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India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 01-11-2008

It's hard to figure out if this man has a had job in his life. The Gandhi name's fed him for long and his antics are nothing but a divertion to keep his gravy train afloat.

QUOTEOh no doubt he would also places hindus too in the same class. 
Absolutely. In a write up in India Abroad (NRI weekly) he argued that his grandpa's assasination was Brahminical conspiracy implicating even the Nehrus <img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='whistle.gif' /> One of our IF members/authors (Prof Rao) who used to write in India Abroad pretty much cleaned his clock there.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 01-11-2008

QUOTEDoes fifth great grandson mean five generations removed form Mahatma Gandhi? If so he sure has descended! 
3rd generation, he is son of Manilal

QUOTEIn 1987, along with his entire family, Arun Gandhi moved to the United States to work on a study at the University of Mississippi. This study examined and contrasted the sorts of prejudices that existed in India, the U.S., and South Africa. Afterward they moved to Memphis, Tennessee and founded the M. K. Gandhi Institute for Non-Violence hosted by the Christian Brothers University, a Catholic academic institution. This institute was dedicated to applying the principles of nonviolence at both local and global scales. <!--emo& Big Grin

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In 2007, the institute moved to Rochester, New York, and is currently located on the University of Rochester River Campus.

Arun has given many speeches about non-violence in many countries. During his tour to Israel, he urged the Palestinians to resist Israeli occupation peacefully to assure their freedom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arun_Gandhi

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 01-11-2008

He is also an advisor to..... NavyaShastra.... <!--emo& Tongue

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http://www.shastras.org/ArunVenugopal.html

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Bodhi - 01-21-2008

QUOTEIn the last decade, another quote from We has become the most popular Hindutva reference, being presented as somehow encapsulating the essence and the genesis history of the Sangh Parivar: "German race pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the semitic Races ? the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by." (1939:35, 1947:43) Though the RSS spokesmen don?t specify this, it is obviously this paragraph that prompted them to dissociate themselves from Golwalkar's We.

4. The meaning of the ?race pride? quote

What does the controversial ?race pride? quote mean? Let us first of all look at what is not here. These days, when the word ?Nazi? is uttered (in this case not by Golwalkar but by his detractors), reason is switched off and hysteria takes over, so that people think they have seen or heard things which aren?t there in reality.

Conspicuous by its absence in Golwalkar?s allegedly pro-Nazi statement, is the term Nazi or the name Adolf Hitler. Before the outbreak of World War 2 in September 1939, it was perfectly acceptable in India, both among Hindus and Muslims, to praise Hitler and National-Socialism. Let us not forget that in the preceding years even the British leaders Lloyd George and Winston Churchill had spoken favourably of Hitler and his magic formula for reviving Germany after the humiliation of Versailles, something which Golwalkar refrained from doing, if only narrowly. And that even the later leftist icons Salvador Allende and Fidel Castro were youthful admirers of the F?and of his Italian colleague Benito Mussolini. As late as Christmas Eve of 1940, Mahatma Gandhi wrote a letter to Hitler assuring the latter that he (Hitler) certainly wasn't as bad as his enemies painted him.

But Golwalkar did not want to draw attention to the existing regime in Germany as some kind of model to be emulated. On the contrary, elsewhere in the same book, he contrasts the militaristic barbarity displayed by the contemporaneous Germans with the Hindu ?spiritual giants? who ?stalk the world in serene majesty? and serve as the homegrown role models for modern India (1939:32, 1947:39-40). He concludes the booklet with the un-Nazi vision of ?one glorious splendrous Hindu Nation benignly shedding peace and plenty over the world? (1939:67, 1947:76). He also supports the Czech position against Germany on the disputed Sudetenland and deplores the Czechs? failure to assimilate the Sudeten Germans (1939:38, 49; 1947:46, 57), clearly favouring the typical homogenization policy of nation-states pioneered by the French Revolutionaries in non-French parts of France. He holds the Czechs? failure to assimilate their minorities up as a warning to the Hindus. What he focuses on is the incompatibility of two nations forced to co-exist within one state, any two nations, and that is the ?lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by?.

