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State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 06-29-2006
ACT 1
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Tamil Nadu Speaker examining CBI request to prosecute Amma </b>
K Venkataramanan | Chennai
Tamil Nadu Assembly Speaker R Avudaiyappan is examining a request from the CBI to give his sanction to prosecute former chief minister J Jayalalithaa in an old corruption case relating to her receiving over Rs 2 crore as 'gifts' from partymen and admirers in the early 1990s.
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Circus re-run in TN.
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 06-30-2006
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--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Suicide beltâs key moneylender is Cong MLA, CM tells police go easy MUMBAI, JUNE 29:If debt is the root cause of farmersâ suicides in Vidarbha, private moneylenders are its prime agents. Last year alone, the Maharashtra <b>government registered cases against 1,234 of them, arrested as many as 1,478 for illegal money-lendingâat interest rates as high as 50 per centâand coercive recovery measures.</b>
When Prime Minister Manmohan Singh arrives with his relief package tomorrow, chances are the state government wonât tell him a few things.
That one of the biggest sahukars of the Vidarbha region is Congress MLA Dilip Sananda and his family based in Buldhana district. That the Sanandas are still plying their trade when police records show over 40 cases registered against them for illegal money-lending, land-grabbing to kidnapping, manhandling to torture.
That no less a person than Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh himself pulled up local officials for taking action against the Sanandas.
Records obtained by The Indian Express show that on May 31, the Money-Lending Prevention Committee (headed by Buldhana District Collector Ganesh Thakur and comprising Assistant Registrar of Cooperation and a police inspector), registered an FIR with Assistant Police Inspector Ganesh Ane against the MLAâs father, Gokulchand Sananda (alias Dalwale Sheth), after receiving a complaint from a debt-ridden farmer Rajendra Shankarrao Kavadkar.
A resident of Chichpur of Khamgaon tehsil, Kavadkar accused Gokulchand and his associates of robbery, kidnapping and trespassing.
But within hours of the FIR being filed, the Chief Ministerâs Office intervened.
Deshmukhâs Personal Secretary Ajinkya Padwal contacted the police station. According to the police officer who took the call, Padwal told him Deshmukh has said he âshould not take further action against the MLAâs father and not register any case against him or his family members.â
The officer made it a point to write down details of this phone conversation in the police register, a copy of which is with The Indian Express.
Thatâs not all.
Deshmukh ticked off Collector Thakur and Ane at a meeting at Mantralaya on June 1, just the day after the FIR. Thakur, in a letter to Buldhana SP Police Superintendent Krishna Prakash, a copy of which is with The Indian Express, has written that the Chief Minister, at the June 1 Mantralaya meeting, told them that Sananda had complained about of harassment and that âyou are registering cases without proper investigation.â
In his letter, Thakur said the Chief Minister had instructed them that any future complaints against Sananda should be forwarded to the district-level Illegal Money-lending Prevention Committee.
And that the committee would then take the advice of the district government pleader. The administration can take action according to the pleaderâs advice, the letter quotes the CM as saying.
After that meeting, Thakur went back to Buldhana and on June 5 sent the letter ââofficiallyââ conveying the Chief Ministerâs directive on Sanandaâs case.
When contacted by The Indian Express, Deshmukh said: âIt is true Sananda is from the Congress. I donât want to protect him. I called a meeting on June 1 on the complaint against Sananda, during which time I got information about the entire issue,â he said.
Asked about the MLAâs father, Gokulchand, Deshmukh said, âSince an FIR has been registered against the Sanandas, Iâm not sure...Now, the law will take its own course.â
There are around 1 lakh registered private money-lenders in Maharashtra and more than 2 lakh are doing business illegallyâmost private moneylenders are operating in Vidarbha. And their modus operandi is simple: give loans on high interest rates which the farmer cannot pay; buy his farm produce at a low price and, finally, his farm at a throwaway price.
MLA Sananda and his family have been in the business for five generations, having expanded their operations in cotton-rich Buldhana and Akola districts with agents active in every corner of the region.
This hasnât deterred the Sanandas from making known their proximity to the chief minister through various not-so-imaginative meansâtheyâve erected huge cutouts of Deshmukh accompanied by Dilipâs photograph and even named the local agro product market yard after Deshmukh.
Dilipâs brother, Ashok Sananda, is the leader of the Congress in the Khamgaon Nagar Parishad, and another brother, Rajendra, is chairman of the Khamgaon Janata Commercial Bank.
<b>âItâs true CM likes me...Opp and police are targeting meâ </b>
When contacted by The Indian Express, MLA Dilip Sananda said:
⢠Thereâs no case, since we donât have money-lending license, itâs enough to prove we arenât in this business.
