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Indian Internal Security - 4 - ramana - 11-26-2008
Not my title.
From Pioneer, 25 Nov 2008
PM dials 100 for India
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->PM dials 100 to save India
Ashok K Mehta
It is difficult to keep count of the number of times Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has termed Maoism as the most serious internal threat to the country but been able to do so little to counter it. Last Sunday he was reminding Indiaâs top policemen of this, many of whom have painted a red corridor from Pashupati in Nepal to Tirupati in Andhra Pradesh. At the recent SAARC summit in Colombo, he called terrorism the single biggest threat to the stability of South Asia. After every terrorist strike in the country he promises to deal with the perpetrators of the dastardly crimes but is perpetually in denial (âwe are not soft on terrorâ).
While exhibiting rare political will in snatching the path-breaking 123 India-US civil nuclear deal from the jaws of defeat, heâs been unable to show any result in meeting threats to internal security. After the September attacks in Delhi, Parliament sanctioned mundane additions like more police stations and CCTVs.
<b>In a miraculous turn of events, last Sunday he actually ordered the establishment of a high-powered task force under the National Security Adviser to evolve a plan in 100 days to address the emerging challenges to internal security.</b> The decision is politically well timed and long overdue in a country which is the oldest victim of terrorism and where more lives have been lost tolerating the scourge than in fighting five wars on our borders. <b>Indiaâs main challenge is from within and not from across the LoC or LAC.</b>
After Operation Blue Star, in 1985 Babbar Khalsa triggered 110 transistor bombs killing 85 people around Delhi, using the same explosive mixture as employed today; many of the terrorists are still on trial. This tells you something about the lackadaisical policing and prosecuting procedures. Two-and-a-half decades after the terrorist bombings, a plan is to be initiated which, even if it is prepared, may never get implemented.
<b>Still, it is heartening to learn that National Security Adviser MK Narayanan has met officials from the US Homeland Security Department to explore ideas relevant to our ground reality.</b> The relevant of these is that the US was attacked just once on 9/11 seven years ago and never again due to comprehensively devised fail-safe preventive measures at home and pre-emptive actions abroad.
Three months ago, I wrote in these columns that one hoped the NSA, whose forte is internal security, would âkick-start a counter-terrorism mechanism culminating in a national internal security agency to stop the quarterly terrorist strikes in the heart of India emulating the Homeland Security conceptâ.
<b>Ever since the terrorist attack on Parliament House in 2001, the police, the intelligence agencies and the military have presented a number of plans to contain and defeat the indirect wars being waged by our enemies. But never was a blueprint sought by any political authority to wage a holistic campaign against the multifaceted threats to internal security. In the past, these have been addressed piecemeal without integrating hard and soft power to fight the threats.</b>
Every new challenge is met with a knee-jerk reaction. When the LTTE âair forceâ first struck Colombo in March 2007, our Navy and Air Force shrugged off the aerial threats to national assets like nuclear plants, oil refineries and shipping in the south by the Tigers. Later individually both took precautionary measures.
The Committee of Secretaries has met to review preparedness against anticipated threats from sea and air to vital installations. Earlier this year, the Cabinet Secretary ordered a review for securing strategic targets in the National Capital Region from the air. Air defence guns are to be deployed for the security of these targets. Threat recognition and response must be assigned to an independent nodal agency having authority and accountability.
Effort to institutionalise the demands of internal security was made in the late-1980s when an Internal Security Ministry was formed. In 2001, the Kargil Review Committee recommended the formation of a nodal agency for dealing with threats to internal security under a unified command. <b>In 2005, IIT Kanpur suggested establishing a National Internal Security Centre but the file got lost in North Block</b>. So, it is not for want of trying but for lack of political will that internal security is in such a big mess. <b>One can discern differences between the Prime Minister and his Home Minister over quantification of the Maoist threat.</b>
<b>Article 355 of the Constitution says that it is the duty of the Government to protect every citizen of the country.</b> Foreigners living in this internally insecure country are amazed when law and order, being a state subject, is the reason attributed to the Union Governmentâs failure to tackle terrorism which they say is war.