Many examples of ethnic conflict within multi-ethnic states could be given, but the example then in the eye of the world was Germany, where the Nuremberg laws of 1935 had defined the Jews as a separate nation. German-Jewish intermarriage got prohibited, a move actually welcomed by the orthodox in the Jewish community, who frowned upon the ongoing cultural and biological assimilation of the Jews into German society. The participation of Jews in a number of prestigious professions was either ended or reduced to their percentage of the total population (a leftist move otherwise applauded as ?affirmative action? in favour of an ?underrepresented? group, i.c. the Gentile Germans), and Jewish emigration was encouraged and facilitated.

But surely this meant that Golwalkar supported the German hatred for ?the Semitic races, the Jews?? Not at all. In his survey of nations whose experience and nationalism are to ?serve as a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to profit by?, the very first one is the Jewish nation (1939:19, 30; 1947:25, 37). This was and is standard fare in Hindutva writings, starting with Vinayak Damodar Savarkar?s trail-blazing book Hindutva (1923), which speaks out in favour of the Zionist project. Hindu nationalists have always looked up to the mettle of the Jews, who managed to maintain their identity for two thousand years under adverse circumstances, and who even managed to revive Hebrew as their mother tongue and national first language, where Hindus aren?t even able to promote Sanskrit to the status of national link language or pan-Indian second language. Hindu nationalist parties have always advocated diplomatic recognition of Israel when Congress (until 1992) and the Communist parties opposed it.

This, incidentally, explains the sudden popularity of this Golwalkar quote in anti-Hindutva writings. The main exploiters of this quote, the Indian Marxists, have seen their intellectual power centre expand from India to North America. In the US media and academe, they have cornered the same power position that they have enjoyed in India for decades, and they largely control the information flow from India to the American public including the professional India-watchers in academe and the government. From there, they exercise a lot of influence on public political discourse back in India. However, to secure their position in the US, they have to deal with the powerful Jewish influence there.

The Jews are not stupid and they know that in the Indian ideological spectrum, it has always been the Hindu nationalists who supported the Zionist project while the leftists opposed it. Just as it was always Hindus who let Jews live in peace in their own country, while Hinduism?s Christian, Muslim and Communist enemies have a rather darker track record in this regard. Indeed, some US Zionist groups co-operate with Hindu nationalists, teaching them the ways of modern communication and lobbying. So, in order to gain the upper hand over the Hindus in winning over Jewish opinion, the Marxists have to divert attention from today?s Middle East politics to other issues in order to paint their opponents as somehow even more anti-Jewish than themselves, or at least tainted by association with an even more anti-Jewish movement, viz. National-Socialism. Hence their hyperfocus on this seemingly pro-Nazi quote of Golwalkar?s.

Very often, the Marxists even add their own explicitation to this quote: ?Here, Golwalkar is applauding the genocide of six million Jews.? That, of course, is a lie. Those who put forth this claim are either ignorant of history or shamelessly speculate on their readers' ignorance. The ?purge? to which Golwalkar referred, was the progressive exclusion of the Jews from public life and the policy of promoting their emigration. The Holocaust only took place in 1941-44 under specific and largely unforeseen war circumstances. In 1938 and until 1940, Nazi policy was still one of Jewish emigration. That?s not so nice either, but given their history, the Jews know better than most people that migration is a preferable alternative to persecution and death. In 1938, Hitler?s mortal victims were still counted in hundreds, Stalin?s in millions (which didn't prevent Jawaharlal Nehru from visiting the Soviet Union, guzzling down all the propaganda fed to him on a guided tour, and praising it for the rest of his days). In that light, if anything is shocking in Golwalkar?s book, it is his innocent and highly uninformed inclusion of the Soviet Union in his list of examples of nation-building.

Conspicuous by its absence is most of all the entire Nazi policy vis-à¶is the Jews as a possible model for the Hindu treatment of the Muslims. Not just extermination but even expulsion doesn?t figure in Golwalkar?s plans. On the contrary, whereas Hitler first of all wanted to dissimilate the largely assimilated Jewish minority, Golwalkar favoured the assimilation of the Indian Muslims into the ?Hindu nation? from which their ancestors had been estranged by conversion.


Dr. Koenraad Elst

http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/arti...iWithdrawn.html

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 01-21-2008

PSLV Successfully Launches Israeli Satellite 
http://www.isro.org/pressrelease/Jan21_2008.htm
January 21, 2008

Antrix Corporation is happy to announce that its second full-fledged commercial launch has been successfully completed today. After the final count down, PSLV-C10 lifted off from the First Launch Pad (FLP) at SDSC SHAR at 09:15 Hrs with the ignition of the first stage. Incidentally this is the 25th Satellite Launch Mission from SDSC, SHAR. The launch of TECSAR was executed under a commercial contract between Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and ANTRIX Corporation.