⢠The Opposition, local police are targeting me because I increased the strength of the Congress in my district
⢠My family has 250 acres, we are in so many businesses, oil, ginning and pressing mills, cinema halls
⢠Asked why CM Deshmukh told officials to go slow on his case: âThe case was fabricated. I showed all documents to CM and he was convinced. It is true that the CM likes me. Thatâs why he ordered the Collector to follow his directions.ââ
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State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 07-03-2006
<b>Sikh groups clash inside Golden Temple complex</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The clash took place when the group led by former chief minister and Shiromani Akali Dal leader Parkash Singh Badal did not allow Mann to speak from the dais.
This upset Mann's supporters who violently rushed to the stage, brandishing swords and other weapons, and forced Badal, Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) president Avtar Singh Makkar and other top Sikh leaders to run for cover. Mann's supporters broke the microphone also and manhandled Sikh leaders.
Following the incident, Akal Takht head priest JS Vedanti issued a religious proclamation holding Mann and his followers responsible for the unsavoury incident and directed all Sikhs not to invite Mann and others to any religious events.
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Back to square.
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 07-07-2006
<!--emo&:argue--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/argue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='argue.gif' /><!--endemo--> Govt calls off NLC disinvestment
- Rahul Srivastava/Sandeep Phukan/Sunil Prabhu/A Vaidynathan
Thursday, July 6, 2006 (New Delhi):
It's political blackmail of the darkest kind. Tamil Nadu CM M Karunanidhi warned the Prime Minister that if the government sold the 10 per cent stake in TN based Neyveli Lignite Corporation, then southern parties like the DMK will withdraw support from the UPA government.
"When the Union Government is not in a position to accept the demand of the NLC workers, the DMK is thinking whether to continue in the Union government and be a party to the decision of the Union Government.
"I have instructed our Union Ministers to inform this stand to the Prime Minister," said Karunanidhi.
The blackmail worked. By Thursday afternoon, the PM had announced that all disinvestment will be temporarily put on hold. But what does this mean for the government's revenues?
The government was hoping to rake in about Rs 2500 crore from the disinvestment of its 10 per cent stake in both Neyveli and Nalco.
It was hoping to make another Rs 7000 crore from selling its 10 per cent stake in Power Finance Corporation and 15 per cent in NMDC.
After today's developments the government stands to lose around Rs 9500 crore from disinvestments.
Revenue target unaffected
Sensing political opposition to disinvestment, the finance minister has cleverly not included revenue from disinvestment in the budget.
That means even if these disinvestments do not go through the government's revenue projections will not be affected.
But more than just the money that the government will lose out on, it sends out a wrong signal to the investing community that reforms are not on track.
"The reforms process will continue to be on the fox trot mode, going backward more than forward. I think the smallest of the pressures can really make the government succumb and even withdraw crumbs of the reform process. It's a very bad move," said K Ramachandran, Head-Advisory Desk, BNP Paribas.
Minister for communications and IT Dayanidhi Maran said while the DMK was happy with the decision to put the NLC divestment on hold, it wants the government to give up NLC divestment altogether.
"Of course we are part of UPA government but we want to ensure peace in Tamil Nadu," said Maran.
The DMK has six ministers in the UPA government and 16 members in Parliament's Lower House.
Left stand
While the Left supported the DMK's demands and was happy that NALCO's disinvestment plans had also been put on hold, it seemed to have seen through DMK's game.
"Of course these are arm twisting tactics, but it's good for the country," said CPM leader Sitaram Yechury.
The BJP, on the other hand, said the PM had given in to the DMK's threats. BJP leader Arun Jaitley criticised the PM for caving under pressure.
The Congress, of course, said it had no choice. "This is coalition dharma. But it does not mean we are against disinvestment," said Abhishek Singvi, Congress spokesperson.
This decision of the government to put on hold the disinvestment plans is a setback for the social sector, as the money from the disinvestment was supposed to be used for social programmes of the Centre.
It's also a huge setback for the ideology of disinvestment. This once again exposes the frailties of running a coalition formation.
From the finance ministry's perspective, it's perhaps time that it found out alternative areas of revenue generation which are less politically sensitive.
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 07-11-2006
<b>Growth in spite of politics</b> Arun Nehru
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 07-13-2006
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/13simi.htm?q=tp&file=.htm
Samajwadi Party says SIMI not 'terrorist organisation'
July 13, 2006 17:16 IST
A day after the Uttar Pradesh police chief said raids were being conducted at hideouts of the Students Islamic Movement of India on suspicion of its links with the Mumbai blasts, the state's ruling Samajwadi Party on Thursday virtually gave the outlawed group a clean chit, saying it was not a "terrorist organisation."