<b>The Supreme Court has decreed that terrorism goes beyond the pale of law and order. It has even asked the Government to establish a Central intelligence agency to probe anti-national activity that impinges on national security. In response, the Law and Home Ministries have given conflicting reasons as to why this cannot be done.</b> It is high time legal obstacles are removed and terrorism is deemed as a danger to national security. Further, law and order must become a concurrent subject.
We are woefully ill prepared to meet the current threats and future challenges to internal security in every aspect of defence and deterrence: Intelligence, investigation, policing, prosecution and punishment. <b>What is worse, politics, not national interest, determines policy and procedure.</b> With the fourth largest military, a growing economy and robust democracy, Indiaâs image as a rising power is undermined by frequent travel advisories that go to the heart of internal stability and credibility.
<b>New and bigger challenges are in the offing, centred in Afghanistan-Pakistan, the established epicentre of global terrorism. The focus of war in Iraq has shifted decisively to Afghanistan/Pakistan. Violence in this region has quadrupled over the last two years. Renewed US and Nato pressure astride the Durand Line against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, which have merged, is likely to force jihadi human bombers towards the Kashmir theatre of operations and deeper into India.</b>
The only suicide bomber to explode on Indian soil was the Sri Lankan Tamil Tigress Dhanu who took out a Prime Minister. The Al Qaeda variety is less discriminating in the choice of targets and creating mayhem. The 100-day âSave Indiaâ wonder â if it takes off â will make India safer and enhance the Governmentâs credibility.
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Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 11-27-2008
Friends,
Bombay attacks prove that terrorists are striking the nation at will. It has been a very carefully planned and well co-ordinated strike. They used the sea route to reach the city and attacked the railway station. Besides the hotels, was there a plan to do some damage at the airport too? Only further investigations would reveal. But I always believed that star hotels are the softest targets of terror. Cor the fear of losing clientile and being branded uncourtesous, star hotels hesitate in conducting physcial check of person and bags. If these are being done at the airports on the same class of people, why not conduct such security checks in hotels too. This should be an eye opener, and all hotels should have a robust security system in place. Or else this will cause a serious damage to our credibility internationally and affect toursim badly.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 11-27-2008
http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...owtopic=2187&s=
mumbai attack discussion on above link.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-16-2008
<b>Cabinet clears proposal to set up NIA</b>
Another Babu run circus to harass Indian citizens and set scores with political opponent.
Why they don't fix existing system first? Creating zillion layers of babu won't solve anything. Collection of garbage won't make it lavender garden.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-19-2008
<b>Amar Singh contributed millions to Clinton Foundation</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In an exclusive interview with rediff.com, when he visited the US in September, Amar Singh said the specific purpose of his trip at that particular time was to meet with Hillary Clinton to among other things to urge her to push for the consummation of the <b>Indo-US nuclear deal</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From where Amar Singh got this large amount? ofcourse looting poor Indians.
Ofcourse with N-Deal he is expecting lareger profit. He is the one who pushed very hard for N-Deal, dragged Hindu leaders in Mangelon bombing , paying MPs. Don't forget Chatwal, Pawar and Amar Singh are friends in crime.
Amar Singh should be watched, he is the one who can sell India faster than Moron SIngh. Now he is tagging with Moron Singh. So future puppets are in place.
He is greatest security risk to India.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-19-2008
<b>Did RBI clear Amar Singh's donation: BJP</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Prasad said that since the payment made by Amar Singh was in US dollars and was a substantial amount, RBI clearance should have been sought as per the legal guidelines.
"We would also like to know the source of the funds given by Amar Singh. He is an MP, a political figure and, of late, has been supporting the UPA government," Prasad said.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indian Internal Security - 4 - ramana - 12-20-2008
Maybe the money from filim duniya that Amar Singh consorts with! I dont agree that its from Ambani as they can donate openly. So who and how was Amar Singh donating that kind of money?
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-20-2008
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/19amar...ndation-bjp.htm
If he in fact made a donation to Clinton, we should go to the pro-Republican media with this in a BIG way. Also with further details, such as Amar Singh's love for Islamism, his consorting with pro-terrorist politicians who announced a bounty on the heads of Danish cartoonists, etc.
The involvement of Clinton will make sure the story catches fire in the US media.