It may be recalled that the first major commercial launch of PSLV (PSLV-C8) took place on April 23, 2007, when it successfully launched an Italian astronomical satellite, AGILE.

The 300 kg TECSAR satellite was placed into its intended orbit with a perigee (nearest point to earth) of 450 km and apogee (farthest point to earth) of 580 km with an orbital inclination of 41 deg with respect to the equator. TECSAR was placed in orbit 1185 sec after lift off.

PSLV has emerged as the workhorse launch vehicle of ISRO with eleven consecutively successful flights so far. Since its first successful launch in 1994, PSLV has launched eight Indian remote sensing satellites, an amateur radio satellite, HAMSAT, a recoverable space capsule, SRE-1, and two primary satellites and six small satellites for foreign customers. Besides, it has launched Indiaâs exclusive meteorological satellite, Kalpana-1, into Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit (GTO). PSLV is also slated to launch Indiaâs first spacecraft to moon, Chandrayaan-1, in 2008.

TECSAR is a Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) Technology satellite. The design, development and fabrication activities of the satellite were led by MBT Space, a division of the Israeli Aerospace industries with the participation of other high tech industries such as ELTA, Tadiran Spectralink, Rafael. The satellite is equipped with a SAR payload with the capability to see through the clouds and carry out day and night all weather imaging.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 01-24-2008

Anti-Jews'remarks: Gandhi's grandson resignsQUOTEThe board of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Non-violence has received Arun Gandhi's offer of resignation as president of our organisation," the reports said, quoting a statement by the institute.

Arun, whose comments ruffled the Jews' feathers, reportedly said, "Jews not only want the Germans to feel guilty but the whole world must regret what happened to the Jews. The world did feel sorry for the episode, but when an individual or a nation refuses to forgive and move on, the regret turns into anger."

Ever since, the website was swarmed with angry messages and the blog's editors, Sally Quinn and Jon Meacham, published an apology on January 18.

The website's moderators said: "We regret the initial posting, and we apologise for the episode", asking readers for "a measure of forbearance and tolerance as the site endeavours to conduct a civil and illuminating conversation."

But that did not pacify the angry Jewish community, which wanted the writer to resign, media reports said.

According to reports, the American-Jewish Committee's executive director, David A. Harris, said India was being ungrateful for all that his organisation did for New Delhi


hahahah!!
This is so sweet, now he can go back to bashing Hindus to make money through commies in US.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - ramana - 01-24-2008

Interesting story in Deccan Chronicle, 24 Jan., 2008

QUOTEIndia to launch 2 more Israeli spy sats
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New Delhi, Jan. 23: India and Israel are working together to launch two more spy satellites with the schedule requiring at least one of these to be placed in orbit within this year. The successful launch of the 300-kg TecSar has generated considerable enthusiasm in both India and Israel with the satellite expected to start sending the first images in early February.

The decision to launch the TecSar spy satellite, which is also referred to as Polaris, was taken shortly after the UPA government came to power. The deal was finalised during the visit of Israeli defence ministry director-general Amos Yaron to New Delhi three years ago. It is the first of three such satellites agreed upon between the two governments with the government here oblivious to the adverse reaction to the launch from its traditional friends in West Asia. The launch was effected in great secrecy with only a couple of mainstream Israeli newspapers getting a whiff of the new cooperation between New Delhi and Tel Aviv just a week before the launch.

The Israeli media, which has had access to more information than given out by the government here, has pointed out that the satellite was intended to spy on Iran and Syria. The government here has tried to give the strategic cooperation a âcommercialâ colour by highlighting the fact that India is virtually renting out its launching pad for such satellites. It did the same for Italy, it is pointed out, at a cost that is supposedly 70 per cent less than offered by other such countries for putting satellites in orbit. This runs counter to reports in the Israeli and international media of growing strategic cooperation between the two countries and that India hopes to benefit from the satellite with information on Pakistan, which is not outside the orbit of TecSar.