"SIMI is not a terrorist organisation. Some of its members may be involved in terrorist activities and action should be taken against them," Samajwadi Party state general secretary and state Public Works Department Minister Shivpal Singh Yadav told reporters in Lucknow.
Chief Minister Mulayam Singh Yadav also appeared to take a soft stand on the outfit, saying it had not been found to be involved in the Varanasi blasts and the terrorist attack in Ayodhya.
"SIMI was not found to be involved in the two main terrorist incidents in the state," Mulayam told reporters in an informal chat.
"There is, however, a central ban on SIMI and it is being enforced in the state," he hastened to add. State police chief Bua Singh had on Wednesday said that SIMI was under the scanner.
Besides the raids at its hideouts, notices had been issued to its absconding activists, he said. The West Bengal government too has ordered a crack down on SIMI, which was outlawed in 2001.
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 07-13-2006
I did not expect that Mulayam Singh Yadav has the tenacity and guts to support the terrorists of SIMI??? With eyes on upcoming state elections???
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/13georg...?q=tp&file=.htm
Just what is SIMI?
George Iype
July 13, 2006
July 6: The Supreme Court rejects a plea by the Students Islamic Movement of India to lift the ban that the Government of India imposed on the organisation in 2001.
July 11: Seven bomb blasts rip through seven local trains on the Western Railway network in Mumbai, killing nearly 200 people and injuring at least 714 people.
As the focus shifts from the blood on the tracks to just who was behind Tuesday's terrorist attacks on the financial capital of India, one of the outfits the finger of suspicion has been raised at is SIMI.
Investigating agencies suspect SIMI is acting with the support of Pakistan-based terrorist group Lashkar-e-Tayiba, and that the collaboration is to blame for the blasts in Mumbai on Terror Tuesday, and on other occasions including the two blasts in the city in August 2003.
If you are wondering just what SIMI is, and why it hogs headlines whenever bomb blasts occur in the country, read on:
What is SIMI?
The Student Islamic Movement of India, or SIMI, is a fundamentalist student organisation that was formed at Aligarh, Uttar Pradesh, in 1977. Mohammad Ahmadullah Siddiqi, now a professor of journalism and public relations at Western Illinois University, Macomb, USA, was its founding president.
SIMI activists say they want to convert India to an Islamic land. SIMI was outlawed in 2001 under the Prevention of Terrorism Act. Thought the Act has been scrapped by the United Progressive Alliance government, the ban on SIMI holds.
Where is Siddiqi now?
In the United States.
In an exclusive interview to rediff.com in 2003, Siddiqi said he founded SIMI in 1977 as part of his mission to educate and enlighten the Muslim community. He is also a founding member and secretary general of the North American Association of Muslim Professionals and Scholars. Siddiqi said SIMI was set up to study Islam like in a study circle and to present Islam through lectures and seminars to students at colleges and schools.
Siddiqi now says he has no links with SIMI because the organisation has been hijacked by radical elements.
Who heads SIMI now?
Safdar Nagori, the secretary general of SIMI, is the present head of the organisation. When SIMI was outlawed under POTA in 2001, the Delhi police arrested Nagori from the SIMI office in the Zakir Nagar area of Delhi. Since then, he has been in jail, charged with sedition and inciting communal trouble in Uttar Pradesh. The police say the outfit is now operating underground.
Why did the government ban SIMI?
SIMI was banned following requests made by the state governments of Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra, who said the organisation had been inciting communal violence in these states.
Was that reason enough for a ban on SIMI under the anti-terrorism law?
No. Police investigations revealed that in 2001, SIMI activists were responsible for the communal riots in Pune and Kanpur and for the bomb blast on the Sabarmati Express on Independence Day. Then, the Maharashtra police arrested nine SIMI members who attempted to bomb the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad offices in Nagpur in May 2001.
In which states of India does SIMI have a presence?
Reportedly, it has strong bases and support in various universities in Uttar Pradesh, Delhi, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Kerala, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and Assam. SIMI is also believed to enjoy local support in cities and towns like Aligarh, Kanpur, Rampur, Moradabad, Saharanpur, Lucknow and Azamgarh in Uttar Pradesh
It is believed that after the Gujarat riots of 2002, SIMI's ranks swelled.
Does SIMI have links with terrorist outfits?
The police say SIMI has links with the Jamaat-e-Islam and the Hizbul Mujahideen in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal. They also say SIMI is connected with Pakistan's Inter-State Intelligence.