Ramana, remember the 1996 Campaign Finance reform controversy... Bill Clinton was investigated for receiving huge donations from the CCP, through its agents like Charlie Trie who contributed nearly half a million to his legal defense fund.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_S...nce_controversy
China has gone out of its way to protect Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Hamid Gul in the UN. Amar Singh is known to consort with Islamists on both sides of the border-- and has now been revealed to have made contributions to Hillary Clinton. Put the pieces together.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - ramana - 12-20-2008
Rudradev, I want a cartoon with three characters. A bearded thug holding a dhoti clad Indic by the choti and beating him up and uncle sam character pointing a gun to India and money bags to the thug. The words bubble pointing to the thug should say: Do you want access to Afghanistan & LeT? The uncle sam character should say Dont retaliate or I shoot! And the Indic anything you want to say! For it doesnt matter.
To make the point even more dramatic the dhoti clad person can even be depicted as brahmin.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Shambhu - 12-20-2008
FIR filed against Teesta Setalvad by former confidant.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/teesta-setalvad...er/80979-3.html
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Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-20-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-rudradev+Dec 20 2008, 04:23 AM-->QUOTE(rudradev @ Dec 20 2008, 04:23 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->If he in fact made a donation to Clinton, we should go to the pro-Republican media with this in a BIG way. Also with further details, such as Amar Singh's love for Islamism, his consorting with pro-terrorist politicians who announced a bounty on the heads of Danish cartoonists, etc.
The involvement of Clinton will make sure the story catches fire in the US media.
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China has gone out of its way to protect Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Hamid Gul in the UN. Amar Singh is known to consort with Islamists on both sides of the border-- and has now been revealed to have made contributions to Hillary Clinton. Put the pieces together.
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If we can collect some detailed links/news reports in next 10 days (all are on vacation for 2 weeks), I can try sending them to Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Mark Levin, O'Reiley and Heritage Foundation. <!--emo&
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Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-21-2008
<b>Dawood prepares for secret birthday party</b>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Even as the Indian government continues to put pressure on Islamabad to hand over Dawood Ibrahim to it, the don gets ready to celebrate
his 53rd birthday on December 26 at an undisclosed location, probably outside Pakistan. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>When an Indian politician had to receive a kickback worth crores in an international business deal, he sought the help of Dawood, who took the services of this arms dealer to facilitate the funds transfer, a source told TOI on Saturday</b>. A secret meeting was held at Geneva
last year, which was attended by Dawood-who has several passports issued by the Pakistani government-the politician and the arms-dealer where the money transaction was worked out. "The Centre has report of this meeting, but it is not acting on it,'' an official said. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Usually, an array of Indian businessmen, including some builders, are invited to Dawood's birthday bashes at Karachi, which are lavish affairs attended by senior ISI officers. In previous years, the Indian businessmen land in Dubai from where "arrangements'' are made to ferry them to Karachi. However, this time, with all eyes on the underworld don, thanks to his probable role in the November 26 terror attack on Mumbai, Dawood has shifted his party venue to a secret place, a source said. There is increasing evidence that funds for the terror strike were sent by the D gang-which is under the thumb of the ISI- from two accounts in London, a source said. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Indian security agencies are reportedly keeping tabs on the movements of known business partners of Dawood in Mumbai, including a gutkha baron and a top builder, to find out if they are going to Dubai en route to the secret birthday bash<b>. "However, all these efforts add up to nothing as the government is not at all inclined to crack down on Dawood's financial empire in India despite us gathering all kinds of information about it,'' </b>a security official said. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indian Internal Security - 4 - G.Subramaniam - 12-21-2008
So who are these businessmen
linked to NCP and congress??
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-21-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Dec 21 2008, 09:13 AM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Dec 21 2008, 09:13 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->So who are these businessmen
linked to NCP and congress??
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Gutka baron is Rasiklal Dhariwal.
another Gutkha baron is Jagdish M Joshi
His brother Arun Joshi, group chairman of Raj Group of Companies
Both are from rival group.
Top builder , I think is Rajendra Chaturvedi, promoter of Shreepati Builders.
Politicians must be Congress or NCP , which means either Sharad Pawar or Amar Singh.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - G.Subramaniam - 12-21-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Dec 21 2008, 09:45 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Dec 21 2008, 09:45 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Dec 21 2008, 09:13 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Dec 21 2008, 09:13 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->So who are these businessmen
linked to NCP and congress??