Israeli officials have told their media that the satellite, by far the most sophisticated launched by Israel till date, will be able to get images during the night and through inclement weather conditions. Sources here said that Israel wanted the satellite launched from India because of a certain position required to monitor the countries that it has targeted. The term used by Israeli officials to describe Iran and other countries it will use the satellite to spy upon is âenemyâ. Iran has been identified as the primary target of the satellite launched from India despite the close relations between New Delhi and Tehran.

It is clear that the spy satellite launch has been delayed by a few months. It is not clear why although Indian officials maintained it was because of âtechnicalâ reasons. The Israeli media, interestingly, first claimed that it was because of US pressure that was finally overcome after US President George W. Bush was convinced that it was required by both India and Israel for their security.

A commentator has claimed that the assassination of Pakistan Peopleâs Party leader Benazir Bhutto tipped the balance for India. More lately, the Israeli newspapers have attributed the delay to pressure from Iran. A leading Israeli newspaper, the Jerusalem Post, has said that Iran had used the âIndian Opposition parties â particularly the Muslim and Communist political factions â to prevent the launchâ.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 01-24-2008

Current government is fully controlled by jihadist, now we have to go back to Oct 2004, Congress President Sonia sharing stage with late Madani of Deoband and agreed to implement all 15 points to get everything from jihadist. Jihadist also keep them on check by regular boom here and there.
It is very much possible, what Israel media is saying.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Bharatvarsh - 01-24-2008

Who is this clown:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080122/jsp/...ory_8810462.jsp

Is he a commie?

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 01-24-2008

QUOTEIs he a commie?
People who knwo him, just say, he is after money using his Gandhi connection, zero content, hollow ethics, below average personality, work with commies in US and whole anti-hindu brigade.
I am really happy to see him going down in such manner, he deserve it. Now he can go back to South Africa.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Bharatvarsh - 01-25-2008

QUOTEPeople who knwo him, just say, he is after money using his Gandhi connection, zero content, hollow ethics, below average personality, work with commies in US and whole anti-hindu brigade.
I am really happy to see him going down in such manner, he deserve it. Now he can go back to South Africa. 
Sorry for not making myself clear, I was talking about KP Nayar the article writer, Kulbrasht Nayar is a known commie so i was wondering who this new entrant is.

Arun Gandhi is a retard, i saw him before on Penn & Teller TV show where he made a fool of himself in answering for Gandhis racism against blacks. He is just using the Gandhi name for freeloading, now that he has resigned he will go back to bashing Hindus to make money.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 01-25-2008

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India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - ramana - 01-25-2008

HE is K.P. Nayar of Telegraph, quite a well respected journalist stationed in Washington DC. Dont know what got into him to support Arun Gandhi's fulminations. It could be the treatment for transgressing.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - dhu - 01-30-2008

Arun Gandhi tried to make the leap to Arundhati Roy status but got slapped back down by the White Massa. Criticizing the white affairs is a privilege reserved for the female sepoy.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - dhu - 02-03-2008

Two side of one coin:

Racism and Hatred, Jews and Hindus
Hinduphobia and Anti-semitism

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1635

I disagree with the author that progressive hatred of the Jew is an attempt to accommodate Islamism. It has more to do with Western Christian background that manifests in Western Liberalism. There are some deep psychohistorical origins for this.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Bharatvarsh - 02-03-2008

Interesting discussion going on Arun the freeloader on SAJA:

http://www.sajaforum.org/2008/01/gandhi-arun-gan.html

This should be a lesson for the Hindus on how to deal with mofo's like him who regularly spew bile against us.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Guest - 03-09-2008

QUOTEIsraeli dairy to come up in Amul's backyard

9 Mar 2008

GANDHINAGAR: The Israelis will set up their first big venture in the country by starting a dairy farm in Gujarat. An Israeli firm, Elbit Imaging, has decided to import 10,000 high-breed milch cows to set up a $100-million dairy unit at two locations in north Gujarat.

The project is said to be a fallout of chief minister Narendra Modi's visit to Israel in May 2006. The move is significant as Gujarat is the home for the milk cooperatives. Besides, while the US government is still keeping Narendra Modi's Gujarat at bay by denying him a visa, the Jewish nation has extended a hand of friendship to an Indian state where the leadership has taken a firm stance against terror.

The Gujarat government has leased out 143 hectares of land in two areas to the firm for 30 years to set up the dairy.