Reportedly, SIMI activists have had close links with other Pakistan-based terrorist groups such as the Lashkar-e-Tayiba and the Jaish-e-Mohammed.
Who funds the outfit?
It is believed that SIMI secures funds from the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, Riyadh, and gets financial assistance from the Kuwait-based International Islamic Federation of Students Organisations.
What do the members believe in?
SIMI members are reportedly opposed to democracy, secularism and nationalism. They advocate among its followers the need to oppose 'man-made' institutions. SIMI also attempts to mobilise support for and establish Shariat-based Islamic rule through 'Islami Inquilab.' As the organisation does not believe in a nation-State, it does not believe in the Indian Constitution or the secular order.
How many SIMI members are there in India?
The police say SIMI has some 400 ansars (full-time cadres) and 20,000 ordinary members. But after the outfit was outlawed in 2001, most of the active members are in jail. Students up to the age of 30 years are eligible to become members. SIMI cadres consider Osama bin Laden a 'true believer of Islam' and regard him as an 'Islamic hero.'
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 07-14-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>State to take over Gurukula lands</b>
www.deccan.com/City/CityN...la%20lands
Hyderabad, July 13:<b> The State government will hand over 500 acres of Gurukula Ghatkesar trust lands in Madhapur to the Andhra Pradesh Industrial Infrastructure Corporation and Hyderabad Urban Development Authority for taking up IT and housing projects. Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhar Reddy is believed to have directed officials to begin work on the transfer of the lands, which are worth thousands of crores of rupees</b>.
The revenue department has been asked to explore legal means to make the transfer a smooth affair. It has already withdrawn the exemption given to the trust lands from Urban Land Ceiling. Sources said that a high-level meeting held on Thursday decided to take urgent steps to protect the trust lands from encroachments and seek legal opinion on transfer of lands.
The meeting, a follow-up to a recent review meeting on trust lands held by the chief minister, was attended by senior officials including Principal Secretary (Revenue) S.V. Prasad, APIIC Managing Director B.P. Acharya, Outer Ring Road project director Piyush besides Revenue Secretary D.C. Rosaiah. As per records, the land was purchased by Mr Bhagawan Das, who donated it to the trust about three decades ago.
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The government exempted 627 acres from Urban Land Ceiling in 1982 after the trust claimed that the land would be utilised for religious purpose</b>. Subsequently, the trustees sold the land to a housing society and to several individuals.<b> The government has now decided to take control of about 500 acres. The chief minister felt that the government should utilise the land for useful purposes since the trust failed to prevent encroachments.</b>
About 50 pucca structures have come up in 50 acres of the land and in another 90 acres compound walls and basements were built up. âThe existing permanent structures could be regularised and strict measures should be taken to remove the compound walls and to prevent further encroachment,â said an official. The meeting decided to engage the services of private security agencies, if necessary, to guard the land. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can they take land from Mosque or Madarsa or Church?
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 07-19-2006
<b>Jayalalithaa, Karunanidhi spat intensifies </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->This has stirred up a new debate, with <b>Jayalalithaa accusing Karunanidhi, known as a rationalist, of following vaastu shastra.
"Karunanidhi a self proclaimed rationalist and also wears a yellow shawl. Isn't it a superstition,"</b>said Dr V Maitreyan, AIADMK spokesperson.
<b>"My leader is a follower of Periyar and his rationalist ideals. Vaasthu may be their idea,"</b> said R Auvudaiappan, Speaker, Tamil Nadu Assembly<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&
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State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 07-26-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Big win for BJP in Delhi by-election </b>
Pioneer.com
Staff Reporter | New Delhi
In what could signal the adverse effects of anti-incumbency and price rise, the Congress candidate lost the by-poll to the Subhash Nagar ward of the MCD. <b>Meera Kanwaria of the BJP beat Seema Luthra of the Congress by a handsome 5,175 votes.</b>
<b>Kanwaria polled a total of 16,271 votes compared to Luthra's 11,096 votes in the by-poll held on July 23</b>, according to State Election Commission officials.
The by-poll was necessitated after the Supreme Court declared null and void the election of Congress councillor Sunita Bharti for producing a fake Scheduled Caste certificate. <!--emo&:o--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ohmy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The complaint was filed by Kanwaria, a former Delhi Mayor. The Subhash Nagar ward is reserved for Scheduled Caste women. While Bharti beat Kanwaria in the previous election, Luthra was a first timer. Apart from Luthra and Kanwaria, four other candidates were also in the fray.