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Gutka baron is Rasiklal Dhariwal.
another Gutkha baron is Jagdish M Joshi
His brother Arun Joshi, group chairman of Raj Group of Companies
Both are from rival group.
Top builder , I think is Rajendra Chaturvedi, promoter of Shreepati Builders.
Politicians must be Congress or NCP , which means either Sharad Pawar or Amar Singh.
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1. What is Gutka
1. Did NDA regime make any effort to arrest these crooks
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-22-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. What is Gutka
1. Did NDA regime make any effort to arrest these crooks<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gutka is also called as Zarda, made of tobacco, people eat it as mouth freshner, also cause mouth cancer.
NDA tried them couple of time, now they are on bail.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-22-2008
Hi Everyone
Back on this forum after nearly a year. After the recent turmoil in Mumbai and some other disturbing developments, couldn't resist coming back to once again post on IF.
Just some random observations I wanted to share with all of you.
Was watching a series of lectures by Arun Shourie posted by a member on BRF.
I just cannot shake off a remark made by Arun Shourie during his lecture. He talks about how UPA Govt. was about to give up claim on Siachen until some people from the army alerted the BJP members. BJP members immediately contacted Pranab Mukherjee to prevent this Siachen sell out by UPA Govt.
Just makes me wonder (and please excuse me if this already has been discussed recently on this forum). UPA Govt. by its actions of the past few months seemed intent on destroying the credibility of the Indian army as well as attempts to undermine the morale of its soldiers.
And after hearing these recent remarks by Arun Shourie just makes me wonder...
UPA Govt. systematic attempts to destroy all nationalistic institutions in India (ably assisted by the English media). Could there be more to it then really meets the eye?
On a different note, did A.R.Antulay really act impulsively on his own or was he backed and prompted by MMS (yes, the same man who in the past has been instrumental in coining/dubbing Gujarat riots as a 'Genocide').
So was this 'Hot air trial balloon' the handiwork of UPA high command to gauge the reaction of public i.e. if the public lapped it up, UPA could again use this tactic in their continuous crusade of 'minority appeasement'.
Unfortunately for them, seeing that public as well as most media not buying this theory of Antulay, Congress politicians then later tried to distance themselves from these remark(s) of Antulay....
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 12-23-2008
<b>Rightsizing of VIP security begins</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In absolute numbers and as a proportion of their strength, the Delhi Police deploy more men than all other states for security duty. <b>About 15,000 Delhi Police personnel â out of a total strength of 60,000 â are on VIP duty. There are about 400 VIPs in the capital.</b> <!--emo&
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But the VIPs â politicians, bureaucrats, judges, religious leaders and lawyers â who have managed to secure more police protection than their respective entitlement are now being cut down to size.
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The Delhi Policeâs list of people who have a security cover in excess of their entitlement includes Union ministers<b> Prithviraj Chauhan, A.R. Antulay, Mani Shanker Aiyar, Ambika Soni, Oscar Fernandes and Kapil Sibal, leaders such as Rajiv Shukla, Arun Jaitley and Digvijay Singh, and former bureaucrat Brajesh Mishra.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Majority are Congress bogus leaders.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 01-04-2009
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Arms haul in Ooty </b>
Ooty, Jan. 3 (PTI): A search in a dead colonelâs Ooty home has yielded over 5,000 AK-47 rounds, 378 SLR-5 chain rolls and two missiles, prompting police to file a case.
Pramod Kumar, the Ooty west zone IG, said that â5,214 AK-47 rounds, 378 SLR-5 chain rolls and one .303 roundâ were packed in two wooden boxes and a leather bag in the house of retired Colonel N.G. âConnor, who died on December 27 last year.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now he is Christian, so it is Christian Terror.
Indian Internal Security - 4 - Guest - 01-05-2009
Story from 60 minutes last Sunday..
How Technology May Soon "Read" Your Mind
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In India last summer, <b>a woman was convicted of murder after an EEG of her brain allegedly revealed that she was familiar with the circumstances surrounding the poisoning of her ex-fiancé</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Questions:
(a) is India security/police agencies technically that good?
(b) if yes,
(i) how come there's no privacy concerns
(ii) can't this be used on Porkis who infiltrate and cause destruction to life/property