mehmood Ahmad Nasir in the year 2000. Talking to TNN on Friday, Mubina says that Qadians enjoyed more freedom of religion and expression in India than in Pakistan .
"The rest of things are almost the same in both countries" she points out. About travel restrictions, Mubina burst out: "No one should separate us from our dear ones by imposing border restrictions." She agrees that before she was married in India , she used to view India as an enemy country. Now, she feels that she had been brainwashed.
Nudrat Mazid, a resident of Islamabad who has been married for last eight years to a Qadian resident Abdul Mazid Akhatr, says that life here is boring as compared to Islamabad .
A teacher, she has been unable to find a job here since here degree is not recognised in India , and Hindi is another problem. A lot of marriages are in the offing once the train services resume, she adds.
<b>Sadiqa Jakir Begum from Mandi Bahauddin in Pakistan says that life is not easy in Pakistan for Ahmadiyyas. And a visit to India is a pleasant experience.</b>
You will get the best of our Traditional Hindu Hospitality in India. <b>However you must guarantee that you will go back as India does not need any Lotastaani Immigrants â Legal or Illegal.</b> Of course we have these Lotastaani Muslim Ladies who cannot get Suitable Husbands in Lotastaan.
What has happened in Lotastaan that your women have to come to India in desperation to find suitable husbands.
Indian Army Lieutenant Triveni Singh and Special Forces Paratrooper Sanjog Chhetri have been awarded Ashok Chakra, a defence ministry spokesman told the press on Thursday.
Lieutenant Triveni Singh became a real life hero when he gunned down two terrorists in direct combat at the Jammu Railway Station on January 2 this year.
"I am proud of our young officer Lieutenant Triveni Singh, who braved firing and grenade bursts to kill both the suicide group terrorists in the shortest-ever operation at the railway station," Rajinder Singh, general officer commanding, 26 Infantry Division, had said in Jammu after the operation.
Army sources said Singh, who headed the army's Quick Reaction Team posted at the station, spotted the two heavily armed Lashkar-e-Tayyiba terrorists forcing their way into the station in battle fatigues. Singh and his 'Ghatak Commandos' reached the spot within 10 minutes and cordoned off the station.
Singh took on the terrorists in a gunfight at close quarters. He faced indiscriminate firing. He succeeded in killing one of them.
The second terrorist lobbed a grenade at Singh, who was seriously injured. But even in an injured condition he killed the terrorist. Lt Singh succumbed to his injuries later.
Holding Mahatma Gandhi and the then Congress party responsible for Bhagat Singh's martyrdom, his younger sister Parkash Kaur sees a ray of hope in Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee.
<b>"If Mahatma Gandhi and the then Congress leaders, including Jawahar Lal Nehru, had wanted to save Bhagat Singh, they could have easily done it, but they deliberately allowed Bhagat and his associates Sukhdev and Rajguru to be hanged," 85-year-old Kaur told reporters after laying a wreath at the memorial of her brother at his native village Khatkar Kalan in Punjab.</b>She hopes that Vajpayee would apprise the nation of the sacrifice of the martyrs and do something for the betterment of their kin.
Bhagat Singh would have been disillusioned if he were to see the state of affairs in the country today. The kind of values for which he had sacrificed his life for the country are missing, she said.
She accused political parties of trying to gain political mileage by organising rallies on the occasion pointing out that the Punjab government has done nothing for the benefit of Bhagat Singh's kin despite repeated requests.
"I am still getting only Rs 2,000 as pension, which was started by former chief minister Rajinder Kaur Bhattal," she said.
<b>She expressed happiness that the Pakistan's Peoples Party is observing Bhagat Singh's martyrdom day at Lahore in Pakistan</b>. The PPP had invited another of her brothers to Lahore on the occasion but he could not go because of ill health. Her nephew, Kiranjit Singh, went to Lahore to mark the occasion.
She hoped that relations with Pakistan would further improve under Vajpayee's leadership and that people of both the countries, whose elders had jointly participated in the freedom struggle, would be able to live in an atmosphere of peace.
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