<b>"Rising prices of essential commodities, long power cuts and shortage of water was the main reason of Congress defeat," said a Congress leader</b>. Interestingly, neither Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit nor her council of ministers were invited to campaign for the Congress candidate in Subhash Nagar.
The defeat of the Congress candidate is a setback for Delhi Congress chief Rambabu Sharma as a candidate of his camp had lost the crucial post in MCD earlier. Predictably Rambabu supporters blamed the loss on Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit for her anti-people policies. They also blamed the long power cuts.
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State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-09-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hindu Bashing in Tamil Nadu</b>
 8/8/2006 3:27:34 PM HK
Chennai
DMK led Tamilnadu government planning to take harsh actions against Hindu festivals. The move is part of Minority appeasing agenda and to tarnish the Hindu sentiments.One cannot witness this sort of Hindu bashing even in any of the of the countries, were Hindus are minority.
For the upcoming Vinayaka Chathurthi following rules have been issued to appease the Muslims and Christians in Tamilnadu.
<b>1)The procession should not stop before mosques and churches.
2)The procession time should not be delayed so as to stop before the namaz time in mosques
3) The Vinayaka idols should be taken only on a tractor or a lorry.
4) Persons should not walk behind the idol in procession.
5) Only ten persons can go with the idol in a lorry and only five persons will be allowed if the idol is taken in a tractor.</b>
<b>6) Clay idols alone will be allowed to be taken in the procession. Vinayaka idols made of plaster of Paris will not be allowed.</b>
<b>7) No one should use firecrackers during the procession.
8) None should take with him colour powders or fireballs.</b>
9) Loud speakers should not be used.
10)The procession should conform to existing traffic rules and should keep to the left.
<b>11)Musical instruments should not be taken and made use of during the procession.</b>
12) The organizers should issue identity cards to those participating in the procession.
This outrageous move is a challenge to our constitution which grants equal treatment to its entire citizen irrespective of what religion you follow, This Minority pampering step is a challenge to all followers of Hinduism in the country.
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State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-11-2006
Flood-battered Surat limps back to normality as rain relents
<img src='http://www.hindu.com/2006/08/11/images/2006081105291401.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I don't get it? Where are the Narmada activists? They could have huffed and puffed this rain away?
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-11-2006
<!--emo&:bcow--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/b_cowboy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='b_cowboy.gif' /><!--endemo--> Jharkhand project alive: Mittal Steel
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KOLKATA: Putting an end to speculation over Mittal Steel's investment plans in India, a top company executive on Friday said it was moving in right earnest to set up greenfield projects both in Jharkhand and Orissa.
"We have shortlisted three probable sites for our 12-million-tonne plant in Jharkhand. We are seriously pursuing the projects in both Jharkhand and Orissa. We will begin work in the state which fulfils our requirements first," Mittal Steel India Chief Executive Officer (Jharkhand project) Sanak Mishra said here.
Out of six probable sites in Jharkhand, the company has shortlisted three - Saraikela, Galudi and Torpa - and a final decision would be taken in four weeks, he said.
Asked about how much land the company required for the project, Mishra said: "We are assessing the land requirement. Roughly, we need about 10,000 acres.
"We are also planning to create a green belt around the plant and put up a residential complex," he said.
Mishra thus sets at rest speculation that it might abandon the Jharkhand project in the wake of its chief, Indian-born London-based steel baron L N Mittal announcing plans for an identical 12 MT project in Orissa in July.
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-12-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Aug 9 2006, 05:48 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Aug 9 2006, 05:48 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Hindu Bashing in Tamil Nadu</b>
 8/8/2006 3:27:34 PM HK
Chennai
DMK led Tamilnadu government planning to take harsh actions against Hindu festivals.
<b>For the upcoming Vinayaka Chathurthi following rules have been issued</b> to appease the Muslims and Christians in Tamilnadu.
<b>1)The procession should not stop before mosques and churches.
2)The procession time should not be delayed so as to stop before the namaz time in mosques
3) The Vinayaka idols should be taken only on a tractor or a lorry.
4) Persons should not walk behind the idol in procession.
5) Only ten persons can go with the idol in a lorry and only five persons will be allowed if the idol is taken in a tractor.</b>
<b>6) Clay idols alone will be allowed to be taken in the procession. Vinayaka idols made of plaster of Paris will not be allowed.</b>
<b>7) No one should use firecrackers during the procession.
8) None should take with him colour powders or fireballs.</b>
9) Loud speakers should not be used.
10)The procession should conform to existing traffic rules and should keep to the left.