The company proposes to implement the project in two phases. First, it will import 4,000 cows in order to establish a state-of-the-art dairy plant on 43 hectares at Ambasan village in Mehsana district. This was the Buffalo Bull Mother Farm run by the state animal husbandry department, which was shut down around 15 years ago. In the second phase, Elbit Imaging will import another 6,000 cows to extend the project to 100 hectares of land.

Elbit executives say Israeli cows produce around 25 to 30 litres of milk per day, compared to 3 to 9 litres by local breeds. Milk production from the best breeds like Kankrej and Gir cows, too, is the depleting. The frozen semen of the Israeli bulls would help here. Gujarats cattle breeders can expect to gain considerably in terms of technique and yield from this project.

Bureaucrats in the chief ministers office, who are particularly enthusiastic about the project, said the Israeli firm would inevitably challenge the states powerful milk cooperatives by giving better products.

The plan is to introduce contract farming on 2,000 hectares of land where dry fodder will be produced with drip irrigation method, turning it into easily digestible nutritious feed.
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Need more such co-operation. Wonder what would happen if the israeli model of irrigation could be implemented in the deserts of Rajasthan.

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Bharatvarsh - 05-22-2008

QUOTEHistory - Munich Operation (1972)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MdOPKTpEDyA&feature=related
QUOTEHistory - Entebbe Operation (1976)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s3dEX4yYXts&feature=related
QUOTEHistory - Israeli Elimination Of Engineer Yahea Ayash (1996)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TPbtEfJTBQg&feature=related

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Pandyan - 05-22-2008

Hindus should learn a thing or two on how to deal with the Christian menace from Orthodox Jews.

QUOTEIsrael hit by Bible burning row

Messianic Jews in Israel say they want an inquiry into the burning of hundreds of copies of the New Testament by Orthodox Jews in Or Yehuda last week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/midd...ast/7413134.stm

India-Israel Co-operation and Challenges - Bharatvarsh - 05-23-2008

QUOTEA million olive trees to make Indian desert bloom for farmers

Rhys Blakely in Bombay

The desert of Rajasthan in the north of India is to be planted with a million olive trees grown in Israel in an effort to transform the landscape and the fortunes of its struggling farmers.

The countries are finalising a three-year plan on agriculture that will introduce several crops associated with the Middle East and Mediterranean to India. It is hoped that the sub-continent â more famous today for its mangoes and spices â will become an exporter of olive oil by 2011.

Lior Weintrub, a spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Delhi, said: âThe symbolism is significant: an olive tree in the Middle East ... well, it means a lot.â

Diplomacy has also paved the way for dates and grapes from Israel to be grown in Maharashtra, a state in western India that has been blighted by tens of thousands of suicides among desperate smallholders in recent years.

Israeli technology companies will be drafted in to lend their expertise on matters such as water recycling and irrigation. In their home country, Israeli scientists have been credited with âgreeningâ the Negev desert, performing what has been termed an agricultural miracle.

Indian olive oil is likely to find a ready market in the West as there is a global shortage of the product amid rising demand.

It is also hoped that the adoption of new crops and farming techniques can be a stepping stone towards a second green revolution in India â the first being the period in the 1960s and 1970s when the introduction of modern methods and new plant varieties radically boosted yields and eradicated famine.

Productivity growth in India's fields has since slowed to a crawl. In February the Government's official annual economic survey said that the farming sector, on which 70 per cent of the country's population depends for a living, was expected to grow 2.6 per cent this year, down from 3.8 per cent last year.

The report's authors gave warning of potentially dire consequences. âDue to uncertainties in global markets and hardening of international prices of food ... the food security of India critically depends on the farm sector,â they said.

Economists estimate that India's ability to increase harvests of staple foods such as grains, rice and pulses now runs at less than 1 per cent a year, lagging behind the 1.5 per cent population growth.

Dinker Panandikar, of the RPG Foundation, an economic think-tank, said: âIt is touch and go whether India feeds itself.â Across India as many as 150,000 farmers have committed suicide in the past decade after falling behind in payments to money lenders, according to the Tata Institute of Social Sciences.

The Government took radical action this year when it waived Â£7.5 billion in debt owed by struggling farmers, as part of the annual budget.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle3981145.ece
I think similar techniques can be used to farm in Rajasthan and Thar desert in Bharat, but as usual there is no effort on the part of the govt.

Here is an video about fish farming in the Negev desert:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GxlJ489WxkU