<b>11)Musical instruments should not be taken and made use of during the procession.</b>
12) The organizers should issue identity cards to those participating in the procession.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[right][snapback]55258[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Mudy, this is going to be very difficult for many Tamil families, a veritable blow to our faces. We love making Ganapathis from plaster and carrying Him around everywhere. On Vinayaka Chathurthi there are hundreds of Him in each major street. It's a wonderful time, with loud, happy people everywhere.
What the DMK, backed by its ChristoIslamist supporters are doing, reminds me of the initial stages of the Goa Inquisition, where Hindu expressions were banned:
Details of the Goa Inquisition - Christian historian, Dr. T. R. de Souza
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Prohibitions Regarding Marriages</b>
<i>-The instruments for Hindu songs shall not be played.</i>
-While giving dowry the relatives of the bride and groom must not be invited.
-At the time of marriage, betel leaf packages (pan) must not be distributed either publicly or in private to the persons present.
-Flowers, or fried puris, betel nuts and leaves must not be sent to the heads of the houses of the bride or groom.
-Gotraj ceremony of family God must not be performed.
-On the day prior to a wedding, rice must not be husked, spices must not be pounded, grains must not be ground and other recipes for marriage feast must not be cooked.
-Pandals and festoons must not be used.
-Pithi should not be applied.
-The bride must not be accorded ceremonial welcome. The bride and groom must not -be made to sit under pandal to convey blessings and best wishes to them.
<b>Prohibitions Regarding Fasts, Post-death Rituals</b>
-The poor must not be fed or ceremonial meals must not be served for the peace of the souls of the dead.
-There should be no fasting on ekadashi day.
-Fasting can be done according to the Christian principles.
-No rituals should be performed on the twelfth day after death, on moonless and full moon dates.
-No fasting should be done during lunar eclipse.
<b>Conventions</b>
-Hindu men should not wear dhoti either in public or in their houses. Women should not wear cholis .
-They should not plant Tulsi in their houses, compounds, gardens or any other place.
-Following the law of 1567, orphans were kidnapped for converting them to Christianity.
On September 22, 1570 an order was issued that :
-The Hindus embracing Christianity will be exempted from land taxes for a period of 15 years.
-Nobody shall bear Hindu names or surnames.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ChristoIslamism wants to push itself onto Hindu India. And with a devout Christo leader like Sonia in power - who, like the erstwhile Portuguese zealots, obeys the pope in all matters including his conversion plans for Asia - they've got their job made easy. They're starting it by turning the times of Hindu celebration and expression of devotion into dreary occasions (what else do these bans on musical instruments, sound, congregation of people mean?)
When in Madurai, I have to contend with those nasty Islamic calls for prayer from their minarets - <i>several</i> times each day. And it's exactly near the Meenakshi temple where Islamists have in recent times built a mosque. Of course p-secs, communists and ChristoIslamists don't object to their odious daily noise - it's only Hindu festivals that need to be curtailed.
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-12-2006
Husky
Hmm , i though that 99% of indian politicians are hindus.How they favorise christianity in this case? A hindu being against his own religion? Hard to belive.
If the hindu politicians was christians they wasnt be vote at the ellection .The hindu majority it vote only hindus politicians so how they can be christians.
Anyway what is the reason for this hindu politicians to suport christianity?
Im agree whit the point 7,that one whit fire-crakers.They pollute the air .Sorry .An ecologist like me. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Is Pope really try to convert Asia? How then he allow yoga classes in monasteries and kisses ,allow pagan rituals of amerindian,african aborigenal in churches and kiss all day whit representants of all religions.See the movie on my posts on missionary role in India,and the link to catholicism and yoga.
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-12-2006
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->If the hindu politicians was christians they wasnt be vote at the ellection .The hindu majority it vote only hindus politicians so how they can be christians.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->About 5 states in India have Christian chief ministers. Including Andhra Pradesh's CM Samuel Reddy. He's an evangelical psycho who wants to destroy one of the main temples there. You live in Romania, there's no way you can know all this.
Other Indian politicians are pseudo-secularists. They think secularism means 'protecting only the minorities' - that is, minority rights overrule majority rights - they don't believe in equal rights. Many of them have marxist leanings too.
Tamil Nadu's DMK party (D stands for Dravidian, hence they believe or want Tamils to believe in 'Aryans' invading and oppressing 'Dravidians', and that Hinduism is an 'Aryan' invention) hates Hinduism and regularly works with anti-Hindu organisations like Christo missions and Islamic jihadis.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyway what is the reason for this hindu politicians to suport christianity?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The money from US missions is massive. Corrupt politicians care nothing for India. Have you never heard of the expression 'money makes the world go round'? Many missionaries on tourist visas are allowed in anyway, because silence can be bought.
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Sins of the Missionaries by Stephen Welch<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->During his 1998 visit to India, for example, Pope John Paul II bluntly stated that the Christianization of Asia is "an absolute priority" for the Catholic Church in the new millennium. He openly likened the Vatican agenda for that region to its conquest of the Americas in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->How then he [pope] allow yoga classes in monasteries and kisses ,allow pagan rituals of amerindian,african aborigenal in churches and kiss all day whit representants of all religions.See the movie on my posts on missionary role in India,and the link to catholicism and yoga.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In Indian monasteries, the pope allows for Yoga, vegetarianism and other distinctly Hindu practises only because of <b>inculturation</b>. You're Romanian, so I'm guessing you're Orthodox Christian. You should know the word <i>Uniate</i>. Orthodox Greece suffers from Uniates - the form of inculturation that Catholicism practises in Orthodox countries (Greek Catholic Church performs rituals in Orthodox Christian manner, not in the Catholic manner done around the world and in neighbouring Italy). In India, the Church inculturates through the adoption of Hindu external forms. Of course, it still proclaims the same intolerant Christian message.
Although the pope allows Yoga in Christian monasteries in India, he and his Church speak out strictly against it in the west. http://www.dotm.org/decelles-1.htm shows how the Catholic Church has warned its flock in the west against eastern practises:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Last December the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of' the Faith warned about the dangers of blending Christian prayer and Eastern methods of meditation (e.g., Zen, Transcendental Meditation and yoga). ... Early in the document the author, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, describes how the church Fathers combated early "errors" that affected the way Christians thought about prayer. He says, "Such erroneous forms, having reappeared in history from time to time on the fingers of the church's prayer, seem once more [today] to impress many Christians, appealing to them as a kind of remedy, be it psychological or spiritual, or as a quick way of finding God."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of couse, the pope 'allows' pagan rituals amongst Christianised peoples of Americas and Africa - after having murdered them in previous centuries for their pagan rituals, the Catholic Church has realised that the reviving Old Traditions could turn new generations of conquered peoples away from the Church for good. Especially considering the Church's historic record of treating them abysmally. Catholicism has realised it better bend or break. That's why the Church has temporarily learnt to live with it: better even a heretic flock than no flock at all.
And most of the Catholic Church's flock, whether it likes it or not, resides in S America and Africa. To lose them would mean to lose everything - Europe was only partly Catholic historically (E Europe was Orthodox), and even that was cut down to a smaller size by Protestantism. And with today's loss of Christians to freethinking and agnosticism in Europe, all the Church has is the 'developing world'. The only place where it can press upon people that it is teaching truths, when the rest of the world already knows how patently false much of the bible is, how most of Christian theology was voted upon and how the gospels were assembled. Also S America and Africa do not know that Orthodoxy is closer to the early form of Christianity and that Catholicism is a fraud (the pope is not even recognised as any authority in Greece, for instance).
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-14-2006
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--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> Excerpts from Sharad Pawar's Walk the Talk w/ Shekhar Gupta on NDTV and Indian Express:⢠The other thing thatâs happening now is that the role of the chief minister, the role of the state government, is becoming very important in India. The partyâs future depends on how well itâs doing in the states, thatâs where it draws its strength from, isnât it?
Exactly. You see, till a particular time after Mrs Gandhi, Indira Gandhiâs, days, the union government and union centre leadership was ultimately managing the show of the country. Today it is the union of states. And union of states will ultimately decide the future of this country. I am watching this type of situation in neighbouring state
⢠In Gujarat?
Yes. I saw that the government is trying its level best to aggressively concentrate on development. Take the case of Narmada, the whole countryâs media was writing like this...
⢠...Except The Indian Express...
...Yes, I have to accept that (laughs). And all NGOs and everybody was abusing the Gujarat government. But if you go to Ahmedabad, anywhere in Gujarat, people are extremely happy. They say, here is a leader who fought for us and who ultimately succeeded.
⢠Because heâs running a good government. Which is tough to admit...
(Laughs). People of Saurashtra want water. Today for agriculture every villager wants water and the chief minister is fighting for this. Ultimately he got support from Congress also, from the state. I donât know whether he got support from outside Congress, but our party supported. People like this.
⢠Heâs willing to take tough political decisions in the interest of development?
Whosoever is willing to take tough political decisions in the interest of development, the interest of state, and his own people, might face some initial reaction but ultimately people accept this.
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-17-2006
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The Pioneer Edit Desk
<b>Congress won't agree to Telangana</b>
Telangana Rashtra Samiti president and Union Labour Minister K Chandrasekhara Rao, if his sabre-rattling on Tuesday is to be taken seriously, is an extremely angry man whose patience is running low. But must we take his bluster at face value? Ever since he mobilised support for his party, which contested the 2004 Lok Sabha election and Andhra Pradesh Assembly poll as an ally of the Congress, by promising to deliver Telangana in the near future, he has been periodically threatening the UPA Government with dire consequences. On its part, the Congress has chosen to remain silent, while the Left, which props up the UPA regime at the Centre, has categorically rejected the idea of bifurcating Andhra Pradesh to create Telangana. The unstated position of the Congress is obvious: Since there is lack of unanimity on the issue, it would rather leave it alone than risk the Left's ire. In any event, it is doubtful whether the Congress at any stage has been truly committed to the creation of Telangana, or any other small State, for that matter, by bifurcating large States to ensure good governance and better delivery. In order to cut a deal with the Telangana Rashtra Samiti and thus secure an edge over the TDP-BJP combine, it went along with Mr Rao's agenda, only to dump it after coming to power in Hyderabad and Delhi. The party believes that it has returned Mr Rao's favour by making him a Union Minister with an important portfolio, and that he should remain content with the sop. There is a problem, though, that Mr Rao and his colleagues face back home among their constituents: They are increasingly being seen as opportunists who are willing to compromise on their electoral promise of creating a separate State - an extremely sensitive issue in the Telangana region where people feel discriminated against - for personal gains. The Telangana Rashtra Samiti's poor performance in local bodies elections is a measure of the disenchantment that has begun to rapidly set in.
Hence Mr Rao's threat of a "final and drastic decision" if the Congress fails to deliver on the electoral agreement it had entered into with the Telangana Rashtra Samiti and his theatrical declaration that if he cannot have his way, he will return to his people "with sword and shield to fight for Telangana". But all his tough-talking is unlikely to impress the Congress; on several occasions over the past two years, he has upped the ante only to quietly drop the issue. If he does mean business this time, then he must walk the talk and quit the Government. Till he does so, Mr Rao should not expect either his constituents or people at large to treat his utterances with any degree of seriousness. Meanwhile, the main Opposition party should actively pursue the case for Telangana and lend unqualified support to a demand that is entirely justified. Ever since 1962, the people of this region have been agitating for a separate State which alone, they believe, can ensure better development. Similar demands for Jharkhand, Uttaranchal and Chhattisgarh have been met; there is no reason why the demand for Telangana should be ignored till, to quote Mr Rao, "the volcano erupts". The BJP, which has actively promoted the idea of smaller States and facilitated the creation of three of them, must now argue the case for Telangana. More important, the BJP must expose the true reason why the Congress and the Left are so cold to the idea of bifurcating Andhra Pradesh: <span style='color:red'>They do not wish to upset the descendants of razakars in Hyderabad.</span>
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State News And Discussion - II - ramana - 08-17-2006
Can anyone explain the part in red in the above post? How does an integrated Andhra Pradesh mean appeaseing the descendents of the razakars?
AP was formed by an agitation to create a copmposite Telugu state. This agitaiton was led by Potti Sriramulu who fasted unto death in 1953. However this demand for a composite state is quite old. In fact Savarkar writes in his letters to his brother circa 1912 about his fear that creating linguistic states could eventually create mini Indias.
The Telugus were divided by the Islamic conquests of Deccan. The Kakatiyas of Warangal were the paramount power and after their defeat by Malik Kafur they were subsequently annexed by the Bahmani ruler Muhammad Shah by taking Golkonda. This constitutes the Telegana region. The Andhra region was under the Rayas of Vijayanagar and developed as such. After the Vijayanagar collapse in early 1600s the state of Mysore was formed. In case of Telegana the Bahmani kigdom split into the Qutab Shahi dynasty based at Golkonda. These were supplanted by the Asf Jahi dynasty also called the Nizams after the defeat of Abul Hasan Tanesha by Aurangazeb. The Andhra region came under the British as part of the Northern Circars and the freedom movment developed there. The razakars who were supporters of the Nizam brutally suppressed the freedom movement in Telengana and had to be evicted under Operation Polo in 1948. The Telengana region was called Hyderabad State. As part of linguistic reorganizatio composite Andhra Pradesh was created in 1956.
So how does this constitute appeasement of razakars?
State News And Discussion - II - Guest - 08-17-2006
Who are against formation of Telegana state?
Smaller states are performing better. There is a big change in Chattigarh after formation. Once ignored region is growing. wrt Indian population density, its better to have smaller manageable states.
Uttaranchal is definitely enjoying not being part of UP.
I want to know, what is the power of descendants of razakars?